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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1281 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Wed Jun 5, 2013 7:41 pm

Sreister wrote:
TruthTelling wrote:we won't trade down

If anything we will trade up, or get another lottery pick but we wont trade down!!!


This is the perfect draft TO trade down. If we don't have the chance to get VO or McL I don't see any reason to just settle for the next BPA if we can turn the 5 into two or more assets. In a weak but deep draft, we need to look into it.


This is the key. If Oladipo, McLemore, or Noel are not on the board when it's our turn to pick I wouldn't be that upset at trading down. I wouldn't hate picking Bennet but I also wouldn't mind moving down and picking up Zeller instead or even Adams and picking up Williams as well.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1282 » by ShawnBronald » Wed Jun 5, 2013 7:45 pm

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TruthTelling wrote:we won't trade down

If anything we will trade up, or get another lottery pick but we wont trade down!!!


Why are you so sure? The way I look at it is that McD is going to be in asset collection mode this year. If they work out Shabazz, and he compares well to McL PLUS they can pick up Williams why wouldn't they do it? I know that Williams hasn't been the best the last two years, and Shabazz's stock has taken a huge hit, but these two guys have the talent to be talked about as #1 pick at some point in their careers.

If you have a coach and a program in place that you think will get the best from them, why not double down and swing for the fences?


We don't need Williams.... we already have (or had, perhaps) Michael Beasley and Wesley Johnson. No need to do that again. :lol:
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1283 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 5, 2013 7:57 pm

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Zeller is small, they probably want to see how all of these guys handle playing against that size.


Zeller=small? Bennett is small? But Gobert is big? You have size in length, height, and girth..... Zeller is not small. He may be a little light in the ass compared to some, but he is not small.



Zeller has a shorter standing reach than Markieff Morris who is small, so yes Zeller is small..


:lol: So is Joakim Noah small, because his standing reach is .5 inches longer than Zeller? Man you never cease to amaze me with your comments.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1284 » by TruthTelling » Wed Jun 5, 2013 8:46 pm

Noah also has 3" wingspan on Zeller
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1285 » by rsavaj » Wed Jun 5, 2013 8:48 pm

From Bright Side:

"After the workout McDonough commented on the workout and his comments indicate that McLemore and Oladipo are about neck-and-neck on his rankings. He did not delve into detail, but his comments on the two seem to be that he is very high on both and does not favor one over the other."
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1286 » by b-ball forever » Wed Jun 5, 2013 9:27 pm

Good to know that McDonut and me are pretty much on the same page then. I'd take McLemore first if he's still there tho. Looks like he isn't that high on Bennett either.
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Post#1287 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 5, 2013 9:29 pm

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If that workout was on PPV I'd order it. Any details on who stood out?
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1288 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 5, 2013 9:53 pm

b-ball forever wrote:Good to know that McDonut and me are pretty much on the same page then. I'd take McLemore first if he's still there tho. Looks like he isn't that high on Bennett either.


Not so. You can only bring in 6 guys per day, and Bennett is injured, do there really is no rush to bring him in right away.

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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1289 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 5, 2013 10:13 pm

TruthTelling wrote:Noah also has 3" wingspan on Zeller


AND? :lol: Dude let it go!!! Bennett wingspan is 7'1 and you said he was too small too, make up your mind. :lol:

And Zeller is .5 inches taller than Noah!
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Post#1290 » by Revived » Wed Jun 5, 2013 10:17 pm

I really wish Bennett would come in just to do measurements and such. I want to know his actual height as of right now.
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Post#1291 » by Krush32 » Wed Jun 5, 2013 10:30 pm

I just want to know how sharp his elbows are.
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Post#1292 » by Years90Suns » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:01 pm

Here in Spain we believe that selecting Burke would be the best possible choice. If not, Oladipo. But Bennet, Zeller, etc are obviously not going to be stars, even nor role players. May be Bennet could be a great PF IF he does not come down with injuries very oftenly.
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Post#1293 » by Revived » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:16 pm

I wanna hear McD's thoughts on McCollum after CJ works out in PHX.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1294 » by rsavaj » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:31 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i81-C2QWfOk[/youtube]

These guys look tired. Looks like it was a solid workout.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1295 » by BurningHeart » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:37 pm

Love how Oladipo comes across.

He should be the guy.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1296 » by jcsunsfan » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:04 am

Sreister wrote:
TruthTelling wrote:we won't trade down

If anything we will trade up, or get another lottery pick but we wont trade down!!!


This is the perfect draft TO trade down. If we don't have the chance to get VO or McL I don't see any reason to just settle for the next BPA if we can turn the 5 into two or more assets. In a weak but deep draft, we need to look into it.

I really hate how people seem to KNOW what we're going to do. :roll: This is complete speculation on our part, and a discussion as to what we THINK will happen, or what we WISH would happen. Unless people here have inside information, no one knows any more than anyone else around here.


Trading down in the NBA usually makes little sense. Multiple lesser players are not nearly as good as one better player. The only time it makes sense if you are getting a veteran player, who is the primary target, the lower pick just evens out the trade.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1297 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:10 am

Perfect scenario would be to trade Gortat for the #10 pick and draft both of these guys.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1298 » by PHX Maniak » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:17 am

Yeah although I'm not as high on him as most I really think that Oladipo is quite well spoken. It's something I really appreciate in a player. Nice to see the good chemistry he has with Zeller as well.

