Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[lilfishi22]

I'm perfectly OK sitting Bledsoe until the deadline.

Who cares about reputation? We're 2 years away from even being considered by any legit free agents.

We need to avoid Klutch players going forward, acquire only guys with good character, and then take care of our current good character players. That's how we will rebuild our reputation.

Reputation matters because it reflects the current state of the organization, it's operations and culture. Sometimes reputation is inaccurate, not fair. In the case of Sarver, McD and the Suns, the rep is spot on.

Continue operating a franchise like this and our current players will be unhappy in the future, just like Bled is now.

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Our reputation stinks, there's not denying it. But sitting Bledsoe until we find a deal won't have the lasting effect on this organisation you think it will. I agree with you that it's not good to sit him for too long but if FA's are going to avoid us or our own FA decides not to deal with us, it'll be because of a multitude of factors mainly ownership, direction, roster, money and not because of how we dealt with the Bledsoe situation. Could it alienate some of our young players? Possibly but if the direction is good, the roster is solid, we're competitive and we have money to offer, ultimately they won't care what happened to a player that wanted out

[jredsaz]

I'm perfectly OK sitting Bledsoe until the deadline.

Who cares about reputation? We're 2 years away from even being considered by any legit free agents.

We need to avoid Klutch players going forward, acquire only guys with good character, and then take care of our current good character players. That's how we will rebuild our reputation.

Reputation matters because it reflects the current state of the organization, it's operations and culture. Sometimes reputation is inaccurate, not fair. In the case of Sarver, McD and the Suns, the rep is spot on.

Continue operating a franchise like this and our current players will be unhappy in the future, just like Bled is now.

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Our reputation stinks, there's not denying it. But sitting Bledsoe until we find a deal won't have the lasting effect on this organisation you think it will. I agree with you that it's not good to sit him for too long but if FA's are going to avoid us or our own FA decides not to deal with us, it'll be because of a multitude of factors mainly ownership, direction, roster, money and not because of how we dealt with the Bledsoe situation. Could it alienate some of our young players? Possibly but if the direction is good, the roster is solid, we're competitive and we have money to offer, ultimately they won't care what happened to a player that wanted out

The problem is that it is a continued pattern. If the Suns continue to handle the Bledsoe situation badly, as they have other situations in the past, why won't we **** up the next personnel problem that comes up?

Secondarily, Bledsoe's value has already been diminished. I don't believe the difference between what we get now versus what we get later will be significant enough to justify this kind of action.

If this team doesn't change the way it operates it will continue to lose. If Sarver will not sell he needs to change how he operates the Suns. This is a perfect example of that.

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[ATTL]

Worst case scenario, we'll take a 1st, Beasley, Juancho, Arthur and Mudiay from Denver for Bledsoe.

So, essentially 4 #1's for Bledsoe ???

****, keep Beasley and mudiay if you're hung up on 4 "#1's". Them being first rounders stops mattering once they start playing. Does jokic have less value than mudiay because one was a lotto pick and the other a second rounder?

[lilfishi22]

Spoiler:

Reputation matters because it reflects the current state of the organization, it's operations and culture. Sometimes reputation is inaccurate, not fair. In the case of Sarver, McD and the Suns, the rep is spot on.

Continue operating a franchise like this and our current players will be unhappy in the future, just like Bled is now.

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Our reputation stinks, there's not denying it. But sitting Bledsoe until we find a deal won't have the lasting effect on this organisation you think it will. I agree with you that it's not good to sit him for too long but if FA's are going to avoid us or our own FA decides not to deal with us, it'll be because of a multitude of factors mainly ownership, direction, roster, money and not because of how we dealt with the Bledsoe situation. Could it alienate some of our young players? Possibly but if the direction is good, the roster is solid, we're competitive and we have money to offer, ultimately they won't care what happened to a player that wanted out

The problem is that it is a continued pattern. If the Suns continue to handle the Bledsoe situation badly, as they have other situations in the past, why won't we **** up the next personnel problem that comes up?

Secondarily, Bledsoe's value has already been diminished. I don't believe the difference between what we get now versus what we get later will be significant enough to justify this kind of action.

If this team doesn't change the way it operates it will continue to lose. If Sarver will not sell he needs to change how he operates the Suns. This is a perfect example of that.

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To address your first and second point, the damage done to Bledsoe's value is...done. It's likely at its lowest its ever been since he's been a Sun. That value won't go up unless two things happen: he plays like an all star for us again or a team gets desperate looking for a talent injection as we move further into the season. The first option is looking very unlikely since we're playing well without him and Bledsoe/Rich Paul is going to come back begging for PT again. The second is more likely because we've seen it happen every season. The problem with dealing ASAP is that teams have little urgency at this early point in the season. They are still working out their rotations and a decent percentage of trade assets are ineligible for a trade since they've only just been signed.

