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MrMiyagi wrote:carey wrote:Do you have kids? Honest question. I don't like his attitude but half the reason this kid is in this position is the work his dad put in to get him there. Yes he is talented but the rest is work & a lot of that falls on the parents. I do think this goes beyond advocating for his sons but i don't see any difference in what he does and what another company does. Only where the money is going.
I think there's a difference between advocating for you kids and their desires and having their lives planned out for them. It's kind of a blurred line in (we can't really know the full picture) this case. LaVar talked about wanting his sons to be in the NBA and planned a lot of his own decisions to achieve that. Now I'm not saying these kids don't/didn't want to play in the NBA, but this whole "This is what you're going to do" aspect coming from his dad seems to be rather self-serving. He says he doesn't need the money as he has a nice house in a good location, but the emphasis he keeps putting on money, making demands of companies before discussions can even happen is ridiculous. I can see Lonzo being at a meeting with Nike, his dad in tow, getting a rich sneaker deal put in front of him and his dad raising hell about it not being enough. It doesn't seem to cross LaVar's mind you've got to prove your worth in the business world, just like in basketball.
Now, it might be a purposeful gambit in order to get companies to up their offers knowing that it cannot possibly be a billion dollar deal, but he hasn't demonstrated that, and the $60 merchandise for "Big Baller Brand" is pretty damning evidence for a lack of business savvy.
LaVar Ball remembers the first time he saw his wife. They were both students at Cal State-Los Angeles. He was a big and strong two-sport athlete who eventually played professional football. She was a 6-foot tall basketball player who caught his attention.
"I saw her walking down the hall, and I told her, 'I don't know what we're going to do together, but we're going to do something,'" LaVar said with a laugh.
What they did together is start dating and get married.
Then they had three boys.
"And I knew they were going to hoop like this from Day 1," LaVar said. "That's why I married my wife. Before they even came out the womb, I said, 'I'm having three.' And with the way I'm built, and the way she's built, I knew I was going to have three killers. So this thing was planned long ago. Because I knew if you put two basketball players together, this is what you're going to get. I knew this is what we were going to get."
Currently posting per-40 averages of 25.8 points, 4.6 rebounds, 4.9 assists, and 2.7 made 3-pointers per game (42.7 3P%), Brooks is having an All-American caliber year in his third season under Dana Altman. The Mississauga native has become one of the most difficult covers in college basketball. At 6'7 and 215 pounds, Brooks has the size and strength to play both forward positions at the college level, and has caused problems for opposing defenses all season. He is shooting a career best 42.7% from deep on nearly 4 attempts per game. His improved shooting (up from 33.8% last year) has opened up other offensive options for him, and he has shown promise as a powerful straight line driver and high post option. His per-40 assist average of 4.9 is a career high as well, and he has shown an improved feel as a playmaking option. While Brooks has been a dynamic offensive option throughout the season and has hit big time shots in clutch situations, there are still questions surrounding his transition to the NBA game.
At 6'7, he has just decent size for a combo forward type, and lacks the plus length or outstanding athletic ability to make up for it. He is a powerful athlete when he has space and momentum to load up, but can be somewhat heavy footed in a crowd or laterally. Given his strength and skill set he is a major mismatch at the college level, but will have to improve his overall consistency on the defensive end, as well as his decision making, shot-selection and at times questionable demeanor around teammates. Despite some of his potential shortcomings, Brooks has proven to be one of the fieriest competitors in college basketball, and has been an ultra-important piece all season long for a team with national championship aspirations. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dillion-Brooks-72497/ ©DraftExpress
Kerrsed wrote:MrMiyagi wrote:carey wrote:Do you have kids? Honest question. I don't like his attitude but half the reason this kid is in this position is the work his dad put in to get him there. Yes he is talented but the rest is work & a lot of that falls on the parents. I do think this goes beyond advocating for his sons but i don't see any difference in what he does and what another company does. Only where the money is going.
