2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[lilfishi22]

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

I don't have an issue with a buyout to be honest. Theres a non-zero chance we'll pay him less to go away and he'll have an opportunity to recoup his own value as well for his next contract if he wants to avoid a vet min.

I'm also not against packaging him with some draft capital. Nothing significant of course but if we can turn him into a few smaller, more tradeable assets, that's not a bad use of a draft pick.

The only thing I'm absolutely against is trading for an even worse contract like an Embiid or a PG or the stretch and waive.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[SunsRback4Good]

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Looks like 2025-2026 season GOK. Ishbia is a genius!!!

[SkyBill40]

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

I don't have an issue with a buyout to be honest. Theres a non-zero chance we'll pay him less to go away and he'll have an opportunity to recoup his own value as well for his next contract if he wants to avoid a vet min.

I'm also not against packaging him with some draft capital. Nothing significant of course but if we can turn him into a few smaller, more tradeable assets, that's not a bad use of a draft pick.

The only thing I'm absolutely against is trading for an even worse contract like an Embiid or a PG or the stretch and waive.

I don't know about "less than zero." There's a VERY real possibility he's on the roster because that NTC is the boat anchor that moves only when it's brought up. And bringing that up isn't a certainty by any means. Beal is the captain and he knows it. All one can hope for is that Ishbia doesn't manage to make things worse than they are to this point. Waive and stretch is a death sentence and shouldn't be considered whatsoever.

Just relegate him to the bench until his contract expires. Make him NOT want to be here and then make a smart play. TWO YEARS IS BETTER THAN FIVE MORE.

[BobbieL]

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

I don't have an issue with a buyout to be honest. Theres a non-zero chance we'll pay him less to go away and he'll have an opportunity to recoup his own value as well for his next contract if he wants to avoid a vet min.

I'm also not against packaging him with some draft capital. Nothing significant of course but if we can turn him into a few smaller, more tradeable assets, that's not a bad use of a draft pick.

The only thing I'm absolutely against is trading for an even worse contract like an Embiid or a PG or the stretch and waive.

I agree about trading for embiid would be worse

But on the off chance in the summer of 2026 there could be a market for a team wanting an expiring - Beal is there

That said - knowing Ishbia - maybe just buying out is the best option as its safer than attaching a pick

[RaisingArizona]

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Looks like 2025-2026 season GOK. Ishbia is a genius!!!

The night is darkest before dawn

[Saberestar]

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I love it.

It is a must for this organization to stay away from Beal and his broken body, smile and contract.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ryu]

Still have another month until we find out what lottery pick is going to the Rockets. The **** season still aint over.

Well currently it's top 10 and climbing! I can fully see a scenario where they jump into the top 5, although the league obviously wouldn't gift them Flagg!

He's reserved for a bigger market team agenda orchestrated by Sulve4 himself! I fully expect Flagg to end up in Charlotte, allowing Ball to be moved to a league desired market such as the Warriors.

Maybe Flagg goes to New Orleans so Zion can then casually go to the Lakers, or the Spurs will miraculously jump up to #1 so their dynasty can grtvfast tracked around Wembys' return so they can make the playoffs!

Ratings, ratings, ratings after all!!!

I can see them trading Hachimura and a single first rounder for Zion.

[Son of Ra]

"Come on bro, let's trade one more draft pick, one more pick swap, come on bro, I swear the last one, it'll work"

Ishbia probably.

[Mr Puddles]

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Suns could reduce the odds of this pick becoming #1 or top 4 by about 50% if they take over the Heat, who they're currently trailing by a game.

The way this will play out is that the Suns have the opportunity to overtake the Heat during the final game of the season, but the team decides to rest its precious starters and ends up losing the game. Due to the drop in standings, and the increase in odds, the pick ends up number 1 while the Heat end up picking 11th.

[garrick]

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If I'm Houston why am I bothering to get KD anyway unless they really feel a championship is really close?

In the event they get the #1 pick there's no way they are trading that for a short term KD rental.

[Slim Charless]

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

I don't have an issue with a buyout to be honest. Theres a non-zero chance we'll pay him less to go away and he'll have an opportunity to recoup his own value as well for his next contract if he wants to avoid a vet min.

I'm also not against packaging him with some draft capital. Nothing significant of course but if we can turn him into a few smaller, more tradeable assets, that's not a bad use of a draft pick.

The only thing I'm absolutely against is trading for an even worse contract like an Embiid or a PG or the stretch and waive.

