2016 Draft Thread Part 4

YouTube · Post #1261 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:35 am

Frank Lee wrote:Whats a Woj Bomb Spoiler ?

Example ? ....since it is an 'auto' suspension LOL

Well we have been doing this for the past few years, and if you have been here for the draft, then you know that Woj leaks the picks before they are announced on TV. Therefor we have 1 thread for those that are watching live and dont want the picks to be spoiled, then a Woj Bomb draft thread for the ones that dont care, as people will be posting his twitter spoilers in that one.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1262 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 am

Tyrus Thomas comps are scaring me...

Waylay13 · Post #1263 » by **Waylay13** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:33 am

Well I think we have all talked #4 and #13 to death but with the other two picks that the Suns do you think that the Suns will surprise us with someone here. A name that I havent seen much before that I can see the Suns picking up is Patrick McCaw and work to turn him into a 3D small forward. Who else might surprise the fans with late picks?

sunsbg · Post #1264 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:46 am

It's quite safe to assume Chriss will develop into a Markieff Morris type of player, which is still quite disappointing with the 4th pick. At this point I hope there is a trade for Okafor. Even if he is not a good fit on the team he will probably bring more value in a future trade.

JoRain · Post #1265 » by **JoRain** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:17 pm

sunsbg wrote:It's quite safe to assume Chriss will develop into a Markieff Morris type of player, which is still quite disappointing with the 4th pick. At this point I hope there is a trade for Okafor. Even if he is not a good fit on the team he will probably bring more value in a future trade.

Safe to assume? where do you get that? There's nothing safe about Chriss - not a word you can attribute to him. Also they're kind of a different type of players. All in all - say what you will about Markieff, but after all he's a decent to good NBA power forward, while there's a big risk Chriss will never reach even that kind of an on court value. There's quite a big chance that Chriss will never be as good as Markieff even.

sunsbg · Post #1266 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:38 pm

JoRain wrote:
sunsbg wrote:It's quite safe to assume Chriss will develop into a Markieff Morris type of player, which is still quite disappointing with the 4th pick. At this point I hope there is a trade for Okafor. Even if he is not a good fit on the team he will probably bring more value in a future trade.

Safe to assume? where do you get that? There's nothing safe about Chriss - not a word you can attribute to him. Also they're kind of a different type of players. All in all - say what you will about Markieff, but after all he's a decent to good NBA power forward, while there's a big risk Chriss will never reach even that kind of an on court value. There's quite a big chance that Chriss will never be as good as Markieff even.

My assumption is based on the fact that the rumors that he is our pick are actually true. I somewhat trust McD's talent evaluation and if he drafts Chriss that early I will expect him to become nothing less than Markieff. But I don't see that big of an upgrade over him too.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1267 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:54 pm

If McDonough selects Bender or Chriss it will be the first time out of about 40 players acquired, that it has been predicted.

For that reason, I'm expecting a spanner in the works, it's a complete myth that GMs pick for position in the top 5, yet that's what mocks are based on.

darealjuice · Post #1268 » by **darealjuice** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:59 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If McDonough selects Bender or Chriss it will be the first time out of about 40 players acquired, that it has been predicted.

For that reason, I'm expecting a spanner in the works, it's a complete myth that GMs pick for position in the top 5, yet that's what mocks are based on.

I'm confused, what are you implying?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1269 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:00 pm

That nobody has predicted a McDonough acquisition out of about 40 players over 3 years, so it would seem unlikely tonight.

Combined with those predictions just happen to be PF needs based, and GMs just don't select for need in the top 5 of the draft.

RaisingArizona · Post #1270 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:01 pm

darealjuice wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If McDonough selects Bender or Chriss it will be the first time out of about 40 players acquired, that it has been predicted.

For that reason, I'm expecting a spanner in the works, it's a complete myth that GMs pick for position in the top 5, yet that's what mocks are based on.

I'm confused, what are you implying?

He's saying Hield will be the pick.

sunsbg · Post #1271 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:03 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If McDonough selects Bender or Chriss it will be the first time out of about 40 players acquired, that it has been predicted.

For that reason, I'm expecting a spanner in the works, it's a complete myth that GMs pick for position in the top 5, yet that's what mocks are based on.

It will be refreshing to have an interesting draft night after such boring season and uninspiring draft campaign.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1272 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:03 pm

I don't think Hield is in our top 4.

darealjuice · Post #1273 » by **darealjuice** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:04 pm

That's not even true, I saw mocks last year with us having Booker and 2 years ago with Warren.

I also don't think they're as need based as you're making it seem. As has been said many times, this isn't about drafting the player who's the best player now it's who's going to be the best player over their career.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1274 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:06 pm

I think our plan A is to trade pick 4 for a PF.

If we want a PF to be better than Markieff Morris before 2020, then that route makes more sense.

darealjuice · Post #1275 » by **darealjuice** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:12 pm

I gotta say I disagree. I can't tell if you're overrating Markieff, or underrating the draft class.

JMac1 · Post #1276 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:16 pm

Krush32 wrote:I think we take Heild tomorrow. Hopefully knight gets flipped for a veteran PF and we take another pf in the draft.

4)Heild
4b)Bender
4c)Murray

13a)Sabonis
13b)Valentine
13c)Korkmaz

28a)Bentil
28b)Bembry
28c)Luwawawouwa
28d)diallo
28e)maker

34a)brogdon
34b)bolomboy
34c)payton

Why do you think we are going to take Hield?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1277 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:16 pm

Will Bender or Chriss be a 18 / 8 player (per 36) by 21?

JMac1 · Post #1278 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:24 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Tyrus Thomas comps are scaring me...

Like the Amare/McDyess comps :wink:

darealjuice · Post #1279 » by **darealjuice** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:25 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Will Bender or Chriss be a 18 / 8 player (per 36) by 21?

They certainly could be, but obviously there's no guarantees. Why couldn't they? That's 2 more years of coaching and experience on the 2 players with arguably the highest ceilings outside of the top 2 picks, and bum ass Markieff was able to do it.

JMac1 · Post #1280 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:29 pm

Don't forget the Bledsoe tweet. We might go Hield and sign Barnes. That's not a bad team, especially when you throw in all of the unknowns of the players. You know exactly what you are getting in Hield, a "one trick pony" that has one helluva trick.

Who do you most want at 4?