I think there's a difference between advocating for you kids and their desires and having their lives planned out for them. It's kind of a blurred line in (we can't really know the full picture) this case. LaVar talked about wanting his sons to be in the NBA and planned a lot of his own decisions to achieve that. Now I'm not saying these kids don't/didn't want to play in the NBA, but this whole "This is what you're going to do" aspect coming from his dad seems to be rather self-serving. He says he doesn't need the money as he has a nice house in a good location, but the emphasis he keeps putting on money, making demands of companies before discussions can even happen is ridiculous. I can see Lonzo being at a meeting with Nike, his dad in tow, getting a rich sneaker deal put in front of him and his dad raising hell about it not being enough. It doesn't seem to cross LaVar's mind you've got to prove your worth in the business world, just like in basketball.
Now, it might be a purposeful gambit in order to get companies to up their offers knowing that it cannot possibly be a billion dollar deal, but he hasn't demonstrated that, and the $60 merchandise for "Big Baller Brand" is pretty damning evidence for a lack of business savvy.
Hell, i saw one interview where LaVar was talking about how he was such a ladies man in College and could have any woman he wanted, but when he saw his future wife he chose her based on how he figured their future kids would turn out. Cant remember what article it was, but this one is kinda close to it:LaVar Ball remembers the first time he saw his wife. They were both students at Cal State-Los Angeles. He was a big and strong two-sport athlete who eventually played professional football. She was a 6-foot tall basketball player who caught his attention.
"I saw her walking down the hall, and I told her, 'I don't know what we're going to do together, but we're going to do something,'" LaVar said with a laugh.
What they did together is start dating and get married.
Then they had three boys.
"And I knew they were going to hoop like this from Day 1," LaVar said. "That's why I married my wife. Before they even came out the womb, I said, 'I'm having three.' And with the way I'm built, and the way she's built, I knew I was going to have three killers. So this thing was planned long ago. Because I knew if you put two basketball players together, this is what you're going to get. I knew this is what we were going to get."
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-ball-family-coming-to-a-basketball-court-and-tv-near-you/
carey wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:MrMiyagi wrote:See, this looks like the alienation won't be between Lonzo and whatever franchise gets him, but Lonzo and his Dad. Off court branding is the where LaVar is seeing green. Lonzo will probably be sick of him saying stupid **** like this, affecting potential deals with Nike, Under Armor, and Adidas which'll hurt LONZO's revenue. He'll be hearing guys talking sponsor money once he gets into the league, and he'll want in on that. I doubt "BBB" is very lucrative, and certainly not scaleable. Put "BBB" in front of Mark Cuban on Shark Tank, and I doubt he'd get anyone to partner with him. It's just a brand name. T-Shirts and hats are easy to order from a company to slap a logo on, but you can't do that with shoes, and it'll cost a lot of money to get into that game if you want to compete with the sneaker giants.
Franchises can only do so much given the CBA, there really is no trouble to cause there. Once Lonzo starts seeing how much money he's not getting, he'll start to re-evaluate his dad's business savvy and start to make decisions on his own.
This is Lonzo's money. It's his career. Where does a dad get off trying to cash in on his kid like this.
Do you have kids? Honest question. I don't like his attitude but half the reason this kid is in this position is the work his dad put in to get him there. Yes he is talented but the rest is work & a lot of that falls on the parents. I do think this goes beyond advocating for his sons but i don't see any difference in what he does and what another company does. Only where the money is going.
ryanball wrote:Ideal situation for the Suns is we get Lonzo Ball, then get LaVar Ball to take over as coach and GM. After he gets his billion dollar shoe deal he can buy the Suns franchise to become the owner as well. Then we will be able to draft or trade for his other two sons and dominate the NBA for the next 20 years.