Who though?

i always see this option presented by guys here but none one ever gives up names. I did.....and people don't like the option. Which I understand as PG's deal sucks....that's the kind of thing that will be available to us. I don't see any other players that teams will off-load. FTR Philly will be paying us XT picks in order to take that deal from them. I am not saying we do a stright swap for free. We'll be getting paid.

But enough about me. Who do you think is an acceptable trade of "smaller more tradable assests" that we can get for Beal and what picks do you want to attach to him?

TIA

[Saberestar]

What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

I don't have an issue with a buyout to be honest. Theres a non-zero chance we'll pay him less to go away and he'll have an opportunity to recoup his own value as well for his next contract if he wants to avoid a vet min.

I'm also not against packaging him with some draft capital. Nothing significant of course but if we can turn him into a few smaller, more tradeable assets, that's not a bad use of a draft pick.

The only thing I'm absolutely against is trading for an even worse contract like an Embiid or a PG or the stretch and waive.

Who though?

i always see this option presented by guys here but none one ever gives up names. I did.....and people don't like the option. Which I understand as PG's deal sucks....that's the kind of thing that will be available to us. I don't see any other players that teams will off-load. FTR Philly will be paying us XT picks in order to take that deal from them. I am not saying we do a stright swap for free. We'll be getting paid.

But enough about me. Who do you think is an acceptable trade of "smaller more tradable assests" that we can get for Beal and what picks do you want to attach to him?

TIA

I talked about it before, the Orlando Magic trade.

KCP + Jonathan Isaac + Gary Harris
for
Bradley Beal + 2027 FRP (worse of 3 teams).

Beal played for the Florida Gators.
His family and him love the warm weather.
He would start for them. Prominent role.

[Saberestar]

Gambo about Budenholzer:

His communications skills are terrible. The worst HC on the Suns at that particular skill.

He doesn't want to talk to Amanda during games, he doesn't give any interview other than press conferences that he can't scape by team rules.

He was saying that Budenholzer not only has refused to give any interview to Arizona Sports Radio all season long, he doesn't give any interview to anyone.

He believes that Book isn’t OK with Budenholzer coming back next year and he could be the first one of the multiple big changes in the offseason but it's not a sure thing.

Beal out sure thing.
Book staying sure thing.

[Djedefre]

Bud is completely absent and disinterested form day 1, i wasn't in favor of his hiring in the first place. But how many coaches came and went during Booker's tenure here and not a single one of them aside from Monty made a winning team with him as a focal point. On top of that, one could argue that without Paul it wouldn't happen at all. Really, Armani has been good for us, but it's not like he brought us a chip, got multiple mvp trophies or anything close to that so that Suns should be his hostages for years. I do not think PHX owes him a thing. If they traded away a guy that played every single game for us, from the day he entered the league, and held pinned 'i don't ever wanna leave' status on one of his social media for years, then what are we even talking about...

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

Yeah, we can't give up draft picks, Stretching is dumb too because we are not going to compete and I'd rather have massive cap space in a couple years than like $20 million hitting our cap next year. Hopefully Beal holds firm on his NTC.

Buying out is by far the best option of the ones available because we still open up a ton of cap space in 2 years. We are not getting assets back for him and will need to include picks. Stretching as we've talked about just hurts us for longer.

Buying out doesn't really create cap space though, just saves Ish some money, so not sure I'd do that. If we could trade Book and KD, it makes sense to keep him anyway for a good natured vet who is good for the locker room. He'd be a lot better as the main guy too. We wouldn't be good but he might help youngsters along.

[garrick]

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What stupid thing will Mat do?

Buying out - stupid

Stretching — really stupid

Trading if you have to include draft picks - really really really stupid

Yeah, we can't give up draft picks, Stretching is dumb too because we are not going to compete and I'd rather have massive cap space in a couple years than like $20 million hitting our cap next year. Hopefully Beal holds firm on his NTC.

Buying out is by far the best option of the ones available because we still open up a ton of cap space in 2 years. We are not getting assets back for him and will need to include picks. Stretching as we've talked about just hurts us for longer.

Buying out doesn't really create cap space though, just saves Ish some money, so not sure I'd do that. If we could trade Book and KD, it makes sense to keep him anyway for a good natured vet who is good for the locker room. He'd be a lot better as the main guy too. We wouldn't be good but he might help youngsters along.

Beal can be our tank commander while we offload KD and Book there really is no other way because you won't find another owner dumb enough to take on a declining Beal at the supermax and even in the last year of his deal we likely will have to take back contracts that other teams are trying to offload.

What we need to do is get off of any long term contracts and stack assets even if they're 2nd round picks and Ishbia can buy the best scouts that money can buy and rebuild through the draft.