2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[Saberestar]

gambo on doug and wolf said it's down to Bender or Chriss for 4, like Dejounte Murray and Sabonis at 13

says if they draft Dunn it's for a trade

Yeah...obviously with Chriss and Dejounte Murray following Watson on twitter we know that they are gonna be our picks.

I want to die.

[Mulhollanddrive]

a top 7 pick?

[Jarlaxle0204]

Do the right thing McD:

[MathiasPW]

Chriss is the same height as Blake Griffin. He has a 1 inch longer reach, the same standing reach, and his vert (max and standing) is 3 inches more than Blake's. Blake weight was 248 and Marquese is 233, but Blake was 16 months older...Chriss can shoot better than Blake at the same stage and has more range. Blake's thickness means a lot, but Marquese will get thicker (nice muscle tone).

After watching and selling myself on him, I can see he does have a decent handle, quick first step, nice spin move, turn around J, and a behind the back dribble...

Maybe we get lucky again and this guy translates. Also, his measurement are IDENTICAL to Amare's minus the 2 inches on wingspan and 4 inches on reach (Amare was 9'.05"!!) But again, Chriss max vert is 3 inches more than Amare's with their max jump height both being 12ft (Chriss was 11'11.5"). Even though Amare shoulders were wider, both are/were 233lbs

I feel a lot better about his size now. If we draft him.

Identical except on height wingspan vertical and weight? What other measurement is there ?

[NavLDO]

This.

We are going to draft another low IQ player who doesn't know or wants to pass the ball and does not have a clue about being a team player.

Archie Goodwin, Brandon Knight, The Morris Brothers, Gerald Green, Shannon Brown, Michael Beasley......we always have a good pair of players with that mentality ...and now Chriss who seems another player like that.

So who do you want then? Who has a high BBIQ in the top 5? Dunn? Who TOs the ball all the time? Is that high BBIQ? Should we draft Booker's Back-up at 4? Skal, Brown...are those guys with high BBIQ?

The fact is, we don't have a heck of a lot of choice here, and if we are shopping Bledsoe and take Dunn at 4, than so be it, but until that happens, Chriss appears to be the frontrunner for us...then again, I came straight to these boards this morning, so for all I know, something big ha changed....I'm only on pg 56 so far...

I want Jamal Murray. My second option Hield and then Bender.

I only want one of those three.

And do not tell me that Murray or Hield play the same position of Booker...they can play together.

Reaching for need is a really bad thing in the draft.

After Simmons and Ingram the three better prospects in the draft are backcourt players... Murray, Hield and Dunn. Keep it simple.

Take one of those three. Dunn is the worse of them IMO and he can only play one position, so I prefer the versatile shooters over him.

I do not care about Knigh, Price or Goodwin...they are not big time players or something like that.

Jamal Murray has serious questions regarding whether he can play the point, whether he has the athleticism to keep up defensively, and has a relatively low (thus easily disrupted) release point. To me, Hield is a late lotto at best, more that I look at him.

And your point about Booker and Hield sharing court time, I'm not buying. We'll be destroyed defensively. And I'll say it for the 10th time, Hield had ONE great year--I don't trust that--not as a Senior who has three very 'meh' years before that. Dragic had a great year, too...ONCE. Hield is also a tad small for the position, and his, again for the 10th time, A/TO and PPR numbers decreased EVERY year. How many ball dominant guys to you want on the coaut at the same time?

So not, I'm not buying that those three--Dunn, Hield, or Murray are the BPA after Bender. Chriss is intelligent--his BBIQ is fine, and he doesn't TO the ball like Dunn does. Chriss is a big with handles, a shot, and very nice stroke for a big, and very similar FT% to that of Dunn. Yeah, he fouls out a lot, an averages 2.6 BLKS/40--that must mean he doesn't show effort on the floor, right?

If you want to believe that the 3 backcourt guys are the next BPA, then that's fine, we all have our opinions, but for every 'weakness' you can come up with for Chriss, there are easily an equal amount for Murray, Dunn, or Hield. You want a PG with an A/TO of 1.75 and PPR of 1.61?? We have that in Bledsoe--A/TO=1.71, PPR of 1.36 last season.

Unless we are trading Bledsoe for Heyward (which STILL doesn't address our PF position), then fine. But I hope you all are more realistic in your expectations of Dunn--he's a 3" taller Bledsoe, not a John Wall...sorry....

[JoRain]

It would be so funny, if suns would end up using all 4 of their pics and taking only guards. how many on this board will have nervous break.
personally I think, that there are no sure fire long term starting quality guards in this draft - Dunn might be, but even he has some major red flags, while I think Hield Murray are going to be busts, if they're taken in top 5. Hield though most likely will have an NBA career, just not on a level many are expecting.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We could trade down for 2 picks and get 5 point guards.

[Saberestar]

Thaddeus Young has been informed the Brooklyn Nets are shopping him around the league in search of a 1st round pick, according to a source.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/746010489814159360

[SunZel]

Would really hate the Chriss pick. I really want the Suns to be like the Spurs someday with a bunch of high iq players that do all the little things and make sacrifices to win games. Lack of effort on defense and rebounding with his talents is inexcusable. This will become real apparent in playoff games.

Also watching these playoffs made me feel that Bledsoe is very valuable in todays league for his defense at pg position. Steph curry was forced to hide every time they played elite guards. so i hope we don't trade him and draft murray.

