Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[sunskerr]

It would be an offer like this: Okafor, all the picks in 2014 and 2015 but one (Indiana's), 1stR 2017, Archie Goodwin, Alex Len the Morii and Green.

If we're to take this literally, you've gone much too far.

[Ring_Wanted]

Keep Green hahaha.

Seems like too much, doesn't it? Would you 'settle' for less if you were the Wolves? Can't you think of better assets from other teams?

[rsavaj]

is deng expiring this year? Could we get deng and noah then get hayward in the offseason if deng expires?

Bulls said they're not trading Deng(but they will probably shop him close to the deadline); Noah will be much harder to acquire. He's still young enough to be a foundational piece for them, even at 28.

[rsavaj]

Here's a crazy thought: now that Brook Lopez is out for the season with a broken foot, maybe Brooklyn blows it up. They want to get into the 2014 draft, and I'd be willing to do something like Okafor+Indy pick for Pierce.

I don't know if it would be enough, and it would surely be a rental, but adding a guy like Pierce could potentially make this team pretty dangerous, especially if it only costs us a pick in the 28-30 range.

Bledsoe
Dragic
Pierce
Frye
Plumlee

With the Morri/Goodwin/Tucker as your main bench dudes. Add Len if he ever gets healthy, and Ish for spot minutes.

Deep, dangerous team. We're projected to win ~45 games right now, but our schedule does get tougher, and adding a guy like Pierce could be the boost that potentially makes us a 50 win team.

[Ring_Wanted]

Find me a team that has the assets to "easily" beat 3-4 1st's, a recent top 5 pick, and cap relief. The list is so small it doesn't exist.

Are you sure?

How about teams able to draft Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Exum, Smart, Randle, LaVine? Whoever Minni wanted to play alongside Rubio. Mirotic?

Or teams with multiple picks, one of them higher than our best (plus future picks too, obviously)?

Maybe the Wolves would want to stay competitive instead of going full rebuild again. Don't you think there are teams out there that can offer more?

I am inclined to believe that FOs would go crazy if getting The Next Disgruntled Superstar was possible via trade. One could say that indeed there is a deadline to fetch the closest to full value (after all the Lakers are there), but there is still plenty of time if the Wolves are not stupidly reckless, starting this draft.

Really, three mid 1stR picks won't equal the perceived impact of a Embiid, Wiggins, etc. The recent top5 picks has yet to prove he can play, literally. And cap space is well, yeah, cap space, so they'd have that going for them, which is nice.

[Ryu]

R_W, I don`t see anybody in draft top7 giving Wiggins or Embiid for Love.

Those are all terrible teams and they would risk losing Love for nothing after one season while he obviously cannot guide his team to the playoffs. Teams like Utah or Milwaukee would rather have Parker or Randle on rookie deals than Love, I am almost sure.

Imo, our biggest rival for him can be Golden State. They can offer Barnes and Lee and question is do Wolves FO value more our picks or Harrison Barnes. I personally think Barnes is terribly overrated around the league.

[carey]

You guys are vastly overrating how much a Love rental is worth. There are no more extend and trades so the team trading for him is taking an enormous risk. If you aren't LA you don't give up something like Len, Goodwn, and three draft picks. You just don't.

[JMac1]

is deng expiring this year? Could we get deng and noah then get hayward in the offseason if deng expires?

Bulls said they're not trading Deng(but they will probably shop him close to the deadline); Noah will be much harder to acquire. He's still young enough to be a foundational piece for them, even at 28.

To that...An un-named GM said that means they are getting nothing but lowball offers per hoopshype. on another note.....

I am tired of the ridiculous Love offers; like someone here said a while back, we do not need to be the Vikings in the Herschel Walker deal!! All of your draft picks all of your young players that were 1st rounders last year that are 19 and 20 respectively. No New Orleans Ricky Williams trade deals!! That stuff never works. Some of you guys act as if he is Lew Alcindor.

Kevin Love is good, but not that good!

[Ring_Wanted]

I don`t see anybody in draft top7 giving Wiggins or Embiid for Love.

What if they Lakers bomb out?
The Nuggets could offer Faried+NYK pick and other assets. The Kings could go crazy with a vision of Love and Cousins, who knows?

The East is ridiculously cheap, but how about the Hawks if the Nets (Lopez down) don't make the postseason? The Sixers will probably have two lotto picks. Orlando has already a lot of youth, so moving their pick for Love wouldn't be a sin. And I forgot the Bulls, who can't even score 90 points and are headed for a high pick too, plus Charlotte's and Mirotic.

I personally think Barnes is terribly overrated around the league.

I believe so too. But would it be impossible to happen that one of the teams interested in him are the Wolves, who have a clear hole at SF?

You guys are vastly overrating how much a Love rental is worth. There are no more extend and trades so the team trading for him is taking an enormous risk. If you aren't LA you don't give up something like Len, Goodwn, and three draft picks. You just don't.

Nobody denies it is a risk, but under the right conditions I believe it is a risk worth taking. Of course I don't see Milwaukee trading their pick and Antetokounmpo for Love, but the Suns, for instance and among other teams, are in a different position. We are in the playoffs race and have a style and a mix of players that would suit Love perfectly. This has to matter to a superstar that has yet to sniff a playoff game. Then again, the East is so weak.

But yeah, the most probable thing is that LAL just gets him for free after the Wolves stubbornly refuse to trade him. It wouldn't be the first time this happens in the NBA.

