The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

My Goodness, Wolf.
Around 50% in FTs and a bad athlete who is supposed to play PF in the NBA.
Impossible.

Danny Wolf is a good prospect. In the ESPN mock draft he goes to the Wolves at #17.

He shot 59.4% from the FTL, but he can shoot the ball. He shot 33.6% from 3 on 3.1 attempts per game. The form is great.

He is a good ball handler and good passer and his mobility is really good for a 6'11+ player. 7'2 wingspan so he can alter shots at the rim (1.4 blocks).

I would like to draft him but we are gonna need to acquire another pick or trade up from #29 to get him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Not enough assets. We can trade KD for a better package to a different team.

How do you know that? I dont think KD is going to fetch us as much as we think. Dude is old, and not a great leader.

It's actually no small secret because KD played with ANT in the Olympics and ANT has openly stated that he idolizes KD and really gets up for playing against him every time he plays the Suns. He's wanted to play with KD for awhile now, just like Wembayama who also considers KD his favorite player too.

I think the value KD will command in trades might actually surprise people, because even at 37, he's still pretty unstoppable and he's still putting up elite All NBA type numbers on elite efficiency. Now add that to his very unique skillset as a 7 fter who can score at will against any defense and also his clout around the league with other players, and the suns will still make out pretty good, better than expected.

The only downside will be our front office's negotiating prowess, because I'm far less certain they can operate with any high levels of competency or recieve mutual respect from other GMs as a result of their very poor reputation so far.

Our front office will be the biggest catalyst to a favorable or unfavorable outcome.

[King4Day]

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Cool thought but I think Utah will want, and get, more in return than what we will get for KD.

If we got Markkanan straight up for KD, I'd be completely good with that. Almost like kicking the can down the road. If it doesn't work, we can always get decent value for Lauri.
But that extra pick Pincus has going to us would have to go to the Jazz IMO.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Not enough assets. We can trade KD for a better package to a different team.

If we work with the Wolves, I want McDaniels as the centerpiece. At worst, Reid. Anyone else and we're better off finding a deal elsewhere.

I'd want McDaniels too, but overall wouldn't be utterly upset with coming out of a Minnesota trade with either Gobert or Randle as a centerpiece as long as the value is made up elsewhere in the deal. Like the mandatory (for me) inclusion of Dillingham AND the 17th and 31st picks. And the filler would need to be Di Vincenzo too.

Because that'd allow us to then trade one of Allen or Di Vincenzo along with O'neale in another trade while keeping the other and then getting other players and draft assets to further accentuate value.

Also Dillingham (recently a top 8 lotto pick) I'd trade to Brooklyn or Orlando for a player and picks too. This way we could utilize the package more fully to squeeze out maximum value from the pieces involved.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Not enough assets. We can trade KD for a better package to a different team.

I think it really depends upon what the package contains and what we can do with the pieces involved to generate more young players, picks, assets, cap flexibility. Squeezing value out of each potential package.

We might be able to do more than what appears on the surface.

[Slim Charless]

I doubt that there is any coach in history that did not win a championship due to having great players and rosters. The possibly greatest coach in history had either Michael and Scottie or Kobie and Shaq. He won without a big three. Red Aurbach always had the best roster in the league. You have to give it up to Popovich and the Spurs. They won when Pop had the best roster but hung on to him in the good and bad times.

.....also Moronty sucks and did even more so back then.

I wonder how Detroit feels about him? Same team BTW, slightly different results....by about 30 games I believe. 1 of the largest differences in NBA history.

Yeah.

BTW you are absolutely making up nonsense.

1. They fired the old GM
2. The owner stepped aside and let the new GM do his job.
3. Theses are the additions

Malik Beasly - 82 games 27.8 minutes - 16.3 Points
Tim Hardaway - 77 games 28.0 minutes 11.0 Points
Tobias Harris - 73 games 31.6 minutes 17.6 points
Ron Holand - 81 Games 15.6 minutes 6.4 points
Dennis Schroder -28 Games - 25.2 minutes 10.8 Points

and Duren stayed healthy along with Cade. Holland looks like he could be really special.

Not the same team.

What Phoenix Suns coach in the past 20 years other than MDA could have done a better job the Monty did?

I like it when the Suns sin basketball games and Monty just happened to be the coach when we won a lot of basketball games. Why do you hate him so? Didn't he let you date his daughter or something.

30 games.

Players themselves said the difference was coaching.