The Cavs are a good example of a team who could really use another scorer (either Bledsoe or IT off the bench) and right now they aren't looking to put their Brooklyn pick on the table. If by December they are still hovering below .600 (unlikely but possible) and with enough whinging from Lebron, they might look at Bledsoe and put the Brooklyn pick on the table.

In our situation, it's a bit of a rare case where we somehow play better without our 'star' player so we don't have a desperate need to replace him.

[jredsaz]

Spoiler:

Our reputation stinks, there's not denying it. But sitting Bledsoe until we find a deal won't have the lasting effect on this organisation you think it will. I agree with you that it's not good to sit him for too long but if FA's are going to avoid us or our own FA decides not to deal with us, it'll be because of a multitude of factors mainly ownership, direction, roster, money and not because of how we dealt with the Bledsoe situation. Could it alienate some of our young players? Possibly but if the direction is good, the roster is solid, we're competitive and we have money to offer, ultimately they won't care what happened to a player that wanted out

The problem is that it is a continued pattern. If the Suns continue to handle the Bledsoe situation badly, as they have other situations in the past, why won't we **** up the next personnel problem that comes up?

Secondarily, Bledsoe's value has already been diminished. I don't believe the difference between what we get now versus what we get later will be significant enough to justify this kind of action.

If this team doesn't change the way it operates it will continue to lose. If Sarver will not sell he needs to change how he operates the Suns. This is a perfect example of that.

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To address your first and second point, the damage done to Bledsoe's value is...done. It's likely at its lowest its ever been since he's been a Sun. That value won't go up unless two things happen: he plays like an all star for us again or a team gets desperate looking for a talent injection as we move further into the season. The first option is looking very unlikely since we're playing well without him and Bledsoe/Rich Paul is going to come back begging for PT again. The second is more likely because we've seen it happen every season. The problem with dealing ASAP is that teams have little urgency at this early point in the season. They are still working out their rotations and a decent percentage of trade assets are ineligible for a trade since they've only just been signed.

The Cavs are a good example of a team who could really use another scorer (either Bledsoe or IT off the bench) and right now they aren't looking to put their Brooklyn pick on the table. If by December they are still hovering below .600 (unlikely but possible) and with enough whinging from Lebron, they might look at Bledsoe and put the Brooklyn pick on the table.

In our situation, it's a bit of a rare case where we somehow play better without our 'star' player so we don't have a desperate need to replace him.

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I hope it gets done soon but do understand the potential advantages in waiting.

But the larger point is it whatba huge **** up getting to this point is. If they knew they were going to sit him he should have been dealt at the deadline last year and if not then, then absolutely this summer. Its not like this wasn't somewhat predictable. Its been a common theme of this regime to be unable to see some pretty obvious signs that chemistry/player issues were brewing. Each situation has had its own circumstances but none were completely out of left field.

Now the rep can change pretty quick if say sarver fires everyone hires a strong president of basketball operations and gets the hell out of the way. Selling would be great too but doubt that happens.

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[lilfishi22]

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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I think we both agree a change is needed. But if our reputation already stinks why not wait for a good deal to come around? A month, two months, half a season won't change our reputation but a good trade could change our fortune going forward.

Making a trade just to make a trade *now* would be a shortsighted move.

[Son of Ra]

I hope it gets done soon but do understand the potential advantages in waiting.

But the larger point is it whatba huge **** up getting to this point is. If they knew they were going to sit him he should have been dealt at the deadline last year and if not then, then absolutely this summer. Its not like this wasn't somewhat predictable. Its been a common theme of this regime to be unable to see some pretty obvious signs that chemistry/player issues were brewing. Each situation has had its own circumstances but none were completely out of left field.

Now the rep can change pretty quick if say sarver fires everyone hires a strong president of basketball operations and gets the hell out of the way. Selling would be great too but doubt that happens.

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I disagree, I know the sample size is small, but we've looked very good the three games we had a real coach. Now imagine we would be playing with a tuned in Bledsoe.
After sitting him and nabbing Jackson as a result we would solidly be out of rebuild Phase I if he was aboard.
While I don't like him as a player and am happy to see him go I think the was a good move roster building wise. At one point you have to stop pawning off assets.

[Mulhollanddrive]

To me the best thing to do is imagine Josh Jackson is disgruntled in 2 years. What do you wish you did to Bledsoe back then now? To me playing into the players / agents hands for the 6th time will not help prevent the 7th.

I'd suspend him and make him earn his way back by playing hard in practice and demonstrating team first behaviour, give public comments if necessary if he doesn't commit, every public comment questioning his character will hurt his value, give him no choice but to earn his way back into a neutral starting point rather than giving him an easy escape. And once that's done trade him to Sacramento where they're basically us but with DeAaron Fox in front of him forever.

