The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[garrick]

Read on Twitter

Open season on KD!

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

[BobbieL]

I wouldn’t play Beal for nothing. He doesn’t fit any timeline, clogs up the roster, and doesn’t give a shttt. He’s so used to losing that all he is is a paycheck casher. Sadly, a mentor for Book? Play him and Brittle Brad will be injured within 10 games and then we are completely stuck with him. Keep the options open. And keep him away. He is not a difference maker.

One maneuver that hasn’t been mentioned much is after Sept 30 (I think) they are committed to his deal … then you can waive and stretch the remaining 57 mil or what ever it is. No buy out needed. Just get rid of the dude.

We really have to get and stay under that second apron…. Somehow. Else all the fantastical trades cannot be done.

Any which way it goes, Beal is just another impulsive behavior penalty incurred by ‘I didn’t do it’ Ishbia.

So you are saying after 9/30’of this year of 2026.. they can waive him?

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Open season on KD!

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

[starbosa10]

I wouldn’t play Beal for nothing. He doesn’t fit any timeline, clogs up the roster, and doesn’t give a shttt. He’s so used to losing that all he is is a paycheck casher. Sadly, a mentor for Book? Play him and Brittle Brad will be injured within 10 games and then we are completely stuck with him. Keep the options open. And keep him away. He is not a difference maker.

One maneuver that hasn’t been mentioned much is after Sept 30 (I think) they are committed to his deal … then you can waive and stretch the remaining 57 mil or what ever it is. No buy out needed. Just get rid of the dude.

We really have to get and stay under that second apron…. Somehow. Else all the fantastical trades cannot be done.

Any which way it goes, Beal is just another impulsive behavior penalty incurred by ‘I didn’t do it’ Ishbia.

So you are saying after 9/30’of this year of 2026.. they can waive him?

I just don't see the point of hitting our cap with dead money for so many extra years which is what would happen if we waive and stretch him (if we even can, idk if its an option since we also did it with little)

[starbosa10]

Open season on KD!

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

idk how accurate it is but OG/Robinson/Kolek for KD fails the apron salary match rules on the spotrac trade machine ( by like $7k so might just be an inaccuracy on their end)

[dremill24]

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

idk how accurate it is but OG/Robinson/Kolek for KD fails the apron salary match rules on the spotrac trade machine ( by like $7k so might just be an inaccuracy on their end)

Obviously everything depends on the accuracy of the salaries but PHX/NY are both apron teams so even a $7k difference would not work. At least one other team would be needed to help facilitate, which of course complicates it since they'd likely be looking for compensation, which both teams have little to satisfy.

[starbosa10]

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

idk how accurate it is but OG/Robinson/Kolek for KD fails the apron salary match rules on the spotrac trade machine ( by like $7k so might just be an inaccuracy on their end)

Obviously everything depends on the accuracy of the salaries but PHX/NY are both apron teams so even a $7k difference would not work. At least one other team would be needed to help facilitate, which of course complicates it since they'd likely be looking for compensation, which both teams have little to satisfy.

Yeah completely agree, just such a fine margin that it could be spotrac being off very slightly on any of the 4 guys involved. Don't think kd ends up in NY anyway

[Calvin Klein]

Personally, I don't care about Ishbia's wallet. I think the best thing to do with him is keep and have him be an expiring

I just meant that if Ishbia were able to stretch Beal - he would save so much money in lux tax payments - which is I think his goal.

From a long term basketball perspective - I think Beals expiring has much more value than whatever they get this year, in terms of helping the roster

I might have not expressed myself correctly, but I was agreeing with you.

Ok, relax!

[Frank Lee]

I wouldn’t play Beal for nothing. He doesn’t fit any timeline, clogs up the roster, and doesn’t give a shttt. He’s so used to losing that all he is is a paycheck casher. Sadly, a mentor for Book? Play him and Brittle Brad will be injured within 10 games and then we are completely stuck with him. Keep the options open. And keep him away. He is not a difference maker.

One maneuver that hasn’t been mentioned much is after Sept 30 (I think) they are committed to his deal … then you can waive and stretch the remaining 57 mil or what ever it is. No buy out needed. Just get rid of the dude.

We really have to get and stay under that second apron…. Somehow. Else all the fantastical trades cannot be done.

Any which way it goes, Beal is just another impulsive behavior penalty incurred by ‘I didn’t do it’ Ishbia.

So you are saying after 9/30’of this year of 2026.. they can waive him?

I read it one time … don’t remember which rumor mongering clickbaiter posted it. Think it might be 9/3…IDK….a lot of predictions/possibilities based on inaccurate info has been floated regarding the CBA. I don’t think Beal is a profitable topic. Very few give a shttt

Hope the Suns capoligist is a good one. It is a viable option yet we see no mention of it from Phnx… likely because it would completely destroy what sliver of a chance there is to trade him. Plus, they really shouldn’t say shtt anyway. The one bright spot is the inside trader info Wishbia has with the Bartlesteins.

But you put Beal on this roster opening day… he has no incentive to leave. Shelf him and he will eventually accept a buy out. Else just retire.

I get the queazy’s thinking how after all this wishful chatter here, that both he and KD return. One step closer to setting this crooked NBA aside. Shtt, being a Suns-er, it’s just a gambling tool as is. At least if we had an influx of young guys, we could ride on false hope. Junkies gotta get their smack somehow.