You're an idiot.

[BobbieL]

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Not enough assets. We can trade KD for a better package to a different team.

I think it really depends upon what the package contains and what we can do with the pieces involved to generate more young players, picks, assets, cap flexibility. Squeezing value out of each potential package.

We might be able to do more than what appears on the surface.

Bidding war time!

Lets drive that price up higher and higher!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Given our position, I'd consider KD for Gobert, Dillingham, Minott, #17 and a future FRP.

[starbosa10]

Going to suck if it's just vassell, Barnes, and 14 (which we'll use on Jase lol)

[BobbieL]

Given our position, I'd consider KD for Gobert, Dillingham, Minott, #17 and a future FRP.

Gobert would give the Suns a presence at the 5 while Dillingham would be your PG. Goberts contract isn't terrible

Probably prefer Gobert over Randle

I can see the positives of Gobert with Booker and Dunn

[Puff]

.....also Moronty sucks and did even more so back then.

I wonder how Detroit feels about him? Same team BTW, slightly different results....by about 30 games I believe. 1 of the largest differences in NBA history.

Yeah.

BTW you are absolutely making up nonsense.

1. They fired the old GM
2. The owner stepped aside and let the new GM do his job.
3. Theses are the additions

Malik Beasly - 82 games 27.8 minutes - 16.3 Points
Tim Hardaway - 77 games 28.0 minutes 11.0 Points
Tobias Harris - 73 games 31.6 minutes 17.6 points
Ron Holand - 81 Games 15.6 minutes 6.4 points
Dennis Schroder -28 Games - 25.2 minutes 10.8 Points

and Duren stayed healthy along with Cade. Holland looks like he could be really special.

Not the same team.

What Phoenix Suns coach in the past 20 years other than MDA could have done a better job the Monty did?

I like it when the Suns sin basketball games and Monty just happened to be the coach when we won a lot of basketball games. Why do you hate him so? Didn't he let you date his daughter or something.

30 games.

Players themselves said the difference was coaching.

You're an idiot.

You have a problem. Go get help. Soon!

I am sure that the players are going to take responsibility. When has that ever happened?

Give some facts rather than just opinions.

18/19 41/41 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
19/20 20/46 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
20/21 20/52 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
21/22 23/59 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
22/23 17/65 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
23/24 14/68 Monty Williams good coach -Troy Weaver
24/25 44/38 Bickerstaff good coach (Why did Cleveland fire him?) - Trajan Langdon - Brought in new players and a different coach - I expect a lot of other good things as well - congratulations to him and the Pistons

Monty walked into a losing situation and did not have the correct support to make it work. He did have a group of young players that have the potential to make the Pistons a factor going forward. They were not ready to make the jump into a winning team. I give Langdon and Bickerstaff the credit they deserve. They have turned the Pistons fortunes around. Facts are facts. Troy Weaver was the biggest problem.

[BobbieL]

Going to suck if it's just vassell, Barnes, and 14 (which we'll use on Jase lol)

thats not that great if its Vassell who is duplicative with Booker and 14

though you are correct about picking Jase

[Slim Charless]

BTW you are absolutely making up nonsense.

1. They fired the old GM
2. The owner stepped aside and let the new GM do his job.
3. Theses are the additions

Malik Beasly - 82 games 27.8 minutes - 16.3 Points
Tim Hardaway - 77 games 28.0 minutes 11.0 Points
Tobias Harris - 73 games 31.6 minutes 17.6 points
Ron Holand - 81 Games 15.6 minutes 6.4 points
Dennis Schroder -28 Games - 25.2 minutes 10.8 Points

and Duren stayed healthy along with Cade. Holland looks like he could be really special.

Not the same team.

What Phoenix Suns coach in the past 20 years other than MDA could have done a better job the Monty did?

I like it when the Suns sin basketball games and Monty just happened to be the coach when we won a lot of basketball games. Why do you hate him so? Didn't he let you date his daughter or something.

30 games.

Players themselves said the difference was coaching.

You're an idiot.

You have a problem. Go get help. Soon!

I am sure that the players are going to take responsibility. When has that ever happened?

Give some facts rather than just opinions.

