2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[dremill24]

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Gambo basically saying a KD trade is possible if the Suns don’t end up with Butler. Interesting.

So if this goes down to the wire with Jimmy then there would be next to no time to look at potential KD deals right?

Well, if you're serious about moving KD (I'm highly skeptical) and doing it right, you're doing the due diligence now to have it lined up & ready to go. You set your Butler deadline far enough in advance of the actual trade deadline to allow you to finalize that contingency plan. It's a convoluted exercise that could end up holding up multiple things, so that Butler deadline could end up being quite soon. You just have to define "down to the wire" in a way that allows you to pivot (IF that's a pivot you want to make). I imagine they should be doing the same with their smaller alternatives if no Butler deal happens and they stick with KD.

[lilfishi22]

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Gambo basically saying a KD trade is possible if the Suns don’t end up with Butler. Interesting.

So if this goes down to the wire with Jimmy then there would be next to no time to look at potential KD deals right?

Well, if you're serious about moving KD (I'm highly skeptical) and doing it right, you're doing the due diligence now to have it lined up & ready to go. You set your Butler deadline far enough in advance of the actual trade deadline to allow you to finalize that contingency plan. It's a convoluted exercise that could end up holding up multiple things, so that Butler deadline could end up being quite soon. You just have to define "down to the wire" in a way that allows you to pivot (IF that's a pivot you want to make). I imagine they should be doing the same with their smaller alternatives if no Butler deal happens and they stick with KD.

It's such a massive pivot though. To go from "all-in" with Jimmy to "blow it up" with moving KD.

And if you go down the move KD route, we're probably looking at a couple more subsequent moves

[dremill24]

So if this goes down to the wire with Jimmy then there would be next to no time to look at potential KD deals right?

Well, if you're serious about moving KD (I'm highly skeptical) and doing it right, you're doing the due diligence now to have it lined up & ready to go. You set your Butler deadline far enough in advance of the actual trade deadline to allow you to finalize that contingency plan. It's a convoluted exercise that could end up holding up multiple things, so that Butler deadline could end up being quite soon. You just have to define "down to the wire" in a way that allows you to pivot (IF that's a pivot you want to make). I imagine they should be doing the same with their smaller alternatives if no Butler deal happens and they stick with KD.

It's such a massive pivot though. To go from "all-in" with Jimmy to "blow it up" with moving KD.

And if you go down the move KD route, we're probably looking at a couple more subsequent moves

True, and that's one of the multiple reasons I'm skeptical of that being Plan A & Plan B, was just kinda looking at the premise as presented. But if you were really committed to that, you'd have to do that work early to be prepared. You also don't necessarily have to "blow it up" to make a KD move if you just think you have a solid offer and move him. Follow-ups could come in the summer.

But yeah, I don't really think it's in their plans. And if they decide to take that path (big "if"), doing it in the offseason is much more sensible/likely.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

[TeamTragic]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

Spend that money on which player(s) dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

[BobbieL]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

And he only wants to be in Phoenix as he thinks Ishbia is a sucker and will extend him for the max at $110m/2 years
Butler is not about winning - he is about himself

Maybe the Warriors floated a new extension and it was only $80/2 - so he said no
Maybe the Grizz said we just want you for this playoff run, opt in but nothing long term

For me - beyond the fact that I don't thnk Butler helps the team win a title -and its fine he wants a payday - but he isn't the same player

[BobbieL]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

Option 2 as I don't think the first will ever come close to a title and if you overpay for Butler - your future is shot to sh*t. I mean, like 10 years. Over the apron, no draft picks, just waiting for Butler and Durant, Booker will be older. How do you get better? Well you might have cap space but no good players to play with.

But if you rebuild -- and are smart - you can possibly be better quicker

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

What I'm saying is, don't spend money on a loser. When we're an actual contender, THEN blast money everywhere. Extensions and luxury tax when it matters. Spending money now is affirmatively counterproductive.

[TeamTragic]

Every single player wants to get paid. What are we even talking about here?

You think Luka is happy that he missed that supermax? You are not being reasonable.

