Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[starbosa10]

I still do not get why so many fans want Goran back here

Vet with experience, relationship with our new coach, still has a few years left. We need a decent PG (not Knight) and susposedly he won't cost a ton in a trade ( less than it would take to get Kemba, etc)

[Fo-Real]

I still do not get why so many fans want Goran back here

Familiar with his game and still like it. He shoots well, plays defense and plays hard. Has above average game, is already signed to a reasonable (slightly high) contract, but no chance of him getting 25 plus mil in the future. Would be a good mix with Booker in the fact that he has lead guard game (taking over, hard nose play, big shots, vet poise) but has no problem with deferring to Booker or Ayton or Jackson at times if they have it going as opposed to some selfish guards who would start jacking up shots because they hadnt in a while. He is familiar with our new coach and has always played within himself. Salary falls off at the right time and the better options are a risk, are making a TON more money or will need to be resigned soon. My personal reasons, not speaking for others.

[MathiasPW]

Agreed for the most part. But "has no problem deferring"...

[Fo-Real]

Hadnt seen Starbosa's post but obviously agree with his reasons.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd pass on Schoeder, red flags on personality and just not a good enough shooter or defender to really contribute what they need.

Brogdon is a good fit but that package suggested is too much. I assume he's not going anywhere but I guess if they plan on extending Bledsoe it's possible they look at moving him but in that case I assume they will use him in a package for a win now vet.

I'd like Smart if they could simply convince him not to shoot; his problem isn't only that he's bad at shooting but that he likes to jack them up. Plus I kind of feel like you can draft a defensive wing specialist like Smith or Melton and use the money to solve a different need.

I like Van Vleet if they could get him at a reasonable price; kind of a poor mans Brogdon.

Overall I also kind of think they need to be cautious to spend their assets on a high usage guy unless he's a 'star' type. Booker obviously needs usage and if you're taking Ayton #1 you might as well feature him on O because it's his most ready trait so they might want to spend on guys who will help them in their other problem areas vs someone who's best skill set is pure scoring. This is where a guy like Favors could make some sense.

[Fo-Real]

Agreed for the most part. But "has no problem deferring"...

He had a problem with being stuck in a corner hoping for a pass from Bled or I Thomas who have been and will always be selfish. The personalities did not mesh, I almost think they avoided giving it to him when we had all three. He does not have a problem deferring, he is not a guy who jacks up bad shots as opposed to passing to open teammates. He has never been thought of as selfish, really it was the opposite at the start of his career here, Gentry had to yell at him to shoot or get yanked. I absolutely disagree with you as far as him having a problem deferring.

[MathiasPW]

Agreed for the most part. But "has no problem deferring"...

He had a problem with being stuck in a corner hoping for a pass from Bled or I Thomas who have been and will always be selfish. The personalities did not mesh, I almost think they avoided giving it to him when we had all three. He does not have a problem deferring, he is not a guy who jacks up bad shots as opposed to passing to open teammates. He has never been thought of as selfish, really it was the opposite at the start of his career here, Gentry had to yell at him to shoot or get yanked. I absolutely disagree with you as far as him having a problem deferring.

Career APG:

Dragic: 4.8
Bledsoe: 4.7
Thomas: 5.1

I understand they have different personalities and Dragic is more likable, but your assumption on IT and Bled being selfish while Goran passes all the time does not hold.

[bwgood77]

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Gonna agree with McD and say that is far too much value going towards the Bucks. If the Hawks take Young with their pick, I'd offer up the 16th pick and Dudley for Schroder and keep the Bucks pick and Warren.

Might not have to depending on how much the relationship has soured.

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Could be a great move, specially if we dont have to give up anything AND get a pick in return.

I'm not going to delve too much into Schroder unless we deal for him but does anyone know why they would not want him?

Because he is not that good. One of the worst defensive point guards in the game (worse than Ulis and Payton)...a low iq inefficient score first guy who shot 29% from 3 this past year. Makes like $15.5 million a year through 21.

Can't understand for the life of me why people would want them unless they want a downgrade from Bled and to see if Booker can handle triple teams and allow opposing point guards to go crazy.

Oh yeah, and legal problems and teammates/execs don't like him.

[BobbieL]

Maybe a 3 way with Schroder going to the Heat with Goran coming back here? What would it take for that to happen?

Riles and the Heat are is in a tough spot as he is "capped out" so from what I have read he might want to lower salary to get cap space. Taking on Schroeder would not do that. Granted, if Riley wanted a younger player to build around - that three team trade would work

Somebody - I forget who (Kerrsed? ) - mentioned a three team with Kemba going to Heat; Warren and pick to the Hornets and Dragic to the Suns.

The thing is - for the RIGHT player - the Suns can take on a contract with two or three more years for Dudley or Chandler since they are expiring to help with the trade. A team say trading a 13m Marvin Williams for 9.5m Jared Dudley not only saves cap space this year but 14m after this year.

