Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[MathiasPW]

Would still like a reliable big...

Yep. Not sold on Plumlee or Len.

I think a reliable big, for the price tag that comes with him, is a waste. A big in our system only needs to scrap rebounds, protect rim and pick n roll on offense. No need for many go-to moves, reliable post scoring, and outside shot. That is necessary for our PF, but not our C.

[jredsaz]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.


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If this is the deal all of the Rich Paul haters should reassess. Thats a great deal for Bledsoe even if team options are included.

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[SideSwipe]

I couldn't care less what he does for a living or how much money he makes as it pertains to respect. I don't judge or demonize people based on how much money they make. I'm not a Democrat.

Republicans do it to, except it's the poor they hate, judge, and demonize.

You have got to be kidding me RDG. Completely off base and pointless post, I'm afraid. Not excusing BH's either, but this is just silly. There is at least some basis for BH's comments pertaining to escalating tax rates for those that have become successful.

Let's all just agree to steer clear of the political rhetoric.

[RunDogGun]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.




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I thought I read somewhere that teams, under the current CBA, can only hand out a limited number of 5 year contracts, I think one. If that is so and we sign Bledsoe for 5 years, what are we going to do with Dragic?

That's only for extensions, not contracts to RFA, or UFA.

[RunDogGun]

I couldn't care less what he does for a living or how much money he makes as it pertains to respect. I don't judge or demonize people based on how much money they make. I'm not a Democrat.

Republicans do it to, except it's the poor they hate, judge, and demonize.

You have got to be kidding me RDG. Completely off base and pointless post, I'm afraid. Not excusing BH's either, but this is just silly. There is at least some basis for BH's comments pertaining to escalating tax rates for those that have become successful.

Let's all just agree to steer clear of the political rhetoric.

Not off base from my friends on Facebook, and Fox News. That all I see everyday lately from them. But I'm fine steering clear of it. But the amount that demonize it seem quite equal on both sides, which is why I phrased it that way.

I think the two party system sucks, and most of this crap is just wedge issues that keep the public hating the other side to vote a certain way. Corporations run our country, and has for years. Lobbiests write the laws, and our congress purposely is doing nothing. There is a reason our congress is the least productive in US history.
End rant.

Back to this 5/$72 deal. How did it go from 4/$54 to that? An $18 million fifth season?

[RunDogGun]

Joe Alexander signs training camp deal with the Nuggets. I remember many having such high hopes for that guy.

[Phystic]

He never said he doesn't want to be here. He said he wants to get paid. 99% of NBA players think the same way. Especially those coming from rookie contracts.

His attitude as soon as he got here screamed "i don't want to be here". I can't ever remember him smiling and having a good time. He never seemed personable in the media or on media day last summer. He never said anything about wanting to stay here and hasn't stepped foot here since the end of the season.

Definitely seems like he doesn't want to be here. And the fact that he came down from a max contract demand makes me think that he has no interest in signing the QO. If I'm the Suns I got up a few mil to allow him to save face and that's it. 4 yr 52M. Done

I think it mostly boils down to personality and advice from idiots. If he comes to play on a four year contract, and he plays well and stays healthy, he may not be my favorite player like KJ, but I'll be damn glad he's on the team. It's dumb to want to trade a premier talent. I think ultimately if we re-sign Green maybe we deal Thomas but I don't think we need to...the cap may be big enough to fit another big salary in a couple of years depending on the contracts of the twins and whether we sign Green.

If he can get his attitude in check and be a team player I have no problems with keeping him on this team. I like his well rounded game and bulldog attitude. But if he has even a slight chip on his shoulder then ship his ass out. If we get him on the contract we want him on I think he could land us some really good assets.

[King4Day]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.


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If this is the deal all of the Rich Paul haters should reassess. Thats a great deal for Bledsoe even if team options are included.

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To be fair, the hate has been the lack of negotiating at all. If he stuck to his guns of 'max or nothing', we are all accurate that he sucks. But I'd admit that he's not as bad as I thought if we do get him at something cheaper.

[matt131]

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Ummm am I the only one around here who thinks that's a **** deal?!?! Honestly it's complete garbage. Bledsoe/Paul are winners if that's the deal.

[LukasBMW]

5/72? Blah. That better be a team option on year 5.

I'd much rather 4/54. Even with a player option on year 4.

[Phystic]

Don't descending contracts hurt the players next contract? Because isn't it a % raise based on your previous years salary? So if his final year is 11.5M instead of saying 15M isn't that a pretty bad deal for him considering it will negatively affect his next contract?

[jcsunsfan]

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[bwgood77]

If he can get his attitude in check and be a team player I have no problems with keeping him on this team. I like his well rounded game and bulldog attitude. But if he has even a slight chip on his shoulder then ship his ass out. If we get him on the contract we want him on I think he could land us some really good assets.

With few teams needing point guards, who would you ship him out for though? We'd have to get good assets in return. I was thinking last night about what teams could be trading partners and I just don't see it if we want to compete now.

Bucks, Kings, Lakers and possibly Detroit, Houston or Atlanta. The best deals out of those would probably be Sessions/Stauskas, expiring contracts plus a pick. With Atlanta, Teague/Millsap but that would be crazy with Millsap becoming a FA. No one on the other teams that they'd trade for him interests me.

And that Sacramento deal isn't equal value and would make us worse. Houston, Beverly, a pick and Ariza for Tucker and Bledsoe....nah, but Beverly would provide the D we would miss...still not nearly enough though.

Many people wanting to trade him don't go through the teams and find a deal that make real sense. Indy has nothing but could use him.

We can't trade him until mid season though if they finalize a deal anyway.

[Sunsdeuce]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.




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Ummm am I the only one around here who thinks that's a **** deal?!?! Honestly it's complete garbage. Bledsoe/Paul are winners if that's the deal.

Have to agree. We got played if that's true. That's waaaay too much. Hope it doesn't bite us in the butt with his injury history and all.


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[Christine-In-AZ]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.




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The FedEx man

...but seriously. Source?

[jcsunsfan]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.




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Ummm am I the only one around here who thinks that's a **** deal?!?! Honestly it's complete garbage. Bledsoe/Paul are winners if that's the deal.

Have to agree. We got played if that's true. That's waaaay too much. Hope it doesn't bite us in the butt with his injury history and all.


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There is no indication anywhere that is the deal except by a poster on this board whose source is "well I heard."

[bwgood77]

That wouldn't be a bad deal, especially if you would have gone to 4/56, because it is about 14 million a year. They obviously wouldn't have injury concerns with a deal like this, so the extra year locked in is a bonus. Hopefully it doesn't turn into an Amare deal the Knicks got though and he doesn't start having a bunch of injuries.

5/84 is 16.8 per year

4/48 is 12 per year

Exactly in the middle is 14.4 a year, which is what 5/72 is. No one won, they just split the difference.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

How much is a team option worth, ya think? A player option? I'd say they're worth close to +/- $2 mil/year.

I didn't realize that a team could hand out more than one 5 year deal. That changes a lot for me. I think we'll want to give Warren 5 years when the opportunity comes.

Edit: Eh, probably closer to $1.5 mil/year.

[Qwigglez]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

[Years90Suns]

Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.