18/19 41/41 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
19/20 20/46 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
20/21 20/52 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
21/22 23/59 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
22/23 17/65 Dwayne Casey good coach - Troy Weaver
23/24 14/68 Monty Williams good coach -Troy Weaver
24/25 44/38 Bickerstaff good coach (Why did Cleveland fire him?) - Trajan Langdon - Brought in new players and a different coach - I expect a lot of other good things as well - congratulations to him and the Pistons

Monty walked into a losing situation and did not have the correct support to make it work. He did have a group of young players that have the potential to make the Pistons a factor going forward. They were not ready to make the jump into a winning team. I give Langdon and Bickerstaff the credit they deserve. They have turned the Pistons fortunes around. Facts are facts. Troy Weaver was the biggest problem.

Lol.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man 4 years ago my two favorite teams faced off in the finals. Not sure the next 4 years could have played out worse for either team. Sheesh

Both made big swing trades in KD and Dame. I was cool with the moves because you need to take some chances but damn did both NOT work. At least the Suns should be able to salvage some value with a KD trade this summer. Dames Achilles exploding sunk his already dwindling value.


Tough times.

[Saberestar]

Going to suck if it's just vassell, Barnes, and 14 (which we'll use on Jase lol)

We are gonna get better offers than that.

If we negotiate with the Spurs and they say no to trade any of Castle/Fox/Harper (#2) we need to ask for Sochan next to Vassell.

If we are serious about adding defense and grit to our roster a guy like Sochan can help us with that. He is just 22 years old and I have been always impressed with his overall defense. He is switchable for real.

Vassell/Sochan/Barnes/#14 and 2 future unprotected FRPs.

[BobbieL]

Going to suck if it's just vassell, Barnes, and 14 (which we'll use on Jase lol)

We are gonna get better offers than that.

If we negotiate with the Spurs and they say no to trade any of Castle/Fox/Harper (#2) we need to ask for Sochan next to Vassell.

If we are serious about adding defense and grit to our roster a guy like Sochan can help us with that. He is just 22 years old and I have been always impressed with his overall defense. He is switchable for real.

Vassell/Sochan/Barnes/#14 and 2 future unprotected FRPs.

What about Jabari, Reed, Green and a couple of the Suns picks back - what do you like better?
Flip Green to another team?

[Saberestar]

Going to suck if it's just vassell, Barnes, and 14 (which we'll use on Jase lol)

We are gonna get better offers than that.

If we negotiate with the Spurs and they say no to trade any of Castle/Fox/Harper (#2) we need to ask for Sochan next to Vassell.

If we are serious about adding defense and grit to our roster a guy like Sochan can help us with that. He is just 22 years old and I have been always impressed with his overall defense. He is switchable for real.

Vassell/Sochan/Barnes/#14 and 2 future unprotected FRPs.

What about Jabari, Reed, Green and a couple of the Suns picks back - what do you like better?
Flip Green to another team?

IDK...it's pretty close.

I value Jabari Smith Jr lower than most people. I think he is OK on offense as an stretch 4 but defensively he is negative.

Reed is a mystery. He can go both ways.

[thamadkant]

Knicks going after Giannis? When they see the cost of Giannis -- that OG, Robinson and Kolek for Durant won't look so bad

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As I said earlier on this thread and on the main board....
Giannis and Knicks have mutual interest.. strong interest.


Towns and OG for Giannis and salary filler. Bucks get 2 good starters and try to compete and Knicks get their defensive monster to dominate the boards and inside scoring.

Knicks may send pick swaps or any left over picks they have after the Mikal trade.

[thamadkant]

If KD embraces the low post and spot up role like a traditional stretch 4 does.... he would be the best stretch 4 in the game... ala Dirk back in his prime. The guy can shoot over anyone outside of Wemby. If you put a big on him he will just dribble around them and shoot fade aways. You double him down low and he has good enough skills to get a pass out or draw a foul because he's quick for a 7 footer.

I would rather keep KD than take bad offers. He is Suns best player and top 15 arguably top 10 best player looking at his stats and advance stats. He just on a wrong team with bad chemistry.

[BobbieL]

[quote="thamadkant"]If KD embraces the low post and spot up role like a traditional stretch 4 does.... he would be the best stretch 4 in the game... ala Dirk back in his prime. The guy can shoot over anyone outside of Wemby. If you put a big on him he will just dribble around them and shoot fade aways. You double him down low and he has good enough skills to get a pass out or draw a foul because he's quick for a 7 footer.

I would rather keep KD than take bad offers. He is Suns best player and top 15 arguably top 10 best player looking at his stats and advance stats. He just on a wrong team with bad chemistry.[/quote]

He is part of the bad chemistry. Booker and Durant do not complement each other