Good luck to the 7th player after that.

[cberry78]

its time a deal gets done. come on Ryan - lets move on from Bledsoe already

Benching him at the end of last year and now sending him home to sit and wait for a trade dosent reflect well on the organization from a players peespective. We might end up with more value in a trade if we wait but the longer he is prevented from playing ball the worse it looks.

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Yeah, me too. It is rather apt though. Glad I'm not the only one who saw that.

[Revived]

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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I think we both agree a change is needed. But if our reputation already stinks why not wait for a good deal to come around? A month, two months, half a season won't change our reputation but a good trade could change our fortune going forward.

Making a trade just to make a trade *now* would be a shortsighted move.

The Suns don't have legal basis to keep Bledsoe at home for 1-2 months like that.

If Paul files a grieveance with the NBPA about this then Suns would be screwed.

Bledsoe isn't under any kind of official suspension so they can't just banish him from the team and from playing for such a long period of time without cause.

[alamin330]

Benching him at the end of last year and now sending him home to sit and wait for a trade dosent reflect well on the organization from a players peespective. We might end up with more value in a trade if we wait but the longer he is prevented from playing ball the worse it looks.

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Yeah, me too. It is rather apt though. Glad I'm not the only one who saw that.

I would almost guarantee you that the young guys on the suns and maybe the vets too are happy bled is not on the team. Those guys want someone who’s going to help them win and be better players. Bledsoe did neither of those things plus he quit on them. You’re giving Bledsoe too much credit as a great human being. Obviously not many on the team like him as it’s showing in their play lately.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We're at $102m for next season.

I think McDonough will try to get a Monroe type so that we turn $5m cap space into $20m.

[bigfoot]

I'm not really worried about how Bledsoe's absence impacts the Suns ... there are a lot of behind the scenes things to consider:

1) Bledsoe never appreciated Booker being pushed as "The Face of the Franchise" for the Suns last year. Most folks recognize this.
2) Being benched to give playing time to young guys at season's end is nothing new. It has been done before and will happen again
3) Booker will have a significantly higher impact attracting free agents by talking with them than Bledsoe ever may have by his sitting on his butt at home.
4) Winning solves problems and Bledsoe clearly wasn't committed to winning this year and never led the team to a winning season during his tenure.

[Saberestar]

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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I think we both agree a change is needed. But if our reputation already stinks why not wait for a good deal to come around? A month, two months, half a season won't change our reputation but a good trade could change our fortune going forward.

Making a trade just to make a trade *now* would be a shortsighted move.

The Suns don't have legal basis to keep Bledsoe at home for 1-2 months like that.

If Paul files a grieveance with the NBPA about this then Suns would be screwed.

Bledsoe isn't under any kind of official suspension so they can't just banish him from the team and from playing for such a long period of time without cause.

This is true.

If he is not with the team he is gonna be traded in a short period of time, for sure. This week at most IMO.

[JJ13]

WHats the story with zizic? He was considered a prize in the kyrie trade. Would the Blazers pic (cavs own) and Zizic (plus expiring) be considered a win?

[phx#7]

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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I think we both agree a change is needed. But if our reputation already stinks why not wait for a good deal to come around? A month, two months, half a season won't change our reputation but a good trade could change our fortune going forward.

Making a trade just to make a trade *now* would be a shortsighted move.

The Suns don't have legal basis to keep Bledsoe at home for 1-2 months like that.

If Paul files a grieveance with the NBPA about this then Suns would be screwed.

Bledsoe isn't under any kind of official suspension so they can't just banish him from the team and from playing for such a long period of time without cause.

The Suns are under no obligation to play Bledsoe or have him with the team as long as they pay him. Does nobody remember how the Suns ended up with Tim Thomas?

His reps could certainly file a grievance, but now that he's come out publicly about not wanting to be with the team he doesn't have much of a case. Does anyone honestly think if Paul had any legal leverage he wouldn't be using it?

[BobbieL]

WHats the story with zizic? He was considered a prize in the kyrie trade. Would the Blazers pic (cavs own) and Zizic (plus expiring) be considered a win?

I have thought of that deal. Shumpert, Frye,, Zizic, Cavs pick for Bledsoe and players to match. Or Frye and Shumpert are bought out.

[WeekapaugGroove]

WHats the story with zizic? He was considered a prize in the kyrie trade. Would the Blazers pic (cavs own) and Zizic (plus expiring) be considered a win?

I have thought of that deal. Shumpert, Frye,, Zizic, Cavs pick for Bledsoe and players to match. Or Frye and Shumpert are bought out.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is the deal that actually happens.

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[ATTL]

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I'm a fan of zizic, I really liked him in 2016 and thought he might have been available with our 2nd rounder. Any trade with the cavs I'd want him coming back.