The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Damkac]

Batum is the only one of them I would consider. And I would do the trade you proposed. Horford is old and Barnes is nothing special.

[Saberestar]

Batum like an small ball PF would be great here. He is my favourite option...not a big fan of Barnes but he is a good and young player.

Horford has played like an old man this last season...I think he is not an All Star anymore. I wouldn't sign him.

[Qwigglez]

I would have preferred LMA to Al Horford honestly. Horford seems too relaxed and doesn't care about winning so much so I don't really want him. Batum and Barnes would be okay but not for the max. If we got Batum for $13-14mil I wouldn't be mad, but anything more and I'd rather have another team overpay for his services. I feel like Warren is better than Barnes offensively.

[Saberestar]

I would have preferred LMA to Al Horford honestly. Horford seems too relaxed and doesn't care about winning so much so I don't really want him. Batum and Barnes would be okay but not for the max. If we got Batum for $13-14mil I wouldn't be mad, but anything more and I'd rather have another team overpay for his services. I feel like Warren is better than Barnes offensively.

Batum is is getting the max even without trying...under the new cap the money is not important at all, not anymore.
You have to spend and there are not enough great players in the league right now.
You have to pay someone and Batum is a really good option.

[MathiasPW]

I have a hard time understanding this Oprah's "everybody will get a max" logic.
Cap rises, so does the minimum payroll. But most teams will still be above the minimum, so not forced to spend - except the 76ers.

Now, max salaries are based as a percentage of the cap. Max salaries will increase, but why would you pay unworthy players the max? You would still be locking your team up with a Josh Childress-like situation, making it harder to have money available for the players that are really worth it once they become available.

I'd still expect players to get a similar percentage of the cap as they currently earn, even if that means a lot higher wage.

[bwgood77]

Hope. I would also hope the Suns would be interested. The Kings need to get rid of him. Cousins will bring the best out of Bledsoe. I think chemistry would be great.

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Or Boogie would commandeer our team, do as he pleases, take Bled and Knight along on the "coach don't know ****" mentality because neither have strong enough personalities to say anything against him, hampering Booker's development because he's forced to choose between doing right by coach or being loyal to the UK mafia, leading to Archie getting all his minutes because Archie would be Boogie's #1 disciple, unwavering in his commitment to Big Blue. Half-way through the season acting player-coach Boogie would order a code red on Rudy Gobert of the Utah Jazz because he keeps blocking the **** out of him leading to a brawl bigger than the Malice at the Palace resulting in not only suspension of the 4 Wildcats (everyone but Booker), but also a trial against Boogie for assault with a deadly weapon because he picked Archie up and swung him like a baseball bat at Gobert's knees. Archie insists his being categorized as a deadly weapon was due to the fact that he is a sharp shooter, but in reality it's because he's a bag of bricks.

We do not have the capability to get the best out of Boogie, but we could definitely get the worst.

And there is also the fact that it has been plastered all over the news AFTER the Joerger hiring that Sacramento will not be trading Boogie in the immediate future. You see a trend here? Coach gets hired, wants Boogie gone, coach gets fired.

It seems if one gives it a tiny bit of thought, the reason Joerger got hired is because he is going to make it work with Boogie....thus the

It sounds like DeMarcus Cousins isn't going anywhere. After introducing Dave Joerger as the Sacramento Kings' new head coach, vice president and general manager Vlade Divac told reporters that he is not looking to move his franchise center.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SeanCunningham/status/730113997589065728[/tweet]

Former Kings coach George Karl recently said that the Kings could rebuild faster by trading Cousins. Some believe that, after everything Cousins has been through in his six years in Sacramento, it would be best for both sides to go their separate ways. With two seasons left on his contract, the Kings could surely get quality young players and picks in a trade.

If Sacramento traded Cousins, though, the front office would be hoping that one of the players it got in return could develop into a star. Cousins already is a star. Generally, you don't trade franchise players unless it's clear that they would rather be somewhere else.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25583370/vlade-divac-says-kings-have-no-plans-to-trade-demarcus-cousins-this-year

[DRK]

Could we retool on the fly with the draft and with Free Agency? If that is the direction Sarver wants to go straight to the playoffs, instead of a full rebuild, I would be on board with something like this, while not relinquishing our youth.

I still believe Dwight is a top center in the league, and I feel we can give him the best chance to win here in Phoenix if we surround him with the right talent.

Sign Dwight Howard = 3 years 65 million.

We package Tyson Chandler + #13 pick, Goodwin to Toronto for DeMarre Carroll. Carroll provides great defence at the 3 and 4.


Resign Teletovic to play next to Dwight in a Ryan Anderson Role.

Draft BPA at our pick, and draft a project like Zhou Qi or Thon Maker #28 that can stay in the D-League for a few seasons.
Ideally would sign another vet PF off the bench that provides some more inside scoring. Someone like Brandon Bass.


