NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[bwgood77]

The Stepien has now moved Trae Young in a tier 2 all by himself.

2018 NBA DRAFT

PROSPECT RANKINGS

TIER 1

1. LUKA DONCIC REAL MADRID AGE:18.9 HEIGHT:6'7" WINGSPAN:- WEIGHT:220 LBS

OFFENSIVE ROLE: Lead Ball Handler
DEFENSIVE ROLE: Team/Awareness

ARCHETYPE OUTCOME RANGE:
HIGH: Two-Way Primary Initiators
LOW: Offensive Scheme-Changers

TIER 2

2. TRAE YOUNG OKLAHOMA AGE:19.3 HEIGHT:6'2" WINGSPAN:6'4" WEIGHT:175 LBS

OFFENSIVE ROLE: Lead Ball Handler
DEFENSIVE ROLE: One Position

ARCHETYPE OUTCOME RANGE:
HIGH: Offensive Scheme-Changers (3-Lvl Scorer)
LOW: Offensive Scheme-Changers (2-Lvl Scorer)

TIER 3

3. JAREN JACKSON MICHIGAN ST AGE:18.3 HEIGHT:6'10" WINGSPAN:7'4" WEIGHT:230 LBS

OFFENSIVE ROLE: Diver
DEFENSIVE ROLE: Rim Protector

ARCHETYPE OUTCOME RANGE:
HIGH: Two-Way Playmakers
LOW: Energy Lob Catchers

4. MICHAEL PORTER MISSOURI AGE:19.5 HEIGHT:6'10" WINGSPAN:7'0" WEIGHT:215 LBS

OFFENSIVE ROLE: Scorer
DEFENSIVE ROLE: Versatile

ARCHETYPE OUTCOME RANGE:
HIGH: Two-Way Primary Scorers
LOW: On-Ball Versatile Floor Spacers

5. DEANDRE AYTON ARIZONA AGE:19.5 HEIGHT:7'0" WINGSPAN:7'5" WEIGHT:250 LBS

OFFENSIVE ROLE: Playmaker
DEFENSIVE ROLE: Rim Protector

ARCHETYPE OUTCOME RANGE:
HIGH: Playmaking Defensive Anchors
LOW: Physical Outliers

https://www.thestepien.com/2018-draft-rankings/

[JMac1]

Five remaining guys....

[ATTL]

Young and Mitchell Robinson or ayton and shai hulud?

[lilfishi22]

Doncic is 220lbs? That's solid for an NBA wing these days

[darealjuice]

Lonnie SkyWalker taking full advantage of Bruce Brown Jr going down at Miami. He's been impressive, averaging 19 pts, 3.8 rebs, 2.4 assts , 1.8 steals on 45.2/45.7/81.3 shooting in the 6 ACC games since his role expanded. Big, lanky, and athletic 2 guard that can create his own shot and stroke outside jumpers. Could see him working his way into the lottery if he keeps playing well with this opportunity.

[jcsunsfan]

I am getting to the point where I will be disappointed with anyone but Young. I just want to watch him in a Suns uni. He is so entertaining.

I also am really liking Jaren Jackson. Wish we could work out a way to get both. Jackson is the prototype NBA Center of the future.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I am getting to the point where I will be disappointed with anyone but Young. I just want to watch him in a Suns uni. He is so entertaining.

I also am really liking Jaren Jackson. Wish we could work out a way to get both. Jackson is the prototype NBA Center of the future.

I am with you on Young. He stands alone in my eyes. We have a legacy of great PG play to maintain, here. A great PG would come in here and have incredible tools at his disposal, in Booker, Warren, Jackson and spread bigs. The defense doesn't overly concern me. It's just not as important. We need a great point guard. If he's not slated to go #1, and I'm #1, I talk about trading down for him, but if Orlando's sitting at #2, Young is my pick.

Jaren Jackson looks incredible. But you know, the draft is deep enough at center to allay my concerns about missing out on Jackson. Plus, Bender should be capable of being a very good backup center (and, hopefully, a starting PF). If we can't get Young, Jackson will certainly be on the very short list.

[darealjuice]

Really quiet game for Jaren Jackson tonight, seems like he's been in foul trouble

[kennydorglas]

Young and Mitchell Robinson or ayton and shai hulud?

ayton/bamba/JJJ and shai/troy brown would be my choice for now.
I really want another big guard to pair w/ DBook.

[Kerrsed]

Some big wins tonight with both Brooklyn and Orlando winning. Only a game and a half out from last place!

[bwgood77]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248790/RealGM-Radio-Jonathan-Givony

[Mulhollanddrive]

Boom-Bust athletic bigs from recent drafts (Top 8 since 2013):

Bennett, Gordon, Porzingis, Bender, Chriss, Isaac.

I've been trying to figure out where Jaren Jackson fits as a prospect and he looks to be a similar prototype as a front court freak athlete that could be anything or nothing depending on how his IQ and skills coincide.

[Bogyo]

Boom-Bust athletic bigs from recent drafts (Top 8 since 2013):

Bennett, Gordon, Porzingis, Bender, Chriss, Isaac.

