The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Revived]

Re: James Jones being idiotic with draft choices

None of that is surprising. I’ve said it before that 99% of people on this Suns board would draft, trade and sign FAs better than James Jones has done in the last 5 years. If you watch James Jones in interviews, he comes off incredibly smug and likes to pretend like he’s done some incredible job and that he’s smarter than everyone else.

He even said BS like he thinks no team has unlocked KD’s potential and that the Suns are gonna be the first team do it when KD’s 36 yrs old. At the end of the day, a small minority of fans like Sabestar, Slimm etc eat all that BS up so he’s gonna continue doing it.

People complain about LeBron’s kid being drafted in the 2nd rd as nepotism…no, real nepotism is a clown like James Jones getting a job he’s ENTIRELY unqualified for just due to having been a journeyman scrub in the NBA.

For Ishbia, he’s perfect because he’s a great “yes man”. Any other NBA exec like Bob Myers would have self respect and would demand to call the shots themselves so of course Ishbia isn’t gonna hire someone successful and experienced like that.

[BobbieL]

Suns should be trying to convince Tyus or Gary Trent’s agent to take the min and try again next free agency. Improve their value like Grayson did.

If Tyus ends up taking a vet min deal with some other team, that would be a kick in the nuts for Suns considering he would’ve fit in perfectly and brought everything the Suns need from a PG.

The Suns could have waited out for Tyus Jones but they obviously didn't want to risk it so signed Morris. Which I understand

But Tyus Jones would have been the perfect PG for the Suns.

[RaisingArizona]

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Fireable offense. Why he still has a job is baffling.

[KdoubleDees23]

Suns are a Tyus Jones away from being a contender! They need someone like him! He would be a perfect fit.

[ChuckS]

Suns should be trying to convince Tyus or Gary Trent’s agent to take the min and try again next free agency. Improve their value like Grayson did.

If Tyus ends up taking a vet min deal with some other team, that would be a kick in the nuts for Suns considering he would’ve fit in perfectly and brought everything the Suns need from a PG.

The Suns could have waited out for Tyus Jones but they obviously didn't want to risk it so signed Morris. Which I understand

But Tyus Jones would have been the perfect PG for the Suns.

Maybe it is just me, because I do not know better. But it seems logical, that immediately after it is allowable, GM's would contact the agents of preferred players to determine the probability of the player being willing to sign for the minimum, and/or if the player had any other location or other desires that would rule him out. But I suppose it could be just "a bird in the hand..."philosophy.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Fireable offense. Why he still has a job is baffling.

I spent about an hour looking at draft stuff this year and liked Isaiah Collier. If he blows up this season, I'll be... well, not too pissed now that I think about it. Aren't we used to the feeling at this point?

Ah, but seriously. Every FO screws up the draft almost every year. Hopefully Ryan Dunn wows us in Vegas.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Suns are a Tyus Jones away from being a contender! They need someone like him! He would be a perfect fit.

But honestly, this season would be dead to me if we hadn't re-signed Bol Bol.

What a time to be alive.

[Saberestar]

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[They_Them_Hatin]

Suns should be trying to convince Tyus or Gary Trent’s agent to take the min and try again next free agency. Improve their value like Grayson did.

If Tyus ends up taking a vet min deal with some other team, that would be a kick in the nuts for Suns considering he would’ve fit in perfectly and brought everything the Suns need from a PG.

I know right but I can def see him choosing the contenders out east. Like the Knicks or 76ers. If I’m the Suns, I’m offering him the starting PG spot and selling his agent on the potential career high numbers he can put up on a contender as a starter with more teams having cap space.

[Bogyo]

Suns should be trying to convince Tyus or Gary Trent’s agent to take the min and try again next free agency. Improve their value like Grayson did.

If Tyus ends up taking a vet min deal with some other team, that would be a kick in the nuts for Suns considering he would’ve fit in perfectly and brought everything the Suns need from a PG.

The Suns could have waited out for Tyus Jones but they obviously didn't want to risk it so signed Morris. Which I understand

But Tyus Jones would have been the perfect PG for the Suns.

We should still wait out, and let go Roddy, and not resign Okogie. Keep the 2 empty places, becouse better players will be left without teams, and will likely be available for us.
Notable remainig free agents: Lowry, Reed, Fultz, Sadiq Bey, PatBev, Dinwiddie, Hayward, Cedi Osman, Okoro, Precious, Tyus Jones, Kennard, Covington, Lonnie Walker, Crowder, McDermott, Fournier. Tell me that they are not better players or fits on the Suns than Roddy or Okogie - even though we wouldnt need another sg, so the last 3-4 names are a bit redundant, but still...
JJ is "smarter"...

