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Post#1301 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:19 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:They are over the cap right now and are going to be in the upper tax payers because they have been consecutive tax payers. It would be in the lakers best interests to trade for emeka straight up to avoid paying higher taxes if they are willing to go over the cap again next year since they think they are gonna get more stars.


And you're overestimating how much the L-Tax savings are worth to the Lakers. They're not in such a precarious financial position that they need to give away Pau Gasol. And it's barely even feasible for them to be over the L-tax threshold next season.

And let's stop acting like we're just talking about acquiring any old expiring contract. Gasol is more talented than any player on the roster not named Goran Dragic. He turns this team from a likely first round sweep candidate to a team that's giving their opponent grief in the second round.

So it comes down to how important this year's playoff run is to management. Giving up the Indiana pick is hardly compromising the future, and this is coming from someone who absolutely loves and believes in the draft.

I'm not convinced the Suns should do a deal like this, but I'm also not going to pretend like LA should accept just an Okafor for Gasol swap. That's borderline absurd.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#1302 » by AZWildByNature » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:19 am

GetYourPHX wrote:The Suns could look to deal him for another expiring vet + a pick in the right situation. Would Charlotte send Gordon + Portland's 1st?


I was just looking at the idea of adding Ben Gordon and that pick for Okafor. Money matchs and the Cats save some money while giving up a late first.
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Post#1303 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:22 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:They are over the cap right now and are going to be in the upper tax payers because they have been consecutive tax payers. It would be in the lakers best interests to trade for emeka straight up to avoid paying higher taxes if they are willing to go over the cap again next year since they think they are gonna get more stars.


And you're overestimating how much the L-Tax savings are worth to the Lakers. They're not in such a precarious financial position that they need to give away Pau Gasol. And it's barely even feasible for them to be over the L-tax threshold next season.

And let's stop acting like we're just talking about acquiring any old expiring contract. Gasol is more talented than any player on the roster not named Goran Dragic. He turns this team from a likely first round sweep candidate to a team that's giving their opponent grief in the second round.

So it comes down to how important this year's playoff run is to management. Giving up the Indiana pick is hardly compromising the future, and this is coming from someone who absolutely loves and believes in the draft.

I'm not convinced the Suns should do a deal like this, but I'm also not going to pretend like LA should accept just an Okafor for Gasol swap. That's borderline absurd.


Ok so let's say he does bring value. Are u willing to give up draft picks knowing he could bolt after less then 40 games with the suns. I mean even with him, we are not winning a championship.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#1304 » by GetYourPHX » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:22 am

AZWildByNature wrote:I was just looking at the idea of adding Ben Gordon and that pick for Okafor. Money matchs and the Cats save some money while giving up a late first.


It could make sense at the deadline. Bobcats would get somewhere between 6-7 mil between insurance and contract savings for a late first - that's more than market value. Suns get an asset that they can actually use over the summer.
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Post#1305 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:23 am

NapoleonII wrote: Pau/Frye would be the softest front court in the league.


Honestly, the Plumlee/Frye frontcourt isn't stopping anyone either. Just about any big can score on Plumlee in the low post. Plumlee does offer some rim protection, but that's about it.
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Post#1306 » by Puff » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:25 am

The rumor is still out there that the Bulls could trade Noah and we are on the list of possible destinations. I think he would be a perfect fit for this team and if Bledsoe would come back for the playoffs we could be very dangerous. I think a rotation of Noah and Plumlee at the 5 would be fantastic. We would get better defensively and add another quality distributor to the mix. He is only 29 and has 2 more years after this one on his deal. I do not see another free agent not named Lebron James that I would rather have.

Apparently the Bulls are looking at draft picks and we have them. They are over the Luxury Tax limit and we could arrange a deal to get them under it while saving them a ton of money and free up money for them to go after a free agent this summer.

I still do not know why they would want to give up Noah. He is their best player until Derrick Rose shows he still can play. I really don't care about them. I have always wanted Noah on this team.

Could this possibly happen?

I also hope we stay away from Gasol. Noah brings the intensity we are developing.
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Post#1307 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:26 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Ok so let's say he does bring value. Are u willing to give up draft picks knowing he could bolt after less then 40 games with the suns. I mean even with him, we are not winning a championship.


Draft picks? I don't think multiple draft picks would ever be on the table. We're talking about the the #30 pick in the draft. So the question is: Is the #30 pick in the draft worth a playoff series win?
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Post#1308 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:27 am

As much as we debate trades. I can just imagine what it's like in a front office.
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Post#1309 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:27 am

Puff wrote:The rumor is still out there that the Bulls could trade Noah and we are on the list of possible destinations.


