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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1301 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:03 am

Cutter wrote:I posted a twitter link in another thread that showed the Suns with the most available cap space in the league at $37.6 million for 2014-15. If Bosh were to opt out, Suns could offer LeBron and Bosh near max salary, plus surround them with a much deeper, younger team that is better than the supporting cast LeBron/Bosh have in Miami currently. Bosh could start at center until Len develops in a couple of years, then he would move over to PF.

PG: Bledsoe
SG: Dragic
C: Bosh
SF: LeBron
PF: Frye

Bench
Green
Tucker
Morri
Archie
Len

That's a pretty deep bench.

So we're looking to change the franchise to Phoenix Heat then? Maybe we'll change our colors to red too.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1302 » by gaspar » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:05 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/481654358644256768[/tweet]
Worth a read.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1303 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:45 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Cutter wrote:I posted a twitter link in another thread that showed the Suns with the most available cap space in the league at $37.6 million for 2014-15. If Bosh were to opt out, Suns could offer LeBron and Bosh near max salary, plus surround them with a much deeper, younger team that is better than the supporting cast LeBron/Bosh have in Miami currently. Bosh could start at center until Len develops in a couple of years, then he would move over to PF.

PG: Bledsoe
SG: Dragic
C: Bosh
SF: LeBron
PF: Frye

Bench
Green
Tucker
Morri
Archie
Len

That's a pretty deep bench.

So we're looking to change the franchise to Phoenix Heat then? Maybe we'll change our colors to red too.



I was just going to post this. I have been jocking Love so much, it took other posters on other sites to help me realize that we could sign Bosh and James and not trade jack....or trade and make our team even better.

Bledsoe
Dragic
James
Bosh
Anyone

can happen so easy :o

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/481654358644256768[/tweet]
Worth a read.



Yea, the media (outside of the Lakers' cock suckers ESPN) are starting to talk about us. I have seen about three sites mention us :D
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1304 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:09 am

Make Lebron choose which FA he wants to play with... Melo or Love.

If Melo... Sign him outright.

If Love... Dragic might have to be traded to Wplves to trump Warrior's offer
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1305 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:11 am

The upcoming weeks in free agency may rival the excitement of Sarvers first yr when we added Nash and Q. Add a good draft/trade and this off season very well could be the most productive/impactful one since acquiring Barkley
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1306 » by drewsprocket » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:18 am

Cutter wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Cutter wrote:Melo is a high volume chucker (yes chucker!) who has a career 45.5% shooting efficiency. When you have a player that takes 20 shots per game on such average to below average efficiency that team will not win a championship. Period. Melo makes Kevin Love look shy about hogging the ball. Melo's career averages for 3 point shooting are below average at 34.5%...that's just not very good. His 2 point shooting is nothing to brag about at 47.6% for his career. His eFG% is not good at all. Suns take roughly 95 shots per game, and having a player like Melo take 1 of every 5 shots at such low efficiency isn't a championship formula.

Melo is good at getting fouled and going to the free throw line. But high volume shooters are always getting fouled because they are always handling and shooting the ball. He is a very good free throw shooter rebounder to his credit.

I cannot imaging McD in any way seriously looking at Melo for this team.


Ever think that Melo HAD to take all those shots as his teammate tended to be s**t? I mean in NY, who else was supposed to take them? Broken Stoudemire? Tyson Chandler? Felton? Do you give JR Smith an even greener light? What about in Denver? What real good teammates did he have that could put the ball in the hoop? Billups? Old ass Iverson? Nene (the few games he wasnt injured) ?

He really hasnt had that good of teammates. He HAD to be the man. They all relied on him.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... blogs&_r=0

Good article Kerrsed. Some good points are made, but overall I don't buy what the author is selling. Ball hogs are born, not made. He did the same thing at Syracuse, Denver and NY. He would do the same thing with the Suns.

Now if we got the ultimate basketball alpha male LeBron on this team with Melo, them possibly Melo might change his stripes. Maybe.


The author of that thesis was very selective in his Nuggets analysis of Melo. Melo apologists love to decry what little support he had from teammates.

Melo played on a team which featured Nene, Kenyon Martin, JR Smith, and Billups. They finished 2nd in the Western Conference regular season standings and made it to the WCF. The problem was that that team ran right into the Lakers who were too beastly with all their length and swarming defense...Pau, Odom, Bynum, Ariza, and Kobe were too much for everyone. And Melo, while still being the primary option on offense, was not the primary leader of that team. That was Billups' team - who set the offense and nailed big time shots. He hit 8 treys in a game. Melo avg'd 18 fgs and had his most winning year. Had that team not ran into the Lakers, Nuggets could have won the championship ring by beating the ridiculously mediocre Magic that year (who had no help outside of Howard and Turk and Rashard Lewis). Melo brings little else to his teams other than scoring and rebounding. He just is unable to raise the intensity and performances of his teammates. IF they won, it would have been because of the rest of the team and Melo's supplemental scoring. He's all filler with some crunch time value. But crunch time for Melo doesn't involve shutting down his opponent or creating crucial opportunities.

The Lakers won because of its entire team and because Kobe doesn't have deficits which the rest of the team has to make up for. He can maintain his intensity across multiple playoff series and help his team maintain their focus.

He's a chucker.

Melo should have played basketball in 1990s; when you could just post up your guy one on one and score on your man every time until they started bringing in the double team -- and then the real punishment begins. He could have faced up and gone one on one and pulled out every trick for 35 minutes per game. He would have averaged over 30 points per game for years on end until the Zone Defense of implemented in the early 2000s. In those sort of offensive sets, he could have carried his team on his back more consistently and been more effective in creating shots for teammates when doubled.