[They_Them_Hatin]

If Tyus ends up taking a vet min deal with some other team, that would be a kick in the nuts for Suns considering he would’ve fit in perfectly and brought everything the Suns need from a PG.

The Suns could have waited out for Tyus Jones but they obviously didn't want to risk it so signed Morris. Which I understand

But Tyus Jones would have been the perfect PG for the Suns.

Maybe it is just me, because I do not know better. But it seems logical, that immediately after it is allowable, GM's would contact the agents of preferred players to determine the probability of the player being willing to sign for the minimum, and/or if the player had any other location or other desires that would rule him out. But I suppose it could be just "a bird in the hand..."philosophy.

Why would him and his agent go into free agency telling teams they’ll accept the minimum? They tested the market and it’s just not there this year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bigfoot]

How much is Okogie gonna cost the Suns? Say another team wants to pay him $8M. What is the Suns real cost to exceed that offer? Is it like $50M because of the extra penalities?

[Saberestar]

How much is Okogie gonna cost the Suns? Say another team wants to pay him $8M. What is the Suns real cost to exceed that offer? Is it like $50M because of the extra penalities?

I doubt any team will want Okogie for $8M per year.

I think he is trying to get an small multi-annual contract, something like $10M/3 years.

[BobbieL]

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Danny Ainge has spoken through Gambo


Gambo also tweeted out that Reed wouldn't be that much of a difference maker - almost like down playing his skill set
Granted, the Suns would never have been able to sign him off waivers like the Pistons - details, details

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[Revived]

How much is Okogie gonna cost the Suns? Say another team wants to pay him $8M. What is the Suns real cost to exceed that offer? Is it like $50M because of the extra penalities?

If another team wants to pay Okogie $8M then you send him a thank you card for his services.

Okogie shouldn’t be getting a dollar more than vet min.

He’s been in the NBA like 8 years now and his offense is about the exact same as it was when he came into the league. Not sure if he just has poor work ethic and doesn’t work on his offense at all in the offseason or what but yeah.

I love his effort and energy on defense and if this was 10 years ago, would love to have him on the team. But spacing matters way too much in the NBA now for guys like Okogie.

It’s why drafting a kid in the 1st rd who can’t shoot 3s or FTs was a bit concerning but hopefully he improves on that soon.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Honestly, I'm more pissed off about this than missing out on Doncic. I was high on Doncic since day 1, but I atleast understood the justification of drafting Ayton (even though I had my doubt about him).

Haliburton was such an obvious fit. Have him play under Paul for two seasons and then let him take over the reigns. The fact that he slipped to us was a shock, and the fact that we passed up on him was an even bigger shock

Just another glaring example of why it's so critically important to not overlook/ ignore the underlying value of the draft as a cost-effective pathway to competitive sustainability! It's also a very clear example of why it's equally important to also invest correctly in legitimate high-end scouting departments and talent evaluators.

JJ skipped Hali, Maxey, Bane and Vassell and any one of those players would have fit this roster a lot better than Stix.

Jalen still turned into a serviceable player but we destroyed his confidence in his rookie season and couldn't wait to get rid of him for scraps without even seeing if he could contribute off the bench.

It was a total disaster it makes me furious just thinking about it.

Excellent points man!
This is the other critical part wherein the ability to properly evaluate and develop talent is critically important. I can understand the whole Saver not being willing to spend to improve the team. But now with Ishbia running things there'll be no excuses for not hiring the gery best of the best available scouts, talent evaluators, shooting and development specialists too.

We have to absolutely hit on all of these aspects that we've intentionally ignored for far too long.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Give Lowry 3 years and tell him we'll waive him after this year.

That way we pay him 8m which is the MLE.

Why are we more interested in Okogie over Covington?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Give Lowry 3 years and tell him we'll waive him after this year.

That way we pay him 8m which is the MLE.

Why are we more interested in Okogie over Covington?

Th only logical reason I can see for the suns prioritizing Okogi over Covington would be the difference in contractual salary they can offer to give themselves a higher salaried trade asset. Seeing as thy can offer Okogi around 12 million (I believe) and then flip him for an equitable salary or multiple up to that amount, But with Covington, they're limited to only a vet min.