2014 Official FA Thread

Cutter · Post #1281 » by **Cutter** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:23 am

I posted a twitter link in another thread that showed the Suns with the most available cap space in the league at $37.6 million for 2014-15. If Bosh were to opt out, Suns could offer LeBron and Bosh near max salary, plus surround them with a much deeper, younger team that is better than the supporting cast LeBron/Bosh have in Miami currently. Bosh could start at center until Len develops in a couple of years, then he would move over to PF.

PG: Bledsoe
SG: Dragic
C: Bosh
SF: LeBron
PF: Frye

Bench
Green
Tucker
Morri
Archie
Len

That's a pretty deep bench.

DirtyDez · Post #1282 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:30 am

suns91fan wrote:I would like the Suns to win their first championship in their own unique way, not the "Lebron" way. I like him as a player, but i feel the Suns will just become "another station" in Lebron's career where he is trying to get more rings for himself. Now, if Suns already had couple of championships in their history, i guess it would be fine to get him, and improve that number. But since they don't, i feel that if Suns win their 1st title, it will become vastly overshadowed by Lebron's Xth title. It would be all about him, and not the Suns. Battling 46 years so hard to get the first title, and then getting it by just signing the best player in the league is somewhat cheap...

That's at least how i see it. You can call me crazy now.

It's the other way around. Had we won championships previously it would give us the right to be picky.

bigfoot · Post #1283 » by **bigfoot** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:32 am

Cutter wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
RunSunRun wrote:Time to make an appearance on the insane hopes of getting LeBron/Melo or Love, let's do this!

Yeah according to others I've been insane for the past few months saying Lebron, Bosh, or Melo was an option. Now we are talking about Lebron and Melo.

Let us pray that the Kevin Love trade hype is dead and gone.

Bigfoot, I don't think you are advocating this, but no way should Suns ever sign Melo. Never. Melo's ISO style doesn't fit this teams "team" approach to playing basketball. ISO ball is so 80's-90's.

I disagree. Melo proved he could play a team style when he was in Denver. He was highly assisted and his FG% was much higher until he went and played for D'Antoni in NYC. Put into Horny's system I believe he can return to his old numbers. Check out his shooting and assisted number http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... oca01.html

Sunsdeuce · Post #1284 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:39 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/481640523967791104[/tweet]

Cutter · Post #1285 » by **Cutter** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:48 am

Melo is a high volume chucker (yes chucker!) who has a career 45.5% shooting efficiency. When you have a player that takes 20 shots per game on such average to below average efficiency that team will not win a championship. Period. Melo makes Kevin Love look shy about hogging the ball. Melo's career averages for 3 point shooting are below average at 34.5%...that's just not very good. His 2 point shooting is nothing to brag about at 47.6% for his career. His eFG% is not good at all. Suns take roughly 95 shots per game, and having a player like Melo take 1 of every 5 shots at such low efficiency isn't a championship formula.

Melo is good at getting fouled and going to the free throw line. But high volume shooters are always getting fouled because they are always handling and shooting the ball. He is a very good free throw shooter rebounder to his credit.

I cannot imaging McD in any way seriously looking at Melo for this team.

Post #1286 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:52 am

bigfoot wrote:Yeah according to others I've been insane for the past few months saying Lebron, Bosh, or Melo was an option. Now we are talking about Lebron and Melo.

Let us pray that the Kevin Love trade hype is dead and gone.

I don't think it's an less unlikely. I really don't see how Lebron opting out suddenly pushes our chances higher than anyone else who are in the race for Lebron. Whenever a superstar hits the market, teams with cap space will always be linked.

Nando88 · Post #1287 » by **Nando88** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:52 am

Hornacek did wonders for Gerald Green. Maybe he can do the same for Melo

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Cutter · Post #1288 » by **Cutter** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:05 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/481640523967791104[/tweet]

Deuce you do a great job posting these Suns related twitter links. Thanks!

Gorilla Warfare · Post #1289 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:05 am

Melo cannot be saved. He's like Demarcus Cousins, except a ball hog instead of a crybaby.

Cutter · Post #1290 » by **Cutter** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:09 am

Nando88 wrote:Hornacek did wonders for Gerald Green. Maybe he can do the same for Melo

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That's true. Maybe Hornacek could get the same mind-set change and improvement from Melo.

Post #1291 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:10 am

Nando88 wrote:Hornacek did wonders for Gerald Green. Maybe he can do the same for Melo

The difference is Green was never really good at any one thing. Horancek found what his talent is and made him focus on that to get playing time. Melo knows what he's good at and that's getting shots off against anyone. I just find it really hard to see him going away from that and start being a higher volume playmaker (which he can be if he wanted to.)