[TeamTragic]

Would you rather have KD, Booker and Butler
OR
Our picks back from HOU, more picks for KD, some rookie scale contracts, $300 million (or so) to spend later, and (I assume) Bradley Beal?

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

What I'm saying is, don't spend money on a loser. When we're an actual contender, THEN blast money everywhere. Extensions and luxury tax when it matters. Spending money now is affirmatively counterproductive.

Butler is not a loser WTF

[KdoubleDees23]

TBH - KD or Booker won't be traded. Are people that dumb?

[BurningHeart]

Trade Booker to Houston for some good ass BBQ and a first round pick and call it a day.

You're so jaded man. Why are you still here? Lol

I mean, I barely am. I want to watch the Suns at least and when I tune in I hate what I see and have hated the team for years now.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

What I'm saying is, don't spend money on a loser. When we're an actual contender, THEN blast money everywhere. Extensions and luxury tax when it matters. Spending money now is affirmatively counterproductive.

Butler is not a loser WTF

He will be if he joins this team.

[KdoubleDees23]

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

What I'm saying is, don't spend money on a loser. When we're an actual contender, THEN blast money everywhere. Extensions and luxury tax when it matters. Spending money now is affirmatively counterproductive.

Butler is not a loser WTF

Butler has had more success leading a team than booker. whats your argument there?

[BobbieL]

Spend that money on which player dude? You are missing the point entirely and not thinking this through.

This team has NEVER been a FA destination until recent history.

You can argue the facts all you want but pay day or not Butler only wants to be here.

What I'm saying is, don't spend money on a loser. When we're an actual contender, THEN blast money everywhere. Extensions and luxury tax when it matters. Spending money now is affirmatively counterproductive.

Butler is not a loser WTF

If he truly turned down a chance to play for the Grizzlies to only play for Phoenix -- winning a championship is NOT his priority. And thats fine. I wouldn't call him a losesr - just doesn't have the priorities and like was said, blasting money on his extension and Durants would be stupid. Sometimes I think Durant is fine just hooping and making $50m - which is okay.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

TBH - KD or Booker won't be traded. Are people that dumb?

Getting spanked by DA in back-to-back games will do that to you.

[lilfishi22]

Well, if you're serious about moving KD (I'm highly skeptical) and doing it right, you're doing the due diligence now to have it lined up & ready to go. You set your Butler deadline far enough in advance of the actual trade deadline to allow you to finalize that contingency plan. It's a convoluted exercise that could end up holding up multiple things, so that Butler deadline could end up being quite soon. You just have to define "down to the wire" in a way that allows you to pivot (IF that's a pivot you want to make). I imagine they should be doing the same with their smaller alternatives if no Butler deal happens and they stick with KD.

It's such a massive pivot though. To go from "all-in" with Jimmy to "blow it up" with moving KD.

And if you go down the move KD route, we're probably looking at a couple more subsequent moves

True, and that's one of the multiple reasons I'm skeptical of that being Plan A & Plan B, was just kinda looking at the premise as presented. But if you were really committed to that, you'd have to do that work early to be prepared. You also don't necessarily have to "blow it up" to make a KD move if you just think you have a solid offer and move him. Follow-ups could come in the summer.

But yeah, I don't really think it's in their plans. And if they decide to take that path (big "if"), doing it in the offseason is much more sensible/likely.

I'd suspect it's probably more to gauge his value etc and suitors more so than it being the trade deadline Plan B. Can be picked up again in the offseason should we not land Jimmy and we decide to move KD. I can't see us pivoting that quickly from a win now move to a blow it up move and do it successfully.

I'd be happy if the Jimmy move doesn't happen and we reload with a KD trade though.

[Qwigglez]

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Looks like the Nurkic for JV and Bey could actually happen.

[BurningHeart]

Butler is a demonstrated repeat cancer drama queen bitchmade. He's caused or been related with problems at every stop he's ever had. To think that he might not be the problem given that history is pretty willfully crazy.

[TeamTragic]

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Looks like the Nurkic for JV and Bey could actually happen.

BOOM