NavLDO wrote:GoranTragic wrote:NavLDO wrote:
Yes, yes, you are, because you are freaking clueless.
You want to label Len a bust, who's had all of 93 games starting experience--just over a season--and 189 total games played--roughly 2 seasons and some change total game experience. He's a 7'1" 260 lb C/PF, who was coached up by a former Guard, and has little to no idea how to use him properly. Yet are ok with paying $13M per for a 34 YO C who has ZERO range on his shot (77% at the rim, 12.5% from 3-to-10ft, for a total of 90% of his shots taken from within 10 ft), yet Alex, who shot 66.7% (44.3% at Rim/ 22.4% from within 10 ft, yet the other nearly 34% coming from 10ft or greater, as opposed to Chandler's , played over a minute less per game than Chandler, yet scored almost 2 PPG more than Chandler, 1 TRB less/gm, yet had .1 more BLKS/gm than Chandler--so taking all that into consideration, you are ready to give up on our top 5 pick from 3 years ago, who, BTW, after Horny was fired, delivered 14 DBL-DBLs playing an avg 28.8 MPG, avg'd 12.1 PPG, 9.9 TRB,1.8 Asst/gm in 32 gms. Oh yeah, total bust.
And your superstar Chandler? Well, let's see how he started off his career compared to Len. I mean, Tyson was selected 2nd overall in 2001; Len was 5th overall in 2013.
Let's look at their first 3 seasons, shall we?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2004&p1=chandty01&y2=2016&p2=lenal01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
Len started 93 games of 189 played; Chandler started 107 of 181 played. Funny how you mention 'downward trend' when he played in more games, and started more games than either of his 1st two seasons...oops...1st 'myth' debunked'. He scored more PPG and had more TRB/gm last season than he did in either of his 1st two seasons....oops...2nd 'myth' debunked. Yet Chandler had fewer PPG and games played from his 2nd to 3rd season, yet amazingly, he survived his downward trend quite well wouldn't you say?
Yet Tyson outpaced Len in FG%s in his 1st 3 seasons. Well, I should hope so, since as you see below, nearly 60% of his shots were from 3ft in, whereas Len had just over 38% of his FGA from 3ft in. Yet, when we look at FT Attempts, we see that Len had the clear advantage of shooting FTs with a 71.4% clip compared to Chander's 61.8% FT%.
FG Atempts (3ft in/Total):
1st Season -- Len: 37 of 78 vs Chandler's: 202 of 304
2nd Season -- Len: 192 of 353 vs Chandler's: 282 of 484
3rd Season -- Len: 276 of 623 vs Chandler's: 79 of 159
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Total -- Len 405 of 1054 vs Chandler: 563 of 947
38.4% vs 59.5%
Then let's look at TRBs. Chandler, despite playing 297 total more minutes than Len during his 1st 3 seasons, ended up producing 20 total fewer TRBs than Len.
And how about per36 stats. Well, you'll see Len with .1 fewer Assts than Chandler, but again, outrebounding him 11.2 vs 10.1, but alas, with .2 total fewer pts per36, .4 fewer BLKS, though equal numbers of STLs and TOVs.
So, seeing that Len is actually IMPROVING, as opposed to this mythical 'downward trend' you speak of, and of which, includes Len's 14 Dbl-Dbls in his final 32 games of the season, and while yes, he has some work to do, and trails Chandler in many of the advanced stats, the fact that Len's had quite the surge in performance as soon as Watson took over for Hornacek. leads me to the assumption that he'll continue to improve, and thus, is FAR more likely to 'succeed' than to 'bust' as you are predicting him to.GoranTragic wrote:Except we barely used Chandler properly. In fact most stats above are not that far apart. Of course Len will move quicker than Chandler. I will leave you with this:
Chandler won a championship. He wasn't a ring chaser. He was an integral part. Remove Chandler and the Mavericks would have NEVER won the championship against Miami.
Len can barely stay on the court. -- What part of the veritable NON-DIFFERENCE in missed playing time between Len and Chandler in their 1st 3 years did you miss?? Apparently, all of it.
-- And Chandler could barely start with how many Centers on his team in his 1st 3 years in the league?--Bagaric and Curry. He wasn't a consistent starter on his team until his SIXTH season...on his SECOND team. You gonna give Len that much time to win his spot? Oh wait, he already has??
-- Kind of like how Chicago didn't miss Chandler...nor did the NOH...nor did CHA...nor did DAL...nor did NYK...
Ah, another crystal-baller...and apparently, you completely ignored most of the info I provided, so there's no point in arguing with you on this. You act like you know something, yet you know nothing. That's the difference between types like you and types like me; you try to make statements of certainty, knowing it will never catch up with you on a message forum, and the rest of us, make statements of reason. So you go ahead and act like your an NBA GM...run along back to your NBA2K16, or whatever they call those things.
Since apparently you are more knowledgeable how about a sig bet? I'm going to say that Len is going to get injured again this year at least twice and of course it will be his ankle/foot.
Followed by excuses from everyone on this board about his performance being "limited" due to his injuries. Sound good?
