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[WeekapaugGroove]

Prediction: Warren and Jackson to Detroit for Reggie Jackson and like a 2nd rounder.

It's basically a cash nutral deal for this year and Reggie expires after this season.

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[bwgood77]

I think people are over valuing Warren here. Dude has game. No denying. But something ain't right with the dude one way or the other.

Missed a lot of mysterious time over multiple seasons. League knows this. Lets not all renew the Archie Goodwin scenario. Sometimes you gotta cut n run.

Resign Oubre who seems to want to be here and played well, draft best of what is there at 6 (I'm convinced it's White if avail) and play rest out as offseason progresses.

Your post makes sense and is smart. But isnt TJ worth the risk for certain teams where he fits a specific need they have?

Sure, we are like a farm system for the good teams. Now that he was among the top 10 in the league in 3 pt % and had a 58% TS% a lot of teams will likely want to utilize that nba skill set. Won't be surprised to see him battling in the playoffs next year.

I'm getting used to watching the guys we trade off battle for teams in the playoffs.

[Slim Charless]

Oubre makes the suns better. His being a RFA doesn’t really matter to the suns except for his cap hold. If we renounce him and get no free agents then it’s all for nothing. Leave oubre alone and resign him at the end of free agency. This team is set up for internal improvements. We’re all expecting some lord and savior free agent to come rescue our team but what if booker takes a Kobe-esque step next season and ayton a D ROB or Shaq step and oubre a pippen-esque step. Suns already have really good young pieces. The goal is to be competitive not sign stop gap free agents. I say resign oubre at all costs as we have his bird rights anyway so we can go over the cap for him. If Tyler Johnson doesn’t want to cooperate stretch him or trade him. But coming from the Heat org I believe Johnson is team oriented and understands we can’t get better unless he opts out.

Pippen?! Did you just compare KO to 1 of the NBAs greatest defensive players ever? He has talent but wow. I would argue he's not even the best on his own team. Bridges has way more potential and won't cost us 15/yr.

Also I would'nt call a Dlo signing stop gap. He's easily the best FA we can hope for while filling a huge need and being Bookers best friend.

Lol. I love how people ignore certain things to help their arguments. There’s a reason I said “esque” at the end of it. Because he’s not quite as good but has similarities.
Letting go of oubre to sign DLo I think is a move that keeps the suns the same.
If your company offers you a 4-5 year extension for about 10 mil a year are you going to risk that for 9 extra mil for 1 year and possible injury that lowers your future earnings? Greed is a sin and karma doesn’t discriminate. It’s tylers right to that 19 mil but if he says I want my money I’m not helping even though the team is willing to compensate him karma will come back to bite him I gurantee it.

They have similarities in that they both play SF and latter part of their first names sound somewhat alike. Otherwise this comparison is crazy. Even Kawhi-who just carried Toronto to a chip. As good as Kawhi has been, he is not on Scottie's level. To that second part about KO=Dlo as far as wins are concerned, maybe in the 1st year it doesn't make as much of a difference but multiple years down the road is a different story. You can't see how opening up the 3 for Bridges-while not getting rid of Warren/Jackson is better then paying KO 15/yr and having Bridges get whatever mins he can? Or how finally having a legitimate PG on the roster who's been in the league a few years and who is coming off an all-star appearance is better then gambling on Garland or White?

If you're talking about getting rid of Tyler's deal then Im 100% behind that. We should of never gotten him in the 1st place.

[bhawk]

I think people are over valuing Warren here. Dude has game. No denying. But something ain't right with the dude one way or the other.

Missed a lot of mysterious time over multiple seasons. League knows this. Lets not all renew the Archie Goodwin scenario. Sometimes you gotta cut n run.

Resign Oubre who seems to want to be here and played well, draft best of what is there at 6 (I'm convinced it's White if avail) and play rest out as offseason progresses.

Completely agree on Warren. TJ is in like his 5th year with the Suns and has never moved the needle for us. He has flashed and is a solid NBA role player, but my personal observation is that he has distracted with his weird and defensive personality. His mysterious head injuries, cryptic tweets and "RIP girlfriend" are just... off. I think this will be addition by subtraction.