[BurningHeart]

Only thing that makes me hesitant about Love is his love for this shithole they call Los Angeles.

Gives me pause. I want someone with as much disdain for the city as I have.

[Revived]

I like Love but I wouldn't sell the farm for him. If you give most of your good players for just one superstar, it could backfire. Look at the Knicks and the trade for Melo as an example.

I would trade all picks except for the Suns 2014 one and the LAL 2015 one. Only young player I would be willing to part with is Len but Minny has Pekovic so not sure if they want him.

[DirtyDez]

You give up the house if he agrees to a extension. I think it would have over the summer after the Suns have hopefully overachieved, made the playoffs and shown they could contend for a chip with a superstar. Plus we'd know where the draft picks are slotted.

[guaves13]

You guys are vastly overrating how much a Love rental is worth. There are no more extend and trades so the team trading for him is taking an enormous risk. If you aren't LA you don't give up something like Len, Goodwn, and three draft picks. You just don't.

And why wouldn't he extend in PHX. Great supporting cast, room to give him a max deal and continue to add players, and great weather. Better chance to win here than in LA for the foreseeable future. We don't even have to gut the roster.

[NapoleonII]

Time is in our favor.

His current contract is ticking and his prime is being spent on a team that can't push itself into contender status.

We're getting momentum as our pieces overachieve. Stick to the plan.

1. Keep winning.
2. Keep developing talent (Bledsoe/Dragic show, Morris bros, Goodwin and hopefully Len)
3. Keep stockpiling assets.

[carey]

You guys are vastly overrating how much a Love rental is worth. There are no more extend and trades so the team trading for him is taking an enormous risk. If you aren't LA you don't give up something like Len, Goodwn, and three draft picks. You just don't.

And why wouldn't he extend in PHX. Great supporting cast, room to give him a max deal and continue to add players, and great weather. Better chance to win here than in LA for the foreseeable future. We don't even have to gut the roster.

It's not allowed under the new CBA. If traded here we'd have to sign him as a UFA in '15, but we'd have his bird rights at least to give him whatever he wants. Scuttlebutt is that he winds up in L.A., but lets not act like he grew up there, he went to UCLA but he grew up in the Seattle area.

[MrMiyagi]

You guys are vastly overrating how much a Love rental is worth. There are no more extend and trades so the team trading for him is taking an enormous risk. If you aren't LA you don't give up something like Len, Goodwn, and three draft picks. You just don't.

And why wouldn't he extend in PHX. Great supporting cast, room to give him a max deal and continue to add players, and great weather. Better chance to win here than in LA for the foreseeable future. We don't even have to gut the roster.

It's not allowed under the new CBA. If traded here we'd have to sign him as a UFA in '15, but we'd have his bird rights at least to give him whatever he wants. Scuttlebutt is that he winds up in L.A., but lets not act like he grew up there, he went to UCLA but he grew up in the Seattle area.

So next season (if we get him this year) we won't be allowed to extend him, we have to wait until his contract expires? That makes no sense.

[Ring_Wanted]

A extend a trade is not possible anymore, and you need to wait 6 months after you trade for a player to be able to extend him. But in the case that a team acquired Love this season, they could negotiate next summer, and they could still reach an agreement before he becomes a free agent.

He could still refuse to sign, but at worst it gives you one season and a half before he can go for LA. Again, if your team is in the NBA catacombs, you don't make such a huge move, but if it was a team already in the playoffs and with a bright future, 'gambling' on Love makes sense.

But it won't matter since it's pretty doubtful that the Wolves move him this season or that the Suns can make the best offer, at least in my opinion. What we have going for us is that our landscape is much better than most of the teams that could gather enough assets to realistically make a push for Love, so maybe you could sell the player on the idea of contending here, but who knows.

[Qwigglez]

With so many teams tanking this season, I'd hope the Suns make an offer for a disgruntled star. We could get players for ten cents on the dollar. While I would love to get Deng AND Noah on the Suns team I think we simply can't make salaries match well enough where we aren't giving up too many role players.
The best trade I could come up with is: Deng & Noah for Okafor, Green, Plumlee, Kravtsov, and Archie (clearly draft picks would be included). And that right there we still lose two good pieces (granted, we gain two better pieces) and lose Archie as well. Deng could very well be a rental, and I'd see no incentive for him to want to stay here besides us having the ability to give him a longer contract. I'm just thinking our SF rotation isn't that bad and we could benefit a lot more if we only took on the contract of Noah.
Noah/Hinrich for Okafor/Plumlee +picks is a far better deal for the Suns. The amount of SF's in this upcoming year's free agency is plentiful (at the top at least), there is no need to splurge on one ahead of the game.

[heir_jordan22]

What's up guys. I'm a Bulls fan and with the rumors about a possible Chicago-Phoenix trade, I wanted to see how much you guys think Deng would be worth to you. If Deng was traded straight up for Okafor would you be willing to give up the Wizards and Pacers picks?

[King4Day]

What's up guys. I'm a Bulls fan and with the rumors about a possible Chicago-Phoenix trade, I wanted to see how much you guys think Deng would be worth to you. If Deng was traded straight up for Okafor would you be willing to give up the Wizards and Pacers picks?

No way. He'll want a huge contract after this year. It immediately takes us out of the running for a potential star via trade. Tucker is giving us all the D we need and is healthy.
Not worth trading assets for a guy who will almost assuredly be gone this summer.

Where'd you hear that rumor? That's the first I heard anything.