YouTube · Post #1292 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:10 am

Cutter wrote:Melo is a high volume chucker (yes chucker!) who has a career 45.5% shooting efficiency. When you have a player that takes 20 shots per game on such average to below average efficiency that team will not win a championship. Period. Melo makes Kevin Love look shy about hogging the ball. Melo's career averages for 3 point shooting are below average at 34.5%...that's just not very good. His 2 point shooting is nothing to brag about at 47.6% for his career. His eFG% is not good at all. Suns take roughly 95 shots per game, and having a player like Melo take 1 of every 5 shots at such low efficiency isn't a championship formula.

Melo is good at getting fouled and going to the free throw line. But high volume shooters are always getting fouled because they are always handling and shooting the ball. He is a very good free throw shooter rebounder to his credit.

I cannot imaging McD in any way seriously looking at Melo for this team.

Ever think that Melo HAD to take all those shots as his teammate tended to be s**t? I mean in NY, who else was supposed to take them? Broken Stoudemire? Tyson Chandler? Felton? Do you give JR Smith an even greener light? What about in Denver? What real good teammates did he have that could put the ball in the hoop? Billups? Old ass Iverson? Nene (the few games he wasnt injured) ?

He really hasnt had that good of teammates. He HAD to be the man. They all relied on him.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... blogs&_r=0

DirtyDez · Post #1293 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:13 am

Melo only makes sense if Lebron basically says get him and I'll sign. I think the same is true for Love... The Suns can easily blow away Minnesota if they really wanted to.

If LBJ is not an option then the "patient" route is the way to go...

(btw what is PJ's cap hit?) He'd be a great super team role-player. He's way better than Battier/Lewis/Jones were for Miami.

Post #1294 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:14 am

Gorilla Warfare wrote:Melo cannot be saved. He's like Demarcus Cousins, except a ball hog instead of a crybaby.

Cousins can still be saved. He just needs to be in a veteran team where he is forced to focus on things he does well.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #1295 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:15 am

"Why do you shoot so many threes? Because they don't have fours". I always think of this famous Antoine Walker quote whenever I see Carmelo's name pop up.

phx#7 · Post #1296 » by **phx#7** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:21 am

DirtyDez wrote:(btw what is PJ's cap hit?) He'd be a great super team role-player. He's way better than Battier/Lewis/Jones were for Miami.

Looks like his cap hold would be 1.15mil.

DirtyDez · Post #1297 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:24 am

That's nothing. Bledsoe & Tucker would only limit us around 8m in signing FA's.

Cutter · Post #1298 » by **Cutter** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:24 am

Kerrsed wrote:
Cutter wrote:Melo is a high volume chucker (yes chucker!) who has a career 45.5% shooting efficiency. When you have a player that takes 20 shots per game on such average to below average efficiency that team will not win a championship. Period. Melo makes Kevin Love look shy about hogging the ball. Melo's career averages for 3 point shooting are below average at 34.5%...that's just not very good. His 2 point shooting is nothing to brag about at 47.6% for his career. His eFG% is not good at all. Suns take roughly 95 shots per game, and having a player like Melo take 1 of every 5 shots at such low efficiency isn't a championship formula.

Melo is good at getting fouled and going to the free throw line. But high volume shooters are always getting fouled because they are always handling and shooting the ball. He is a very good free throw shooter rebounder to his credit.

I cannot imaging McD in any way seriously looking at Melo for this team.

Ever think that Melo HAD to take all those shots as his teammate tended to be s**t? I mean in NY, who else was supposed to take them? Broken Stoudemire? Tyson Chandler? Felton? Do you give JR Smith an even greener light? What about in Denver? What real good teammates did he have that could put the ball in the hoop? Billups? Old ass Iverson? Nene (the few games he wasnt injured) ?

He really hasnt had that good of teammates. He HAD to be the man. They all relied on him.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... blogs&_r=0

Good article Kerrsed. Some good points are made, but overall I don't buy what the author is selling. Ball hogs are born, not made. He did the same thing at Syracuse, Denver and NY. He would do the same thing with the Suns.

Now if we got the ultimate basketball alpha male LeBron on this team with Melo, them possibly Melo might change his stripes. Maybe.

YouTube · Post #1299 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:47 am

Some food for thought, if Lebron/Wade/Bosh dont all take a huge paycut, then Miami will be stuck paying the repeater tax this season, which is an absolute killer.

phx#7 · Post #1300 » by **phx#7** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:57 am

DirtyDez wrote:That's nothing. Bledsoe & Tucker would only limit us around 8m in signing FA's.

Yeah, there is no question they retain Tucker's right the question is what type of offers other teams throw at him. If the Suns do strike gold and use all their cap space other teams will be able to structure an offer to him like Lin and Asik which would make it really difficult for the Suns to match.

It's not likely but it is possible.