Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[letsgosuns]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

[bwgood77]

Len took over 100 shots outside of 10 feet last season, made 30% of them.

I think people are wanting Len, Warren, Goodwin, Bledsoe to become good outside shooters, but I'm not sure on what basis they think it's going to suddenly change.

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[RunDogGun]

practice practice practice

Yep, and we have a great shooting head coach, who has helped other players get better at shooting.

[RunDogGun]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

[bwgood77]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

[letsgosuns]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

Well like Carmelo, Marbury put up empty stats. Superstar numbers that did not translate to wins. He dominated the ball so much that no one wanted to play with him. Once him and Hardaway were traded, Joe Johnson took off and the Suns ball movement drastically improved. The following season when the Suns got Nash, they had virtually the exact same team plus Quentin Richardson. If the Suns would have added Richardson to the previous year's team with Marbury, they would have not been any better. Obviously the key was replacing a shoot first point guard like Marbury with a pure point guard like Nash.

It was not the first time it happened with Marbury either. The Suns traded Kidd for Marbury. While the Suns missed the playoffs, the Nets made the finals. The following year the Suns drafted Amare, lost in the first round, while the Nets made the finals again. Marbury consistently put up great numbers but never won a playoff series in his NBA career and his teams were never elite. Carmelo does the same thing. Consistently puts up great numbers but never plays on an elite team. No one wants to sign with the Knicks because no one wants to play with a selfish, volume shooter who is not very efficient. Carmelo is a ball hogging ball stopper that does not play championship style basketball.

[NTB]

Can Booker play as PG for 5-7 mins? If he can play PG, he would get more minutes. But if we are considering to keep one of Bledsoe or Knight in court all the time, then sorry Booker

[RunDogGun]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Someone better inform every stat keeper, because he was number one in 2003 with 719 assists, a year where he did play for the Suns (granted, only 34 games)

[Qwigglez]

^I want to trade Tucker and have Warren start with Weems backing him up. Have Booker come off the bench for Knight, or when Bledsoe comes out and Knight is running point. Booker needs to see minutes, and I expect (hope) he cracks the rotation early in the season.

[RunDogGun]

^I want to trade Tucker and have Warren start with Weems backing him up. Have Booker come off the bench for Knight, or when Bledsoe comes out and Knight is running point. Booker needs to see minutes, and I expect (hope) he cracks the rotation early in the season.

I want to keep our best wing defender in the starting line up, and bring Warren's offense off the bench. With Bledsoe, Knight, and Keef taking the bulk of the shots, we need someone starting that can space the floor, but doesn't take the ball out of other guy's hands.

[NTB]

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2015/08/06/phoenix-suns-dont-overlook-p-j-tuckers-value/

About PJ.

[bigfoot]

Carmelo Anthony is like Stephon Marbury. Really good individual player but does not play team basketball. Incredibly difficult to win with guys like that.

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Better tell that to Kobe.

Personally the Suns don't have a superstar because we don't let any of our players take 18+ shots a game.

[DirtyDez]

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Amare didn't have post game yet and Joe was still in his early 20's and not a great shooter back then. I'm not sure what Steph was supposed to do differently. If you're giving me 20+ ppg on 44% shooting with 8 or so assists I'm not complaining.

[bwgood77]

Didn't Marbury lead the league in assists when he was with the Suns?

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Someone better inform every stat keeper, because he was number one in 2003 with 719 assists, a year where he did play for the Suns (granted, only 34 games)

I was talking per game. I thought you'd be smart enough to realize that. So yes, a year where he played 34 games for us, he was assists leader due to playing in more games than Kidd.

I agree with letsgosuns in the he is kind of like Melo. I think guys like them and Iverson and even Isaiah Thomas get assists, but they don't facilitate a ton of ball movement as they dribble most of the shot clock and either shoot, or pass to someone at the end of the shot clock so they have to shoot it.

[RunDogGun]

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Someone better inform every stat keeper, because he was number one in 2003 with 719 assists, a year where he did play for the Suns (granted, only 34 games)

I was talking per game. I thought you'd be smart enough to realize that. So yes, a year where he played 34 games for us, he was assists leader due to playing in more games than Kidd.

I agree with letsgosuns in the he is kind of like Melo. I think guys like them and Iverson and even Isaiah Thomas get assists, but they don't facilitate a ton of ball movement as they dribble most of the shot clock and either shoot, or pass to someone at the end of the shot clock so they have to shoot it.