I'm guessing your one of those guys that had their career mastered at age 18,then. Congrats. People that live in the real world usually take a few years, after 18, to learn and hone their craft. So let's just dismiss the 18 YO because he doesn't have every facet of the game worked out already...

He can shoot. He can dribble. He could potentially defend different positions. He is intelligent. He is charming.

Chriss, 18, also is relatively new to basketball and it shows. He has played only five years of organized basketball, which seems obvious now that he fouled out 15 times in 34 games as a Huskies freshman. There also is a maturity issue, not abnormal for a teen and something he addresses without prompting.

This is what frustrates me with this whole draft process--Seniors show a much better understanding of the game than Freshman coming out--shocking, I know...

Just because Chriss has some issues, DOESN'T mean he won't be coached up in those areas, and like this report states, Chriss is intelligent, he's just raw.

You say lack of effort is inexcusable?? Are you sure it's lack of effort, and not something else? Just because a guy isn't running 100% all of the time doesn't mean he has a lack of effort, it's more likely figuring his role out, more than anything.

Here's the thing though, a lot of players in the top 10 are young, but i'm only dismissing chriss because the facets of the game that he is missing currently are not easily corrected like effort and rebounding. I feel effort becomes the most important aspect when the games really count like in the playoffs. Chriss is the only player whose effort im questioning. Also, yes, i'm sure its a lack of effort. What does his role have to do with boxing out, getting rebounds or making a pass for an easier shot than to take a contested one. Dude is an athletic freak why cant he get more boards than Sabonis who is not nearly as athletic? Rebounding is effort.

[DRK]

Looks like Skal's stock is dropping out of the top 10.

I would be open to Buddy at 4 if we can get Skal at 13.

[Waylay13]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

[NavLDO]

KTAR reported today from people watching Bender's workouts that his lack of physical strength is a bit shocking. He works hard and plays tough, but he is not very strong.

I would think you would say the same thing about Ingram. That kid needs a sandwich.

Kevin Durant couldn't bench 185 pounds at the combine. When you are THAT long, it's very hard to put on muscle. Easier for a guy like Chriss with the short arms for his size.

Ummm...7' .25" Wingspan is "short arms" for a guy who is barely 6'10"??? Ellenson is 1.5" taller with 2" longer arms. Poeltl is 7'1" with 7'2.75" Wingspan. Skal is 7' with 7' 2.5" Wingpan.

2+" difference between Wingspan and Height for bigs is fairly common. In fact, his height/wingspan is EXACTLY the same as Simmons--does that mean Simmons has short arms, too?

Now, Davis, he's a freak with really long arms, and Sabonis is a T-Rex arm'd dude, but Chriss is 'normal'--and PLEASE, PEASE, PLEASE tell me you aren't basing that statement on flawed Reach measurements...

[Waylay13]

Looks like Skal's stock is dropping out of the top 10.

I would be open to Buddy at 4 if we can get Skal at 13.

I would be up for Bender or Chriss at 4 and Skal at 13.

[RaisingArizona]

Looks like Skal's stock is dropping out of the top 10.

I would be open to Buddy at 4 if we can get Skal at 13.

Finally. Welcome to team Buddy.

[NavLDO]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/745767337861668865[/tweet]

why do I get the vibe that this isn't accurate? did anyone hear Gambo say this on the radio?

well.....here goes something

Lets hope some people are correct. There is no doubting he has boom potential and that's all we can ask for at four. <fingers crossed>

what happened to my Buddy?

Don't worry, I think sabrestar has picked up where JMac has left off--you still have some Hield-lovers here....don't worry!

[NavLDO]

In our dreams, in our dreams....... I still prefer Bender over Chriss though.

Buddy and Booker on the perimeter with Bledsoe penetrating?.............man.

I'm praying that Chriss goes at 3 . Those rumors of Dunn at 4 would be ideal for me. Either trade Bledsoe or the pick.

Chriss is the only person I have to really convince myself to like. Dunn, Hield, Bender, Brown, and Murray I am just straight cool with. I don't like Chriss lack of length at all.

I would go Buddy and figure out a way to make it work. it isn't like he an Booker has to come out of the chute playing defense from day one. Steph and Klay didn't come into the league as heralded defenders, now all I hear is how great Klay is. If Booker is 6'7, why can't he slide down to the 3? Dude is a baby, do you know how much thicker he would be at 23-24?

AAAAAAGGGHHHH!!! STOP LOOKING AT STANDING REACHES!!!! THEY...ARE....WRONG!!!

Man, I need a bumper sticker...

[dremill24]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

When did 6'5" become small for a SG?

[Waylay13]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

When did 6'5" become small for a SG?

Since the average height for a SG in the NBA is 6'6".

[RaisingArizona]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

When did 6'5" become small for a SG?

Buddy Hield squashed the notion that he's an undersized SG with his superb 6-9 wingspan on a 6-5 frame, and 8-5 standing reach measurements, at the NBA draft combine.

[dremill24]

For all the guys that are singing for Hield and J. Murray I keep going back to the famous saying by Red Auerbach, "You can't teach height." Both Hield and J. Murray are small for their natural position of shooting guard and both of them dont have the skills that Booker has. At least with Chriss or Bender you have some biggest that can learn more about to play the game but you cant teach Hield and Murray how to grow another couple inches.

When did 6'5" become small for a SG?

Since the average height for a SG in the NBA is 6'6".

Really...1 inch?