I wanted to give JJ some more time, but man, the dude is just too immature right now. Yeah, we all know that you have had 10 coaches in 2 years... cry me a river. Take some responsibility and grow up. I still think he will be good... just not for the Suns. In fact, I like Oubre better in 3 months with the Suns than JJ in 2 years.

[lilfishi22]

Prediction: Warren and Jackson to Detroit for Reggie Jackson and like a 2nd rounder.

It's basically a cash nutral deal for this year and Reggie expires after this season.

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Not sure what that achieves though. It's not a salary dump and we already have an $19m PG on the books.

[Phnxsports]

I think people are over valuing Warren here. Dude has game. No denying. But something ain't right with the dude one way or the other.

Missed a lot of mysterious time over multiple seasons. League knows this. Lets not all renew the Archie Goodwin scenario. Sometimes you gotta cut n run.

Resign Oubre who seems to want to be here and played well, draft best of what is there at 6 (I'm convinced it's White if avail) and play rest out as offseason progresses.

Clearly not an Archie Goodwin scenario. Archie never proved he was any good. Warren is a proven NBA player and not just a guy that can stick around on the end of rosters. He's a legitimately productive and effective NBA player and has been for much of his career and more so now that he has real 3PT range. It's fine if you think he gets overvalued here but let's not undervalue him to the point of being a salary dump candidate.

To me it's clear. Suns fans think the world of the guy and I think the rest of the league doesn't.

[bhawk]

Here's food for thought on JJ... his ceiling is Kelly Oubre. Give me Kelly.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I hope that they know what they're doing?

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[alamin330]

What if James Jones got word from a free agent to clear cap space to offer a max. If they trade tj and jj for cap space something else is probably happening

[lilfishi22]

I think people are over valuing Warren here. Dude has game. No denying. But something ain't right with the dude one way or the other.

Missed a lot of mysterious time over multiple seasons. League knows this. Lets not all renew the Archie Goodwin scenario. Sometimes you gotta cut n run.

Resign Oubre who seems to want to be here and played well, draft best of what is there at 6 (I'm convinced it's White if avail) and play rest out as offseason progresses.

Completely agree on Warren. TJ is in like his 5th year with the Suns and has never moved the needle for us. He has flashed and is a solid NBA role player, but my personal observation is that he has distracted with his weird and defensive personality. His mysterious head injuries, cryptic tweets and "RIP girlfriend" are just... off. I think this will be addition by subtraction.

I wanted to give JJ some more time, but man, the dude is just too immature right now. Yeah, we all know that you have had 10 coaches in 2 years... cry me a river. Take some responsibility and grow up. I still think he will be good... just not for the Suns. In fact, I like Oubre better in 3 months with the Suns than JJ in 2 years.

In 5 seasons, who has? Booker certainly hasn't because we've been one of the worst teams in the league for essentially his entire tenure. If your basis is that we haven't won anything since TJ has been on the team then virtually no one has moved the needle for us. TJ is a good NBA player, on a reasonable deal, on a team that needs shooting and reliable points and he's proven he can do that for us. Why are we getting rid of players because you think he's.....weird?

lol I don't think TJ is all that and I'm concerned about his injury history but damn people here are really overlooking the fact that we don't exactly have a roster of legitimately proven NBA players on this team and they want to just dump one of few proven ones?

[bwgood77]

Prediction: Warren and Jackson to Detroit for Reggie Jackson and like a 2nd rounder.

It's basically a cash nutral deal for this year and Reggie expires after this season.

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Not sure what that achieves though. It's not a salary dump and we already have an $19m PG on the books.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Detroit either. They don't really have another PG. Their two best players are frontcourt guys. They just got rid of a small forward that was a bust for them in Stanley Johnson so may not be eager in taking someone like Jackson.

Reggie Jackson had his best year in like 3 years too. I guess if they really want to bring back Ish Smith they may have his bird rights..they are over the cap though.

All their young guys are wings too...Kennard, Bruce Brown, Mykhailuck, Bruce Brown, Khyri Thomas, etc.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Prediction: Warren and Jackson to Detroit for Reggie Jackson and like a 2nd rounder.