Ouch, did you really read my sentence incorrectly (because I never said per game), and then say you thought I'd be smart enough to understand your error? You might want to take responsibility for your own error before you throw out insults. Aren't you a mod?

[bwgood77]

No. One year he finished as high as 4th. The year we traded him mid season he ended up second in assists. But he also took between 17 and 19 shots per game at 43-44% and shot about 3.5 threes a game at 28-31%. You shouldn't shoot that much if you shoot at those percentages.

Amare didn't have post game yet and Joe was still in his early 20's and not a great shooter back then. I'm not sure what Steph was supposed to do differently. If you're giving me 20+ ppg on 44% shooting with 8 or so assists I'm not complaining.

I liked Steph ok, but typically I like more ball movement and the style of play of GS, Atlanta, SA, etc. Not a fan of watching teams with just one guy dominating the ball and shooting every time or passing at the end of the shot clock (Kobe, Melo, Harden, Iverson, Marbury, etc). I didn't complain about him when we had him though and he brought us some exciting moments.

[bwgood77]

Someone better inform every stat keeper, because he was number one in 2003 with 719 assists, a year where he did play for the Suns (granted, only 34 games)

I was talking per game. I thought you'd be smart enough to realize that. So yes, a year where he played 34 games for us, he was assists leader due to playing in more games than Kidd.

I agree with letsgosuns in the he is kind of like Melo. I think guys like them and Iverson and even Isaiah Thomas get assists, but they don't facilitate a ton of ball movement as they dribble most of the shot clock and either shoot, or pass to someone at the end of the shot clock so they have to shoot it.

Ouch, did you really read my sentence incorrectly (because I never said per game), and then say you thought I'd be smart enough to understand your error? You might want to take responsibility for your own error before you throw out insults. Aren't you a mod?

Calm down, my friend. No need to throw a hissy fit. I did admit my error by saying I thought you were talking assists per game. So I misread that. Still surprised you didn't realize what I was talking about though. But that's ok. No need to get in a silly argument about semantics.

[DirtyDez]

Amare didn't have post game yet and Joe was still in his early 20's and not a great shooter back then. I'm not sure what Steph was supposed to do differently. If you're giving me 20+ ppg on 44% shooting with 8 or so assists I'm not complaining.

I liked Steph ok, but typically I like more ball movement and the style of play of GS, Atlanta, SA, etc. Not a fan of watching teams with just one guy dominating the ball and shooting every time or passing at the end of the shot clock (Kobe, Melo, Harden, Iverson, Marbury, etc). I didn't complain about him when we had him though and he brought us some exciting moments.

I liked him too. He didn't really have a giant weakness. Great handle and willing passer, tried on D and was entertaining. I think he gets unfairly hated on because of the guy that followed him. Nash's 6-7 year run would've made any PG look average.

I also think Frank Johnson was in over his head.

[RunDogGun]

I was talking per game. I thought you'd be smart enough to realize that. So yes, a year where he played 34 games for us, he was assists leader due to playing in more games than Kidd.

I agree with letsgosuns in the he is kind of like Melo. I think guys like them and Iverson and even Isaiah Thomas get assists, but they don't facilitate a ton of ball movement as they dribble most of the shot clock and either shoot, or pass to someone at the end of the shot clock so they have to shoot it.

Ouch, did you really read my sentence incorrectly (because I never said per game), and then say you thought I'd be smart enough to understand your error? You might want to take responsibility for your own error before you throw out insults. Aren't you a mod?

Calm down, my friend. No need to throw a hissy fit. I did admit my error by saying I thought you were talking assists per game. So I misread that. Still surprised you didn't realize what I was talking about though. But that's ok. No need to get in a silly argument about semantics.

I was calm, I didn't basically call you stupid, did I? I did realize your error, and corrected it for you. Maybe a bit snidely, but I didn't get rude, did I?

Oh well, I think Marbury was undervalued here.

[Sunsdeuce]

Well there it's is! Bye bye markieff

@BurnsAndGambo: According to @Gambo987's sources, Markieff wants out. He wants nothing to do with the #Suns. Won't talk to players or staff. #NBA


And he won't talk to the other players. So unprofessional. Where's Gambos limo service. Get him out of here.