[BurningHeart]

Imagine thinking it's a good idea on the Knicks behalf to trade pieces from a team they've carefully assembled and finally after like 25 years experiencing actual success with to import that **** cancerous team-ruining documented drama queen loser Kevin Durant.

Like, lol.

[Frank Lee]

Kind of sounds familiar Burn

[Rebound Mound]

I understand we are basically repeating the same ideas and options over and over again, as no real news are on display. Until the Finals end, or the draft comes, there will not be any different situations. Behind the scenes, I guess we have to be working on the phones with half the league.

In my opinion, there are two options:

- if we are able to trade Beal, then we could choose a more typical path and trade KD for Jabari+other players/assets. so we can assemble a starting five with a PG+Booker+SF+Jabari+C, then Gillespie+Allen+Dunn+Bol+Richards/whoever.

- if we are unable to move Beal or the return is scarce, then I would go the Toronto way and will try to get Ingram, because he can play the Point Forward position and offer different options, so we really could play without a PG when Booker-Beal-Ingram are on the court together. Then we would need a PF and/or a C who can shoot from 3 regularly.

[Saberestar]

Sam Venice on what a Raptors/Suns trade would look like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/17tSmi5Vji

[KdoubleDees23]

Open season on KD!

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

You talking bad about KAT but mention Kolek. Kolek is doo doo. Guy is not an NBA player. Give me OG and Robinson plus a couple future picks and call it a day.

[KdoubleDees23]

Sam Venice on what a Raptors/Suns trade would look like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/17tSmi5Vji

KD doesn't want to go to the Northern Syrup State. He is sticking to the teams he wants. He won't go to Toronto so stop this nonsense

[KdoubleDees23]

Imagine thinking it's a good idea on the Knicks behalf to trade pieces from a team they've carefully assembled and finally after like 25 years experiencing actual success with to import that **** cancerous team-ruining documented drama queen loser Kevin Durant.

Like, lol.

Well they just fired their coach who got them to that level. So yes, I believe they will think this is a good idea. Teams panic when they taste the ECF and fail.

[BobbieL]

That's better for us but the teams that really need KD ( Wolves,NY, Denver) realistically don't have the assets we want nor do they have an abundance of picks that they can give us.

Here's another scenario that probably won't happen and that is let KD play with us next year and don't extend him if the returning assets are pure garbage and that way we have a massive 50M coming off the books in 2026-2027.

I think that should get us under the 2nd and even 1st apron (maybe) and then we could see if there are any free agents available we can throw money at?

I think the Knicks can give a decent package - if it includes OG and Kolek … to pair with Booker. Robinson too. That might be better than the large expiring in 2026

You talking bad about KAT but mention Kolek. Kolek is doo doo. Guy is not an NBA player. Give me OG and Robinson plus a couple future picks and call it a day.

I was just trying to add a PG depth for cheap
And when I ran this through one of the trade machines - it worked --- but the other poster is saying I am off by $7k.

[BobbieL]

I wouldn’t play Beal for nothing. He doesn’t fit any timeline, clogs up the roster, and doesn’t give a shttt. He’s so used to losing that all he is is a paycheck casher. Sadly, a mentor for Book? Play him and Brittle Brad will be injured within 10 games and then we are completely stuck with him. Keep the options open. And keep him away. He is not a difference maker.

One maneuver that hasn’t been mentioned much is after Sept 30 (I think) they are committed to his deal … then you can waive and stretch the remaining 57 mil or what ever it is. No buy out needed. Just get rid of the dude.

We really have to get and stay under that second apron…. Somehow. Else all the fantastical trades cannot be done.

Any which way it goes, Beal is just another impulsive behavior penalty incurred by ‘I didn’t do it’ Ishbia.

So you are saying after 9/30’of this year of 2026.. they can waive him?

I just don't see the point of hitting our cap with dead money for so many extra years which is what would happen if we waive and stretch him (if we even can, idk if its an option since we also did it with little)

I think Isbhia would save a boat load of cash -- thats the rationale. I want to think its like $100m per year.

I think the media and podcasters like to frame it that they will be able to use the MLE.... I read on twitter that if he is able to stretch Beal, it could be worth up to $200m. And I get its, twitter so it may not be right but 25m x 4 is $100. And if he goes from say 53 to 19 - that might be put under the apron enough to get that benefit. I think for Mat this is a cash flow thing - not a "build the best basketball thing"

[Saberestar]

Sam Venice on what a Raptors/Suns trade would look like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/17tSmi5Vji

KD doesn't want to go to the Northern Syrup State. He is sticking to the teams he wants. He won't go to Toronto so stop this nonsense

You don't know where he wants to play or doesn't want to play so there is that.

The Raptors are interested in him and the rumor around the league is that they would trade for him even for only one year.

[BobbieL]

Sam Venice on what a Raptors/Suns trade would look like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/17tSmi5Vji

KD doesn't want to go to the Northern Syrup State. He is sticking to the teams he wants. He won't go to Toronto so stop this nonsense

You don't know where he wants to play or doesn't want to play so there is that.

The Raptors are interested in him and the rumor around the league is that they would trade for him even for only one year.

If Toronto helps drive the price up - -talk to them