The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

[TeamTragic]

Mozgov getting $60+ over 4? Lol! This is the best. Who McD got a deal with? You know it's someone we haven't heard had a connection to the organization.

Lakers aiming really high

[carey]

Shams is saying the Knicks are targeting Courtney Lee after Noah, will meet with him tomorrow morning.

[starbosa10]

chandler/knight a bargain now

[starbosa10]

seriously though, Lin is probably going to get more than Knight

[bwgood77]

Wow, Parsons 4/96. I know I said he's better than Barnes, well he got the Barnes max that another team could offer.

[TeamTragic]

Wow, Parsons 4/96. I know I said he's better than Barnes, well he got the Barnes max that another team could offer.

SUNS maxing out Barnes?

[bwgood77]

Wow, Parsons 4/96. I know I said he's better than Barnes, well he got the Barnes max that another team could offer.

SUNS maxing out Barnes?

Not that I know of.

[AtheJ415]

Well, I know what guys who are worth $70M are like. Len hasn't proven to be that.

To me, there's definitely an element of "what have you shown," in addition to "how much more time do you need?"

I think it might be in our best interest to lock down a guy like Aldrich, who doesn't need the ball, and move on from a guy like Len.

I wouldn't mind holding on to him, but I would mind not listening to offers. We should explore it. That's all I'm saying.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see much of a market for him.

Can I Minus 1 this post? Most of your posts only make sense if your only goal is winning this season. They have no allocation for age, and seem to completely disregard future value. I am going to assume you are either super old or have a disease and therefore need to see us win now. Aldrich signing makes sense, but adding Aldrich to move on from Len doesn't. Not in the slightest.

This is the part where you get presumptuous?

I'm 24 years old, and unlike you, I believe in the roster we have right now.

Adding Aldrich to move on from Len makes a lot of sense.

Len: 20.4 Usg%, .482 TS%, 8.5 Ast%, 17.7 TRB%, 1 STL%, 2.8 BLK%, .035 WS/48, 107 DRtg
Aldrich: 18.4 Usg%, .626 TS%, 10.0 Ast%, 19.6 TRB%, 2.9 STL%, 6.7 BLK%, .209 WS/48, 94 DRtg

There couldn't be a bigger difference.

You see, being nearly the same age as Alex Len, I know that both he and I need more time. 23 really isn't that old. I believe in him, but few teams keep all of their drafted players.

I don't think Alex is a Rudy Gobert type. He seems to be someone whose value is predicated on scoring. He's not an efficient scorer, and it would slow down our pace to incorporate his style into our offense.

I like him, which I've said several times, but I don't know if he's worth the investment. He hasn't proven much yet. Of course I don't have a problem with us seeing how the season goes, but come extension time, my gut tells me that it will make more sense for us to move him. We have Bender, and it's not like we're not young enough. Our youth movement can succeed with Booker, Warren, Bender, Chriss and Ulis. I don't know how much we'll have to pay Len, but most likely, I think it'll be too much for a guy whose scoring we don't need. He won't have an opportunity with the ball in his hands, assuming everyone stays healthy, so I don't even know if he gets a chance to prove it.

Aldrich and Chandler, two of the best per minute big men in the league, for $20M a year? Please. We would have the best center combo, if not a top 5 combo, in the league for at least the next three years. Hard to pass up. Doubt that Len could give us more.

No. He's not. He's simply not.

And no. They're not. They're simply not.

And no. Dear God. Dear God no.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Any chance Len accepts less than $16m now?

[TeamTragic]

Any chance Len accepts less than $16m now?

[AtheJ415]

Word is the Raptors have to get rid of a big contract player if they want to re-sign both DeRozen & Biyombo, which reportedly they do. Their biggest contract has also been their biggest letdown of the season. DeMarre Carroll.



I wonder if they would give up on him that easy and if we could get him healthy and keep him healthy. He has 4 years remaining on his contract, which gives us 4 years to develop Bender or Chriss into our future starting SF.

In what way is Marquise Chriss ever going to be an NBA SF? Bender I can somewhat understand, but no freaking way on Chriss. Chriss is a PF through and through. He's closer to a future 5 than a 3. The NBA is trending positionless with guys playing up, not forcing bigs to play the 3.

I'd be okay with Carroll, so long as Tucker is moved. Move Chandler too. Carroll could bring Warren along and Bender and Chriss can man the 4 with some backup 5 minutes to Len.

So you can see the less athletic, 2.5" taller Rookie as a possibility at SF, but the guy who's proven to be able to shoot from outside (in games for long stretches), and by all accounts, is more athletic and if coached up properly, will be able to 'cover' the smaller, more agile 3s--that player you can't see as a 3?