It's basically a cash nutral deal for this year and Reggie expires after this season.

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Not sure what that achieves though. It's not a salary dump and we already have an $19m PG on the books.

Not my favorite trade but just something I'm predicting with the bower Detroit connection.

Basically it's a deck chair shuffle that gets them a 1 year starter at PG and moves two guys they don't want anymore. Clears Warrens future years and gets rid of the decision to pick up Jacksons 4th year.

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[Blonde]

Hope we’re not clearing space just to sign vets that we’ll be looking to trade or salary dump again in 6 months.

[bhawk]

I think people are over valuing Warren here. Dude has game. No denying. But something ain't right with the dude one way or the other.

Missed a lot of mysterious time over multiple seasons. League knows this. Lets not all renew the Archie Goodwin scenario. Sometimes you gotta cut n run.

Resign Oubre who seems to want to be here and played well, draft best of what is there at 6 (I'm convinced it's White if avail) and play rest out as offseason progresses.

Completely agree on Warren. TJ is in like his 5th year with the Suns and has never moved the needle for us. He has flashed and is a solid NBA role player, but my personal observation is that he has distracted with his weird and defensive personality. His mysterious head injuries, cryptic tweets and "RIP girlfriend" are just... off. I think this will be addition by subtraction.

I wanted to give JJ some more time, but man, the dude is just too immature right now. Yeah, we all know that you have had 10 coaches in 2 years... cry me a river. Take some responsibility and grow up. I still think he will be good... just not for the Suns. In fact, I like Oubre better in 3 months with the Suns than JJ in 2 years.

In 5 seasons, who has? Booker certainly hasn't because we've been one of the worst teams in the league for essentially his entire tenure. If your basis is that we haven't won anything since TJ has been on the team then virtually no one has moved the needle for us. TJ is a good NBA player, on a reasonable deal, on a team that needs shooting and reliable points and he's proven he can do that for us. Why are we getting rid of players because you think he's.....weird?

lol I don't think TJ is all that and I'm concerned about his injury history but damn people here are really overlooking the fact that we don't exactly have a roster of legitimately proven NBA players on this team and they want to just dump one of few proven ones?

Great point. Our team has sucked for 5 years and it isn't all Warren's fault. I agree that TJ an average-good NBA player. His deal is reasonable. He can contribute reliable points. Bender didn't move the needle, JJ hasn't, Len didn't, Chriss was a bust. The only players that have the potential to move the needle are Booker and Ayton... maybe Oubre? That's it. Pretty sad.

Also I'm not the one "getting rid" of Warren, but the Suns may be. I do support the potential TJ move, because of the sum total of mysterious distractions that we have all observed. He is just a guy to me. Let's get a different guy who fits in a little better. This is my personal opinion, and I do respect yours.

[KLEON]

F U Jones if you trade TJ

[Waylay13]

F U Jones if you trade TJ

Oh come on lets not get personal for trading our best trade piece.

[bwgood77]

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[Wilber85]

Completely agree on Warren. TJ is in like his 5th year with the Suns and has never moved the needle for us. He has flashed and is a solid NBA role player, but my personal observation is that he has distracted with his weird and defensive personality. His mysterious head injuries, cryptic tweets and "RIP girlfriend" are just... off. I think this will be addition by subtraction.

I wanted to give JJ some more time, but man, the dude is just too immature right now. Yeah, we all know that you have had 10 coaches in 2 years... cry me a river. Take some responsibility and grow up. I still think he will be good... just not for the Suns. In fact, I like Oubre better in 3 months with the Suns than JJ in 2 years.

In 5 seasons, who has? Booker certainly hasn't because we've been one of the worst teams in the league for essentially his entire tenure. If your basis is that we haven't won anything since TJ has been on the team then virtually no one has moved the needle for us. TJ is a good NBA player, on a reasonable deal, on a team that needs shooting and reliable points and he's proven he can do that for us. Why are we getting rid of players because you think he's.....weird?

lol I don't think TJ is all that and I'm concerned about his injury history but damn people here are really overlooking the fact that we don't exactly have a roster of legitimately proven NBA players on this team and they want to just dump one of few proven ones?