I don't want Melo as a Sun because he'll command at least 18 shots a game and slow the pace way down. He won't close out on any shots on the perimeter and someone will always have to recover for his opponent being able to get into the lane.

It's hard to imagine a team with Melo and enough of a talent on its roster to make it through the Finals to win a ring. Perhaps there is such a team in a different universe wherein Melo played alongside Chauncey Billups at his best, a healthy Amare Stoudemire, a young Tyson Chandler, and a Bruce Bowen in his prime. I think that would work. I wouldn't think he'd hack it on a team like the Spurs with Pop running the show...he'd be dumped just like Stephen Jackson was.
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Post#1307 » by AZWildByNature » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:29 pm

Not sure if anyone has brought this up but I was thinking about it last night.

LBJ wants the Heat to spend money and he is friends with our Bledsoe.

So do the Heat offer Bledsoe a max contract, hoping the Suns don't match so they can keep LBJ happy?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1308 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:27 pm

AZWildByNature wrote:Not sure if anyone has brought this up but I was thinking about it last night.

LBJ wants the Heat to spend money and he is friends with our Bledsoe.

So do the Heat offer Bledsoe a max contract, hoping the Suns don't match so they can keep LBJ happy?


Two things:

1. The Heat do not have the cap space to offer Bledsoe the max. The best they could do is the mid-level and Eric cannot accept that. If he did, we would match it gladly. Eric could sign the QO for a year and be an unrestricted next year and try to go to Miami, but Miami would still have the same problems they do this year.
2. If the Heat could sign Eric to a max deal it would be great. It would mean that LeBron really wants to play with Bledsoe. So we would tell LeBron that we are matching AND that if he wants to play with Eric, we have a VERY good situation here in Phoenix waiting for him.

With a shrewd GM, this situation is great. Even if we cant get LeBron, it opens up so many more opportunities.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1309 » by DRK » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:29 pm

Zach Randolph anyone? Would add a great option to our half court offence; isolating him on the right block and letting him go to work. Add another dimension to our offence
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1310 » by Sreister » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:39 pm

DRK wrote:Zach Randolph anyone? Would add a great option to our half court offence; isolating him on the right block and letting him go to work. Add another dimension to our offence


I think he's underrated, I like him a lot! But we tried that with Seven Second or Shaq and that didn't work out too well. But then again, we have a coach that could pull it off? I'm in the middle on this one.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1311 » by DRK » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:53 pm

Sreister wrote:
DRK wrote:Zach Randolph anyone? Would add a great option to our half court offence; isolating him on the right block and letting him go to work. Add another dimension to our offence


I think he's underrated, I like him a lot! But we tried that with Seven Second or Shaq and that didn't work out too well. But then again, we have a coach that could pull it off? I'm in the middle on this one.


Randolph is one of my favourite players to watch. He just commands so much respect on the block.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#1312 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:57 pm

Hearing 2 Western Conference teams monitoring Z-Bo's situation & preparing a soft landing for the 2-time All Star should he test free agency
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Post#1313 » by Nando88 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:11 pm

Didn't the suns let it be known towards the trade deadline or after that they inquired about z-Bo?


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Post#1314 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:15 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Some food for thought, if Lebron/Wade/Bosh dont all take a huge paycut, then Miami will be stuck paying the repeater tax this season, which is an absolute killer.


Are you saying the repeater tax would dissuade them from wanting to re-sign LeBron?
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Post#1315 » by wordsenuff » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:36 pm

Nando88 wrote:Didn't the suns let it be known towards the trade deadline or after that they inquired about z-Bo?


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yes, yes we did. so many options, mc d has his work cut out for him.
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Post#1316 » by JJ13 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:40 pm

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Nando88 wrote:Didn't the suns let it be known towards the trade deadline or after that they inquired about z-Bo?


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yes, yes we did. so many options, mc d has his work cut out for him.


McD's challenge will be to piece together a team good enough for 1-4 seed in the West, not just a 5-8 team. West is too stacked not to shoot for the stars, literally. I'm not sold on Z-bo getting us over that hump.
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Post#1317 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:45 pm

I was pushing for Z-Bo at all-star break and I still would love him here. He does everything our current bigs don't: rebounding and low post scoring!
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Post#1318 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Some food for thought, if Lebron/Wade/Bosh dont all take a huge paycut, then Miami will be stuck paying the repeater tax this season, which is an absolute killer.


Are you saying the repeater tax would dissuade them from wanting to re-sign LeBron?


No, just saying if they do try to keep all 3 together, they (Lebron/Wade/Bosh) have to give up major money. If not Miami is looking at paying an extra $30 something million dollars on top of what they have to pay for the luxury tax.

Its seriously insane money that Miami would have to pay, and no owner is willing to do that.
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Post#1319 » by STEV13 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:05 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:I was pushing for Z-Bo at all-star break and I still would love him here. He does everything our current bigs don't: rebounding and low post scoring!


I like Z-Bo too. Could also stretch the floor when he needs to. I just hope he doesn't gas out with all the fast breaks and running we'll surely do.
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Post#1320 » by gaspar » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:13 pm

Nando88 wrote:Didn't the suns let it be known towards the trade deadline or after that they inquired about z-Bo?


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It was a bogus rumor. No one with credibility reported this IIRC. At the trade deadline we were linked with every veteran big man on expiring contract.

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