I've been trying to figure out where Jaren Jackson fits as a prospect and he looks to be a similar prototype as a front court freak athlete that could be anything or nothing depending on how his IQ and skills coincide.

Well, coming from an NBA family his feel for the game should be more advanced than not. Dunno if this has to do anything with what we see as bball IQ on the court or not - some thing can not be thaught.

[Djedefre]

Bennett and Bender are average athletes at best.

I'm not a big fan of JJJ's. Total gamble. Bamba is a work in progress and obviously unsafe pick too, but it's easier to me to give a pass to someone like Bamba who already has a defined role and position. I still do not know what Jarren actually is - a C, PF or SF. For someone spending a lot of time outside, his handles are pretty basic and creativity dubious.

If we talk SF/PF, then in my book the order would be Porter, Knox, Bridges Les, Bridges Kal, JacksonJr, Bates-Diop

Mitch Robinson is very interesting. Wildcard but tantalizing. He might end up the best C in this class, as could Porter among wings, without a single game played in NCAA. But then again, he could show a complete disaster, leaving people to wonder a few years later 'where did they even found this guy'

[jcsunsfan]

Boom-Bust athletic bigs from recent drafts (Top 8 since 2013):

Bennett, Gordon, Porzingis, Bender, Chriss, Isaac.

I've been trying to figure out where Jaren Jackson fits as a prospect and he looks to be a similar prototype as a front court freak athlete that could be anything or nothing depending on how his IQ and skills coincide.

He has a big strong body with long arms. He is mobile. He comes from a family familiar with the NBA life which seems to be a plus given the success of Steph, Kobe, Klay, Sabonis, and many others.

I would not be disappointed with Jackson at all. I might even take him over Bamba, Bagley, and Porter.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Jackson's recent strong play has made me question a bit whether we should prioritize drafting a top PG. Jackson may be too good to keep on the bench next season. Would TJ accept a demotion when he's putting up 20 a night (and on a winning team, might start getting all-star consideration down the line)? If Booker-Jackson-Warren-Chriss-[Center] works, that might be the most elegant solution. Sure was nice to have a size advantage at both guard spots last night (though we'll have to see how we do when we're not defending a bad team shooting "lights on").

Then again, great teams usually have great sixth men, and TJ would be hands down the league's best, in my view. But if you do that, you better be winning. A lot.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Suns had Ayton atop their board, due to upside and fit. I still have Young there, but I rarely maintain a favorite consistently throughout the draft process (notable exception - TJ Warren in 2014). Wouldn't surprise me at all if we love Bagley, too.

[jcsunsfan]

Bennett and Bender are average athletes at best.

I'm not a big fan of JJJ's. Total gamble. Bamba is a work in progress and obviously unsafe pick too, but it's easier to me to give a pass to someone like Bamba who already has a defined role and position. I still do not know what Jarren actually is - a C, PF or SF. For someone spending a lot of time outside, his handles are pretty basic and creativity dubious.

If we talk SF/PF, then in my book the order would be Porter, Knox, Bridges Les, Bridges Kal, JacksonJr, Bates-Diop

Mitch Robinson is very interesting. Wildcard but tantalizing. He might end up the best C in this class, as could Porter among wings, without a single game played in NCAA. But then again, he could show a complete disaster, leaving people to wonder a few years later 'where did they even found this guy'

Jackson is a center. That is where he should play in the NBA. His NBA role is very similar to Boogie.

[darealjuice]

Bennett and Bender are average athletes at best.

I'm not a big fan of JJJ's. Total gamble. Bamba is a work in progress and obviously unsafe pick too, but it's easier to me to give a pass to someone like Bamba who already has a defined role and position. I still do not know what Jarren actually is - a C, PF or SF. For someone spending a lot of time outside, his handles are pretty basic and creativity dubious.

If we talk SF/PF, then in my book the order would be Porter, Knox, Bridges Les, Bridges Kal, JacksonJr, Bates-Diop

Mitch Robinson is very interesting. Wildcard but tantalizing. He might end up the best C in this class, as could Porter among wings, without a single game played in NCAA. But then again, he could show a complete disaster, leaving people to wonder a few years later 'where did they even found this guy'

Jackson is a center. That is where he should play in the NBA. His NBA role is very similar to Boogie.

Definitely don't get a Boogie vibe from Jaren Jackson. Right now he hangs his hat on the defensive end with a developing offensive game inside and on the perimeter, pretty much the opposite of Boogie.

[ATTL]

I'm really torn between wanting ayton and young. I think it may be easier to get a good guard in free agency than a good big. If we're wanting to accelerate the timeline then that may be a consideration.

[bwgood77]

I'm really torn between wanting ayton and young. I think it may be easier to get a good guard in free agency than a good big. If we're wanting to accelerate the timeline then that may be a consideration.

I don't think it's that easy to get a guard that can shoot and pass like that in free agency. Ayton is a phenom, but I think Young does more for our team. There seem to be a lot of centers out there and their cost seems a lot less than guards these days given the evolving league, small ball, etc.