jcsunsfan wrote:Just to answer the question. Yes. Five. Ages 30-18. The older three quite successful in their careers. Two younger ones in college or just getting started. I consider it my obligation to help them get through college, although they should work too. The work my wife and I have put in for our kids over the years has been monumental. That includes homeschooling a good portion of the time, music lessons, athletic participation, overseas trips etc. I think my perspective is realistic. I would not even THINK of trying to cash in on them.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
ATTL wrote:Kerrsed wrote:MrMiyagi wrote:I think there's a difference between advocating for you kids and their desires and having their lives planned out for them. It's kind of a blurred line in (we can't really know the full picture) this case. LaVar talked about wanting his sons to be in the NBA and planned a lot of his own decisions to achieve that. Now I'm not saying these kids don't/didn't want to play in the NBA, but this whole "This is what you're going to do" aspect coming from his dad seems to be rather self-serving. He says he doesn't need the money as he has a nice house in a good location, but the emphasis he keeps putting on money, making demands of companies before discussions can even happen is ridiculous. I can see Lonzo being at a meeting with Nike, his dad in tow, getting a rich sneaker deal put in front of him and his dad raising hell about it not being enough. It doesn't seem to cross LaVar's mind you've got to prove your worth in the business world, just like in basketball.
Now, it might be a purposeful gambit in order to get companies to up their offers knowing that it cannot possibly be a billion dollar deal, but he hasn't demonstrated that, and the $60 merchandise for "Big Baller Brand" is pretty damning evidence for a lack of business savvy.
Hell, i saw one interview where LaVar was talking about how he was such a ladies man in College and could have any woman he wanted, but when he saw his future wife he chose her based on how he figured their future kids would turn out. Cant remember what article it was, but this one is kinda close to it:LaVar Ball remembers the first time he saw his wife. They were both students at Cal State-Los Angeles. He was a big and strong two-sport athlete who eventually played professional football. She was a 6-foot tall basketball player who caught his attention.
"I saw her walking down the hall, and I told her, 'I don't know what we're going to do together, but we're going to do something,'" LaVar said with a laugh.
What they did together is start dating and get married.
Then they had three boys.
"And I knew they were going to hoop like this from Day 1," LaVar said. "That's why I married my wife. Before they even came out the womb, I said, 'I'm having three.' And with the way I'm built, and the way she's built, I knew I was going to have three killers. So this thing was planned long ago. Because I knew if you put two basketball players together, this is what you're going to get. I knew this is what we were going to get."
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-ball-family-coming-to-a-basketball-court-and-tv-near-you/
Who among us doesn't choose our significant others to breed strong sons for us?
My wife swam in college, her dad played baseball, and they're both tall. She will give me many sons to carry on my legacy of posting incoherently on realgm.
Kerrsed wrote:His dad just scares the hell out of me.
This is the guy who said his Son would only play for the Lakers. Same guy that chose UCLA for his son due to it being in Cali and close to him. Trust me when i say i have a very bad feeling that whatever team does draft him, will lose him his first chance in FA to the Lakers (If he doesnt force his way out first).
MrMiyagi wrote:Plus I'm sure his agent will start to cut the cord with his dad. Agents always want to be the chief negotiator on behalf of their clients. So long as Papa Ball isn't his agent, I'd feel fine taking him.
MrMiyagi wrote:Kerrsed wrote:His dad just scares the hell out of me.
This is the guy who said his Son would only play for the Lakers. Same guy that chose UCLA for his son due to it being in Cali and close to him. Trust me when i say i have a very bad feeling that whatever team does draft him, will lose him his first chance in FA to the Lakers (If he doesnt force his way out first).
That's the thing though, yeah Phoenix isn't exactly across the country for Papa Ball to travel, but it's still distance. He comes to Phoenix, playing with Booker, Marquese, Bender, TJ, Bledsoe, guys who like each other and are competitive, I don't see why he would want to leave that. Honestly I think if there is a fallout, it will be personal. I mean, who are you going to listen to your dad who has told you every little thing you have to do (possibly to his financial detriment) or your boys who've got your back and want you to do what's best for you?
Plus I'm sure his agent will start to cut the cord with his dad. Agents always want to be the chief negotiator on behalf of their clients. So long as Papa Ball isn't his agent, I'd feel fine taking him.
On Monday, LaVar called into ESPN LA’s Morning Show with Keyshawn, Jorge and LZ to talk about Lonzo and the process leading up to the summer’s NBA draft. LaVar disputed the notion that Lonzo even needs an agent and said that the family has already worked to build a marketing and distribution power around Lonzo, comparing it to Jordan Brand with Nike.