During his day 2 interview with the Suns McD said he had taken out McLemore for dinner (not sure if it was just those two, haha). Really hope that he ends up a Sun.

I was going to embed a bunch of interviews but just check out the suns youtube channel instead. http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSunsVideos Quite a few more just got posted about an hour ago.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1299 » by rsavaj » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:20 am

DarkHawk wrote:Perfect scenario would be to trade Gortat for the #10 pick and draft both of these guys.


Yeah, I really like the idea of bringing on Oladipo/Zeller as teammates. Gortat/Tucker for Freeland/10 would be ideal, but a lot of PDX fans don't want to give up a lotto pick for a 30 year old who could be a 1 year rental.

Bazz's interview:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgXmPJlCBac[/youtube]

Good Chad Ford piece on Bazz: http://detroitpistonsforum.com/forums/1 ... t3666.html

Looks like he's put the character concerns to rest:

Those issues go to character and virtually every NBA scout and GM I spoke with doesn't seem overly concerned. Muhammad did what he had to do in his interviews and teams came away with the impression that Muhammad wasn't going to be a problem in the locker room or off the court.


That showed in his review of Muhammad's vertical jump (motion analysis). While Muhammad is a slightly above-average leaper for his position (he measured with a 37-inch max vertical jump at the predraft camp), what stands out in the P3 data is how quickly Muhammad gets off the floor. He's a fast leaper; in fact he's the fastest wing they've tested at P3 in a sub max jump to 10-feet-6. His quick explosion off the floor, combined with an extraordinary wingspan, explains while he was one of the top wing offensive rebounders in the country last year.

"The NBA only measured how high a player gets," Elliott said. "But if you watch basketball you know that only tells a small part of the story. Vertical quickness is a bigger part of the game than pure vertical jump height. We would take fast to 11-6 over slow to 12-6 any day. For a player like Muhammad, you'd rather have him be a fast jumper than have him jump an extra few inches."

Muhammad also generates significant force in his various vertical movements and fairly large forces in horizontal planes. Again, he showed up as significantly more powerful than the average wing player at his position -- something Muhammad uses to his advantage when scoring the basketball.

Where Muhammad needs work is on his lateral quickness. While he still shows a lot of power, his relative lack of hip and ankle mobility mean that the force he generates tends to project vertically instead of horizontally. Elliott showed me computer graphs of both his horizontal and vertical force and walked me through how P3 was getting Muhammad to change his technique so that he could explode the same way laterally that he does vertically.
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Overall P3's data-driven approach was one of the most thorough I've seen and went a long way in alleviating fears I had about Muhammad's athleticism. Is he an elite athlete? No. But there's more than enough there to make him an above-average athlete at his position and his reactivity and explosion should be among the best at his position.
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Hanlen has been tweaking Muhammad's shot, pushing him to work on his right-hand dribbling and teaching him a number of moves that players like Harden use to get their shot off in the NBA.

What I saw was a work in progress. Muhammad still is getting used to the new motion. When he opened up his hips and got the right follow-through, he was almost perfect shooting the ball. However, at times he's still reverting back to his old form at UCLA, which led to inconsistent results. He's only been in the program a month. These things take time and GMs generally believe that a jump shot is one thing you can fix.

What was more impressive was Hanlen's use of a number of Harden hesitation dribbles and step-backs to help Muhammad create separation in order to get his jump shot off. While Muhammad still doesn't totally look comfortable using his right hand, Hanlen is bringing him along slowly using two to three dribble jabs with his right to get him open.

The biggest thing that stood out during the workout was Muhammad's energy. He was relentless for the full 45 minutes. He brings a great work ethic to the table, and Hanlen was pushing him at a pretty insane pace. At the end, Muhammad was huffing and puffing, but he was still able to dunk and hit his jumpers.

If teams believe that with a little effort, Muhammad will be able to transform his game, he might have gone from being the most overrated player in the draft to the most underrated.

With his motor, toughness and natural aggression scoring the ball, Muhammad has the potential to be one of the best, if not the best scorer in a draft devoid of talented scorers. The question is, when will a team take a chance on him?



He really seems like he'd be best suited as the main microwave off the bench, similar to Mayo's role in Memphis, or even like the way we used our old friend Barbosa. He would definitely give the bench a scoring punch that this team desperately needs, especially since Kendall doesn't look like he's going to be getting time with the starters any time soon. Kendall would look better with a scorer next to him.

I wouldn't mind taking him late in the lottery if you could get that Mavericks pick(13) by taking on Marion's salary or something(this assumes you stretch Beas, waive Brown/Haddadi/Garrett). If you did that + the Tat trade, you'd be armed with 5/10/13. Take the BPA at each spot. At 5, it would be Oladipo(assuming Noel/Porter/McLemore are gone). 10 and 13 are much harder to project. Maybe you end up with Oladipo, Zeller, Shabazz.

Dragic/Marshall
Oladipo/Shabazz
Dudley/Marcus
Scola/Markieff
Frye/Zeller

Fill in holes with #30(Ledo, Goodwin, Rice Jr, Snell, or maybe you stash a guy like Giannis if available), #57(Solomon Hill?). Marion would most likely ask for a buyout or a trade to a contender; maybe you can trade him for a future pick.

We'll see what McDonough can pull off.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1300 » by PHX Maniak » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:23 am

When will we see snippets of these workouts? Media gets to tape like the last 5 minutes correct?

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