Great point. Our team has sucked for 5 years and it isn't all Warren's fault. I agree that TJ an average-good NBA player. His deal is reasonable. He can contribute reliable points. Bender didn't move the needle, JJ hasn't, Len didn't, Chriss was a bust. The only players that have the potential to move the needle are Booker and Ayton... maybe Oubre? That's it. Pretty sad.

Also I'm not the one "getting rid" of Warren, but the Suns may be. I do support the potential TJ move, because of the sum total of mysterious distractions that we have all observed. He is just a guy to me. Let's get a different guy who fits in a little better. This is my personal opinion, and I do respect yours.

I blame Booker. As the #1 and superstar, he hasn't done anything to prove to be a leader, and hasn't taken the team to the next level at all.

An example Kemba Walker led 2015-2016 hornets to 48-34. Why hasn't a star like booker been able to get us close to playoffs or above .500

I think we do what we can to bring in a leader, vet.

[Kerrsed]

In 5 seasons, who has? Booker certainly hasn't because we've been one of the worst teams in the league for essentially his entire tenure. If your basis is that we haven't won anything since TJ has been on the team then virtually no one has moved the needle for us. TJ is a good NBA player, on a reasonable deal, on a team that needs shooting and reliable points and he's proven he can do that for us. Why are we getting rid of players because you think he's.....weird?

lol I don't think TJ is all that and I'm concerned about his injury history but damn people here are really overlooking the fact that we don't exactly have a roster of legitimately proven NBA players on this team and they want to just dump one of few proven ones?

Great point. Our team has sucked for 5 years and it isn't all Warren's fault. I agree that TJ an average-good NBA player. His deal is reasonable. He can contribute reliable points. Bender didn't move the needle, JJ hasn't, Len didn't, Chriss was a bust. The only players that have the potential to move the needle are Booker and Ayton... maybe Oubre? That's it. Pretty sad.

Also I'm not the one "getting rid" of Warren, but the Suns may be. I do support the potential TJ move, because of the sum total of mysterious distractions that we have all observed. He is just a guy to me. Let's get a different guy who fits in a little better. This is my personal opinion, and I do respect yours.

I blame Booker. As the #1 and superstar, he hasn't done anything to prove to be a leader, and hasn't taken the team to the next level at all.

An example Kemba Walker led 2015-2016 hornets to 48-34. Why hasn't a star like booker been able to get us close to playoffs or above .500

I think we do what we can to bring in a leader, vet.

We play in the West.

[bwoolf2]

In 5 seasons, who has? Booker certainly hasn't because we've been one of the worst teams in the league for essentially his entire tenure. If your basis is that we haven't won anything since TJ has been on the team then virtually no one has moved the needle for us. TJ is a good NBA player, on a reasonable deal, on a team that needs shooting and reliable points and he's proven he can do that for us. Why are we getting rid of players because you think he's.....weird?

lol I don't think TJ is all that and I'm concerned about his injury history but damn people here are really overlooking the fact that we don't exactly have a roster of legitimately proven NBA players on this team and they want to just dump one of few proven ones?

Great point. Our team has sucked for 5 years and it isn't all Warren's fault. I agree that TJ an average-good NBA player. His deal is reasonable. He can contribute reliable points. Bender didn't move the needle, JJ hasn't, Len didn't, Chriss was a bust. The only players that have the potential to move the needle are Booker and Ayton... maybe Oubre? That's it. Pretty sad.

Also I'm not the one "getting rid" of Warren, but the Suns may be. I do support the potential TJ move, because of the sum total of mysterious distractions that we have all observed. He is just a guy to me. Let's get a different guy who fits in a little better. This is my personal opinion, and I do respect yours.

I blame Booker. As the #1 and superstar, he hasn't done anything to prove to be a leader, and hasn't taken the team to the next level at all.

An example Kemba Walker led 2015-2016 hornets to 48-34. Why hasn't a star like booker been able to get us close to playoffs or above .500

I think we do what we can to bring in a leader, vet.

To be fair Kemba was 26 years old at the time Booker is only 22, give him 4 more years