I haven't heard or seen that.
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Post#1310 » by NaturalBuns » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:27 am

NapoleonII wrote:I don't see the need.

The Slash Bros don't need a PF on the low-block, they need a floor-spacer. His defense hasn't aged well. Pau/Frye would be the softest front court in the league.

Put him on the bench....Why? Our bench is rolling with Barbosa and the Morrii.
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Post#1311 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:29 am

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AZWildByNature wrote:I was just looking at the idea of adding Ben Gordon and that pick for Okafor. Money matchs and the Cats save some money while giving up a late first.


It could make sense at the deadline. Bobcats would get somewhere between 6-7 mil between insurance and contract savings for a late first - that's more than market value. Suns get an asset that they can actually use over the summer.


There is no reason for Charlotte to do that deal; they're payroll is pretty reasonable.
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Post#1312 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:29 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:Ok so let's say he does bring value. Are u willing to give up draft picks knowing he could bolt after less then 40 games with the suns. I mean even with him, we are not winning a championship.


Draft picks? I don't think multiple draft picks would ever be on the table. We're talking about the the #30 pick in the draft. So the question is: Is the #30 pick in the draft worth a playoff series win?

That my friend is the question. Financially probably yes for extra profit. Long term no.
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Post#1313 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:31 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:Ok so let's say he does bring value. Are u willing to give up draft picks knowing he could bolt after less then 40 games with the suns. I mean even with him, we are not winning a championship.


Draft picks? I don't think multiple draft picks would ever be on the table. We're talking about the the #30 pick in the draft. So the question is: Is the #30 pick in the draft worth a playoff series win?

That my friend is the question. Financially probably yes for extra profit. Long term no.


The Suns would still have two, maybe three picks in that same draft, and two the following year. Again, I love the draft, but in that context, the impact on the long term outlook is negligible.
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Post#1314 » by DRK » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:32 am

Is Horford worth a gamble as a future PF? Value is at an all time low, and we can put together a nice package for Atlanta
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Post#1315 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:35 am

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Draft picks? I don't think multiple draft picks would ever be on the table. We're talking about the the #30 pick in the draft. So the question is: Is the #30 pick in the draft worth a playoff series win?

That my friend is the question. Financially probably yes for extra profit. Long term no.


The Suns would still have two, maybe three picks in that same draft, and two the following year. Again, I love the draft, but in that context, the impact on the long term outlook is negligible.


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Re: Emeka Okafor Could Be Trade Chip For Suns
by Fresh360Waves on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:20 pm
Lakers will be stuck with Gasol until the end of the season unless they lower their asking price for Gasol. Asking for a first round pick is delusional: it is a slap in the face to all NBA GM's.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#1316 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:37 am

DRK wrote:Is Horford worth a gamble as a future PF? Value is at an all time low, and we can put together a nice package for Atlanta


That's definitely thinking outside of the box. He's under contract for two more seasons, so at least the Suns would have time to see him healthy before having to work on his next contract. Atlanta seems really committed to him though. The price might be too high.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#1317 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:39 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
INFORMER-93 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:That my friend is the question. Financially probably yes for extra profit. Long term no.


The Suns would still have two, maybe three picks in that same draft, and two the following year. Again, I love the draft, but in that context, the impact on the long term outlook is negligible.


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Re: Emeka Okafor Could Be Trade Chip For Suns
by Fresh360Waves on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:20 pm
Lakers will be stuck with Gasol until the end of the season unless they lower their asking price for Gasol. Asking for a first round pick is delusional: it is a slap in the face to all NBA GM's.


Fresh360Waves, huh? That doesn't really move the needle for me.
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Post#1318 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:40 am

INFORMER-93 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
INFORMER-93 wrote:
The Suns would still have two, maybe three picks in that same draft, and two the following year. Again, I love the draft, but in that context, the impact on the long term outlook is negligible.


From the lakers board:

Re: Emeka Okafor Could Be Trade Chip For Suns
by Fresh360Waves on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:20 pm
Lakers will be stuck with Gasol until the end of the season unless they lower their asking price for Gasol. Asking for a first round pick is delusional: it is a slap in the face to all NBA GM's.


Fresh360Waves, huh? That doesn't really move the needle for me.


Just that he was one of the few non delusional lakers fans. Lol
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Post#1319 » by INFORMER-93 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:50 am

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Post#1320 » by Qwigglez » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:31 am

I think trading for Pau woud be great long term as well, because he could possibly help lure free agents this off-season. Luring Lebron to Phoenix with Bledsoe/Dragic is good, but luring Lebron with Bledsoe/Dragic and Pau would be hard for Lebron to turn down. Especially with our role players, who are far better supporting cast than the Heat IMO.
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