Re: 2022-23 Off-Season Discussion and Speculation
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:54 pm
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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote: I just think the negatives of Duncan Robinson outweigh the value of the pick in any potential trade. If a team is trading a good player for picks, they don't want to also be taking back inflated long-term salaries. Why pay to lose?
I haven't been able to find a realistic Jae trade that doesn't make us worse next season. Wonder how it plays out.
The thing about the Duncan Robinson trade ( at least for me personally) is that I'm not looking to keep him anyways. My thinking is to trade Crowder (doesn't want to he here anyways) to Miami and take back Duncan Robinson (temporarily) in order to glean a 1st and maybe a young prospect from them whilst also offloading Payne. The deal basically looks like:
Crowder ( 10 million)
Payne ( 7 million)
FOR
Robinson ( 16.8 million)
Orlando Robinson ( prospect- 1.6 million).
Miami 1st.
So we unload Crowder and take back Robinson's deal for the 1st and a young upside prospect. THEN after we showcase Robinson for a bit, we ( intentionally) trade him to another team for a player that's a better fit, addresses our needs, or for more assets.
3 options :
1- Phoenix/ Charlotte
Trade Robinson Craig to Charlotte for Terry Rozier and a 1st ( Denver 23' 1st) + 2nd (Boston 23' 2nd). Rozier upgrades our backup point guard spot plus we get more picks for our asset cache.
2- Phoenix/ Detroit
( Detroit is trying to actually make the playoffs)
Robinson for Burks/ Stewart. Or Burks/ Josephs/ Detroit 25' 1st. In this deal, we'd swap Robinson's contract ( upgrade for Pistons) to save around 15 million in expirings of Burks/ Josephs whilst still getting another draft asset.
3- Phoenix/ Orlando ( Orlando trying to get more competitive now).
Robinson for Terrence Ross/ 11 million expiring/ Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs?
No assets here, this premise is just to dump Robinson's deal whilst upgrading from Payne to Anthony. IF they won't give Anthony, then maybe we do Ross/ Houston/ Chicago 23' first?
*** OKC
Would the Thunder in an effort to satiate Shai look to finally add more vet players to improve for some of their youngsters?
Robinson ( backcourt compliment to Shai or maybe Giddey) for Muscala/ Bazely/ Mann/ 2nd? Robinson's career averages still indicate solid value and upside. Would OKC have interest in a very solid floor spacer to make Holmgren more effective in the paint upon his return?
*** Philly
Would Philly entertain a Robinson for Melton/ Niang/ filler trade to upgrade their bench shooting with a higher upside player?
*** Boston
Would we consider a swap for Derrick White and Sam Hauser ( young Bogdanovic) or hold Robinson since he's an upgrade to Shamet anyways and then look to offload Shamet to Boston for Derrick White and a Boston 1st? Would a backcourt of D White/ Robinson be stronger/ better (obviously) than Payne/ Shamet? We could walk away from both trades with 2 first and young prospects for our cache.
Or if we didn't fear in conference competition, maybe flip Robinson to
*** Memphis
Robinson for Danny Green's 10 million expiring/ Jake Laravia / Chandler? Or maybe Robinson for Brooks/ Tillie/ 2nd?
I'm sure there'll be no shortage of interested teams for Robinson at the deadline should he return somewhat to form. Personally I'd just prefer to trade Crowder for Robinson/ Jovic/ Miami 1st. Then look to package Shamet/ Saric/ Craig to Charlotte for Rozier and another 1st+ 2nd. Giving us two additional firsts and a 2nd whilst upgrading our backcourt from Payne and Shamet to Rozier and Robinson.
Or trade for Robinson, get the pick and prospect. Then flip Saric/ Shamet/ Craig/ Jovic/ Miami 1st to Utah for Conley and Vanderbilt ( Miami 1st for Vandy). Or Saric/ Shamet/ Craig ( no 1st) for Conley and Gay.
One last all in move with Paul. I'm not too worried about the contracts involved as our bew owner will very likely be significantly more wealthy than Saver anyways. And IF we can upgrade our asset cache with picks/ prospects in the process, then that's a definitive improvement for us. I just feel that either a Conley /Robinson, Conley/ Burks, Rozier/ Robinson or Rozier Burks backcourt would be a significant upgrade to our current Payne/ Shamet backcourt. And would absolutely help sustain Paul's window with us through more viable load management opportunities.