Dwight/Len
Carroll/Mirza/Bass
PJ/TJ
Booker/Bogdan
Bledsoe/Knight/Price

That team has a great mixture of youth. We have good/elite defenders at every position except for SG, and we have the spacing for a 4 out/1 in offence.

Ideally would sign another vet PF off the bench that provides some more inside scoring. Someone like Brandon Bass.

That would be my ultimate "go all in now" plan for this team if that is what Robert Sarver is pushing for. The Dwight contract is not an albatross, and our medical staff can help sustain him. 30-35 minutes a night for Dwight would be ideal, with a capable backup in Alex Len behind him.

Dwight, if you are serious about winning, we can build this team around you.



.... and before anyone says "that is a treadmill team." Look no further than what Portland was able to accomplish this year in the playoffs; a team of castoffs and spare parts were a few Steph Curry shots away from the Western Conference Finals.

[MathiasPW]

That is a horrendous treadmill team.

Build your team around an aging injury prone prima donna who can't shoot free throws is a formula for disaster. I'd rather keep Chandler for what we pay him.

[Saberestar]

Howard is done. I am not interested at all.

[Frank Lee]

Could we retool on the fly with the draft and with Free Agency? If that is the direction Sarver wants to go straight to the playoffs, instead of a full rebuild, I would be on board with something like this, while not relinquishing our youth.

I still believe Dwight is a top center in the league, and I feel we can give him the best chance to win here in Phoenix if we surround him with the right talent.

Sign Dwight Howard = 3 years 65 million.

We package Tyson Chandler + #13 pick, Goodwin to Toronto for DeMarre Carroll. Carroll provides great defence at the 3 and 4.


Resign Teletovic to play next to Dwight in a Ryan Anderson Role.

Draft BPA at our pick, and draft a project like Zhou Qi or Thon Maker #28 that can stay in the D-League for a few seasons.
Ideally would sign another vet PF off the bench that provides some more inside scoring. Someone like Brandon Bass.


Dwight/Len
Carroll/Mirza/Bass
PJ/TJ
Booker/Bogdan
Bledsoe/Knight/Price

That team has a great mixture of youth. We have good/elite defenders at every position except for SG, and we have the spacing for a 4 out/1 in offence.

Ideally would sign another vet PF off the bench that provides some more inside scoring. Someone like Brandon Bass.

That would be my ultimate "go all in now" plan for this team if that is what Robert Sarver is pushing for. The Dwight contract is not an albatross, and our medical staff can help sustain him. 30-35 minutes a night for Dwight would be ideal, with a capable backup in Alex Len behind him.

Dwight, if you are serious about winning, we can build this team around you.



.... and before anyone says "that is a treadmill team." Look no further than what Portland was able to accomplish this year in the playoffs; a team of castoffs and spare parts were a few Steph Curry shots away from the Western Conference Finals.

Interesting.... DHoward certainly is a big enough name for a cap feather in McMully's topper. But adding him for 3+ assures Len of a backup role and pretty much derails his future here. Might as well deal him too, as he wont resign. I think this yr is the make or break one for all those on the A-Len-train. DHow would be a D-esparation move IMO.... but is that where MCMulligan is ????


The Tblazers are a great example of why it is important to make the playoffs, even as a lowly 7-8 seed. We were 1 game shy a few yrs back, then the dismantling began with the 'appears to be continual' roster gutting. Our rebuild has stalled. The effort was there but the assembly was flawed.

We have to build with trades and FA, and then just hope we get a draft pick that develops into someone productive. I think Barkley was talking about it.... you draft these kids who aren't ready and by the time they are, their contract is nearing the end. It just takes too long unless you have perpetually sucked for 3-4 yrs in a row. Our picks have not put us in that position. This could / should be our last as a top 3 going in. Sarver will not tolerate continual suckage like McMully has provided.

So far, our draft has yielded one solid hopeful in Booker. Jury is out on Len and Warren and no matter how hard you wish, neither has shown they can be every day starters let alone the all-NBA considerations some have given them.




I expect some maximum effort in trade land and glad to hear the FO has a FA list. I wont be surprised if none of those 3 join us though.
I still think Sullinger will be our consolation prize.

[DRK]

That is a horrendous treadmill team.

Build your team around an aging injury prone prima donna who can't shoot free throws is a formula for disaster. I'd rather keep Chandler for what we pay him.

.... and before anyone says "that is a treadmill team." Look no further than what Portland was able to accomplish this year in the playoffs; a team of castoffs and spare parts were a few Steph Curry shots away from the Western Conference Finals.

And to add, we wont be "building around Dwight." Even Dwight knows he isnt a number 1 option, but we can give him and our team the best chance to be in the playoffs and make some noise. Dwight, Demarre, PJ, and Bled are all elite defenders. That defence alone would give any team some trouble in a seven game series.

I dont believe in the term "treadmill team," because it truly does not exist.