LeBron James is nearly 6'9" and 250lbs. I don't know, but I'd feel better having the hyper-athletic, 6'10" 235lb guy covering LeBron more so than the average athletic, 7'.5" 216lb "bean pole" try to cover LeBron.

Chriss is closer in height and closer in athleticism than Bender, so I don't see how you can see Bender as being the better SF candidate.

No. I'm saying the guy who is already an unusually good defender and who has proven he can guard wings in spurts and who can handle the ball and pass like a wing is a better fit for SF than a super athletic but incredibly raw guy who has proven to foul at a near historic rate because he tries to block everything in site and has never played the 3 or on the wing in his entire basketball life, which is a whopping 5 years long.

If you want Chriss playing the 3 from scratch and learning an entirely new position while transitioning to the NBA. Okay, but that's a near guarantee to cap his upside and kill his career.

[DirtyDez]

Wow, Parsons 4/96. I know I said he's better than Barnes, well he got the Barnes max that another team could offer.

SUNS maxing out Barnes?

Are you just typing random things with emoticons? Where is anyone seeing Suns maxing out Barnes?

[sunsbum]

So its pretty clear Mcd is a better GM than all of us being that he 100% knew trading that protected pick for BK then signing him to a 70m dollar deal that would end up being one of the btter contracts in basktball when all is said and done. This is another reason why he didnt think twice about signing TC to his contract, it was a win/win...possibly lure LA, if not we still have vet leadership and a contract that will look great after next year.

[rsavaj]

I'm still on the Knight for Rubio trade, or a Knight/Chandler for Rubio/Pekovic trade if Minny wants to dump Pekovic entirely and get some toughness up front.

That's a trade worth doing, but Rubio and Bledsoe both deserve to start, but I don't think I'd want to start them together. Booker certainly deserves to start but I don't want him starting at the 3.

I completely disagree here. Pekovic is awful, and while expiring, Tyson's deal is going to become normal in 5 hours once Noah inks that $18 mil and TJ his $10 mil. We ought to be able to, at worst, dump Tyson for nothing.

Knight has value. He's only 24, and while we all hate watching him, he's worth a pick or 2 today imo, and probably worth more in 5 hours when Tyler Johnson sets the market.

Rubio does everything well except shoot, but that shot is a mammoth, mammoth negative that makes him a barely above neutral player.

if you check his RPM and on/off numbers he actually has a high positive impact, much moreso than Knight

[jredsaz]

Have not heard anything about Barnes or the Suns. Coincidence? Probably

[AtheJ415]

That's a trade worth doing, but Rubio and Bledsoe both deserve to start, but I don't think I'd want to start them together. Booker certainly deserves to start but I don't want him starting at the 3.

I completely disagree here. Pekovic is awful, and while expiring, Tyson's deal is going to become normal in 5 hours once Noah inks that $18 mil and TJ his $10 mil. We ought to be able to, at worst, dump Tyson for nothing.

Knight has value. He's only 24, and while we all hate watching him, he's worth a pick or 2 today imo, and probably worth more in 5 hours when Tyler Johnson sets the market.

Rubio does everything well except shoot, but that shot is a mammoth, mammoth negative that makes him a barely above neutral player.

Rubio's shooting has improved a bit. While shooting around 33% from 3 isn't great, Knight's 34% isn't much better. Rubio is one of the best passers and pg defenders in the league. Better than Bledsoe at both. I wouldn't do the trade because we have Bledsoe, but if we didn't, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Rubio would make all our players and he obviously doesn't play hero ball or decide to take possessions off. While his defenders might sag, he gets the team REALLY going...Minnesota, with the 5th worst record in the league this year, actually outscored opponents when he was on the floor. He makes THAT big of a difference, particularly with young guys. For our team at this point, he would be great to get them going.

Rubio doesn't get guarded on the perimeter. He's rondo-esque. His guy sucks off to nearly double whoever has the ball and dares him to shoot. I don't think he's even comparable as a shooter to Knight, who while he takes awful shots, must be guarded legitimately.

Knight and Tyson's deals are becoming steals with every passing minute. We should trade them for picks or something that's a clear upgrade. Rubio is a worse player than Bledsoe imo, with lower upside too because I have no faith that he will fix his shot at this point. His arch and form are wonky imo, and he's had many offseasons to improve it/fix it.

[bwgood77]

Any chance Len accepts less than $16m now?

If people think this year is bad, next year will be worse. If he plays well at all, he will likely get that much.

[Kerrsed]

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[TeamTragic]

Any chance Len accepts less than $16m now?

If people think this year is bad, next year will be worse. If he plays well at all, he will likely get that much.

He won't. We will end up trading him.

[8on]

really? smells like the end of PJ[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/748748364527788032[/tweet]