[BobbieL]

I still do not get why so many fans want Goran back here

Vet with experience, relationship with our new coach, still has a few years left. We need a decent PG (not Knight) and susposedly he won't cost a ton in a trade ( less than it would take to get Kemba, etc)

agree with this

also signed for two years 36m

Kemba is 12 this year but easily will be like 4/80 - at minimum after this year

Goran after 2020 season - might actually be say 3/50 type range or something a bit cheaper to bring back

[BobbieL]

I'd pass on Schoeder, red flags on personality and just not a good enough shooter or defender to really contribute what they need.

Brogdon is a good fit but that package suggested is too much. I assume he's not going anywhere but I guess if they plan on extending Bledsoe it's possible they look at moving him but in that case I assume they will use him in a package for a win now vet.

I'd like Smart if they could simply convince him not to shoot; his problem isn't only that he's bad at shooting but that he likes to jack them up. Plus I kind of feel like you can draft a defensive wing specialist like Smith or Melton and use the money to solve a different need.

I like Van Vleet if they could get him at a reasonable price; kind of a poor mans Brogdon.

Overall I also kind of think they need to be cautious to spend their assets on a high usage guy unless he's a 'star' type. Booker obviously needs usage and if you're taking Ayton #1 you might as well feature him on O because it's his most ready trait so they might want to spend on guys who will help them in their other problem areas vs someone who's best skill set is pure scoring. This is where a guy like Favors could make some sense.

this is to me why Marcus Smart makes sense next to Booker with Jackson and Ayton. defensive guy, tough.. not a good shot but his defense is so much better than Shroeder, Payton. Van Fleet is a good name too - he is an RFA but they are so capped out - can really do a contract that screws over the Raptors

[Kerrsed]

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[Mjee]

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Dame would be perfect here

[Dambo]

Dame to PHX confirmed.

[Mjee]

Dame to PHX confirmed.

I would trade Miami 2021 1st and next years pick 2019 unprotected to get him !!!

I wonder if Portland would even let him go

[WeekapaugGroove]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/13/17456996/biggest-needs-nba-offseason-western-conference

Ringer article on West team needs. Interesting they advise 'no win now moves' because I do think a desperate McD is going to go against that advise. I would amend that statement to say if they can land an impact player then by all means do it but if they can't then I would probably go the Sixers route from last year where you over pay for a 1 year vet. Try to get a little better and if the young guys look good all of the sudden you might be a place FA's want to come to next season. Don't lock in big long term money on role players that's just a recipe for future issues.

[bwgood77]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/13/17456996/biggest-needs-nba-offseason-western-conference

Ringer article on West team needs. Interesting they advise 'no win now moves' because I do think a desperate McD is going to go against that advise. I would amend that statement to say if they can land an impact player then by all means do it but if they can't then I would probably go the Sixers route from last year where you over pay for a 1 year vet. Try to get a little better and if the young guys look good all of the sudden you might be a place FA's want to come to next season. Don't lock in big long term money on role players that's just a recipe for future issues.

I agree. I found the S&T Boogie for Otto Porter Jr to be an interesting idea for both teams.

[BobbieL]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/13/17456996/biggest-needs-nba-offseason-western-conference

Ringer article on West team needs. Interesting they advise 'no win now moves' because I do think a desperate McD is going to go against that advise. I would amend that statement to say if they can land an impact player then by all means do it but if they can't then I would probably go the Sixers route from last year where you over pay for a 1 year vet. Try to get a little better and if the young guys look good all of the sudden you might be a place FA's want to come to next season. Don't lock in big long term money on role players that's just a recipe for future issues.

or the strategy Sarver employed when he let Kerr walk and was pseudo GM - sign average guys to multi year deals so when if Hakim wanted multiple years, you sign Etan Thomas for one year!!

i totally agree - if Ryan doesn't find the right long term fit - overpay on a one year deal like you said. Keep your cap space - you can always still trade a guy at the deadline on an expiring deal too. 7 days until draft 2 weeks and 3 days until free agency ..

[BobbieL]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/13/17456996/biggest-needs-nba-offseason-western-conference

Ringer article on West team needs. Interesting they advise 'no win now moves' because I do think a desperate McD is going to go against that advise. I would amend that statement to say if they can land an impact player then by all means do it but if they can't then I would probably go the Sixers route from last year where you over pay for a 1 year vet. Try to get a little better and if the young guys look good all of the sudden you might be a place FA's want to come to next season. Don't lock in big long term money on role players that's just a recipe for future issues.

I agree. I found the S&T Boogie for Otto Porter Jr to be an interesting idea for both teams.

they are right about Carmelo - just buy him out, stretch him - whatever and move on. i think Presto probably would like a do-over on that one. Kanter and McDermott probably would have helped the Thunder more than Anthony did

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's interesting they mention keeping Payton. I really want to believe in his skill set and that there is still something to be salvaged but man was he bad those last 10 or so games he played for the Suns. One thing I either missed or hasn't been really reported is what was up with his injury late last year? When did it happen and was it the reason he sucked? The most troubling thing I saw with him was his lack of effort in some of those game; for christ sake if he can't get himself to play hard in a contract year then that's a huge red flag.