2009/2010 Suns were supposed to be a "treadmill team" going into the season with Channing Frye as our starter and starting Jarron Collins in the Playoffs. How far did we go? And as stated, have you seen the playoffs this year? Miami? PDX? Treadmill right?

If we can convince Dwight that we can give him the best chance to win IF be buys into a team-first mentality, I have no doubt whatsoever we can make noise in the West with that lineup. Dwight may not be the Orlando superstar he once was, but hes still good for 15/12 with great defence.

If we want to win now, I dont see a better option that this.

[Qwigglez]

I wouldn't want to mess with Dwight. Simply put, he just doesn't have the desire to win anymore.
I'd rather wait and see how the draft pans out first, and when we don't get a top two pick just stand pat, see what this team can do, maybe get a top 3-5 pick in the 2017 draft. If we end up barely missing the playoffs though then we can look at the 2017 free agency list which appears to have a bigger talent pool.


On a different note, you guys thinks Milwaukee might want Brandon Knight back? Knight + Wizards pick for Greg Monroe.

[letsgosuns]

http://hoopshype.com/2016/05/03/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/

This might be the worst free agent class I have ever seen. There is nobody available except Durant that is a game changing player. The next best available guy is probably Whiteside and he does not fit what the Suns need. The Suns should just keep their top pick, draft the best player available, and configure the rest of the team through trades.

[Frank Lee]

we will definitely add a free-agent or two... Maybe not the big ticket big-name ones. It's up to McMully to find a bargain. I agree, I think trade is our best avenue and just hope we don't draft a kid who won't contribute as projected.

Telly just might be our big signing.

I'm fully expecting the front office to champion a healthy Bledsoe as our main addition

[MathiasPW]

That is a horrendous treadmill team.

Build your team around an aging injury prone prima donna who can't shoot free throws is a formula for disaster. I'd rather keep Chandler for what we pay him.

.... and before anyone says "that is a treadmill team." Look no further than what Portland was able to accomplish this year in the playoffs; a team of castoffs and spare parts were a few Steph Curry shots away from the Western Conference Finals.

And to add, we wont be "building around Dwight." Even Dwight knows he isnt a number 1 option, but we can give him and our team the best chance to be in the playoffs and make some noise. Dwight, Demarre, PJ, and Bled are all elite defenders. That defence alone would give any team some trouble in a seven game series.

I dont believe in the term "treadmill team," because it truly does not exist.

2009/2010 Suns were supposed to be a "treadmill team" going into the season with Channing Frye as our starter and starting Jarron Collins in the Playoffs. How far did we go? And as stated, have you seen the playoffs this year? Miami? PDX? Treadmill right?

If we can convince Dwight that we can give him the best chance to win IF be buys into a team-first mentality, I have no doubt whatsoever we can make noise in the West with that lineup. Dwight may not be the Orlando superstar he once was, but hes still good for 15/12 with great defence.

If we want to win now, I dont see a better option that this.

That's exactly why I said HORRENDOUS treadmill team .

You also can't use the exception to the rule in Portland as an example of a model for use to follow.

I'm not in favor of bottoming out, but I dont like that specific team you built. There is just not enough playmaking for the offense to work

[Jdiddy701]

The Utah Jazz have new jerseys.. They look very familiar to their old ones, except the pride jersey. They are really nice.

I still wish the Suns home jersey had the black substituted with purple. That jersey would be amazing. Also, I really hope next year we wear throwbacks, the last year we had them, our team was garbage (Michael Beasley).

Would love to buy a Booker throwback jersey. I also can't wait for Nike to take over!


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[sunshoopjunky]

https://www.facebook.com/suns/videos/10154159852323996/

this video tho.

[nevetsov]

I'd like orange as home and black as road, with a white throwback home alternate and a purple road throwback alternate.

[Jdiddy701]

So I found out how the Suns players are able to work out with the training staff. The season isn't over.


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[bwgood77]

I dont believe in the term "treadmill team," because it truly does not exist.

I have to say this is something I wholeheartedly agree with. It's ridiculous. The NBA has ALWAYS had the teams with stars at the top and everyone else trying to build something to get there, until a few years ago (when some teams seemed to WANT to bottom out), or you can say it started with OKC, but they KNEW they had a probable star when they pulled the trigger on their rebuild. You can't tank for hope. Getting to the playoffs is fun and important for a team. Most teams will always have a VERY hard time breaking through against a team led by a superstar or two.

Someone was talking about breaking down Atlanta on the general board the other day. Lots of discussion in that thread that was interesting on how fans think...so they lose to Cleveland in the ECF and then the semi's a year later and you tear the team apart?

I don't know if I'd really want Dwight. I don't think he's done, and I'd rather build through the draft, but I would love to add someone to make an impact. I think Chandler provides great leadership and mentors the young guys well. Free agency is going to be WAY too tough to count on, but I would say keep building assets, and when you have enough to strike a really good deal, do it. THEN you can probably sign an impact free agent.