The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

Frank Lee · Post #1361 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:54 am

Harrison Barnes probably lost 10 million this series. Cant see a max deal going his way now

8on · Post #1362 » by **8on** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:13 pm

in fact, maybe this series is the reason they don't match & he ends up a Sun

King4Day · Post #1363 » by **King4Day** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:19 pm

I think they'll be better off letting him walk and, as someone else mentioned, go after Dudley.

I still think they pursue trading Love, but only if they get a solid return.

RaisingArizona · Post #1364 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:34 pm

sportscrazy wrote:Carmelo Anthony to Cleveland
Kevin Love to Phoenix
4th, Brandon Knight and T.J. Warren to New York

You can't be serious...

nevetsov · Post #1365 » by **nevetsov** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:21 pm

If the Dubs could replace Barnes with anyone (sans Durant), I'd seriously go after Batum. Reckon he'd fit like a glove in that starting line-up.

Also I think, while LeBron has the skillet to play anywhere, he's much more suited to the new age utility PF role (playmaking/three and D) of the modern day NBA. He can board with and defend any NBA PF and is probably the only guy capable of out-Draymonding Draymond Green in that hybrid role. Cavs would function much better as a team with a couple of good 3D wings running with Kyrie and LBJ, and a dominant interior big.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1366 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:22 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Harrison Barnes probably lost 10 million this series. Cant see a max deal going his way now

Oh yeah Barnes was so tragically bad his price has definitely went down. I think the last couple games also proved the Warriors need another big. Bogut is on his last legs and varajo and ezeli were completely useless the last few games. Say the suns could get Barnes for around 4 and 48mil and offer chandler in exchange for not matching is that a gamble the suns should take? I'm not 100% sold but it would be tempting.

Post #1367 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:37 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Harrison Barnes probably lost 10 million this series. Cant see a max deal going his way now

Oh yeah Barnes was so tragically bad his price has definitely went down. I think the last couple games also proved the Warriors need another big. Bogut is on his last legs and varajo and ezeli were completely useless the last few games. Say the suns could get Barnes for around 4 and 48mil and offer chandler in exchange for not matching is that a gamble the suns should take? I'm not 100% sold but it would be tempting.

No, I like Warren and I've demonstrated before that Barnes is a below average player that isn't even a great shooter when all he gets is wide open jumpers. And he is obviously bad in big game moments.

I'd rather Warren get the time and if you're thinking PF I like it a tad more but then again, since he's a below average player, no.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1368 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:46 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Harrison Barnes probably lost 10 million this series. Cant see a max deal going his way now

Oh yeah Barnes was so tragically bad his price has definitely went down. I think the last couple games also proved the Warriors need another big. Bogut is on his last legs and varajo and ezeli were completely useless the last few games. Say the suns could get Barnes for around 4 and 48mil and offer chandler in exchange for not matching is that a gamble the suns should take? I'm not 100% sold but it would be tempting.

No, I like Warren and I've demonstrated before that Barnes is a below average player that isn't even a great shooter when all he gets is wide open jumpers. And he is obviously bad in big game moments.

I'd rather Warren get the time and if you're thinking PF I like it a tad more but then again, since he's a below average player, no.

I get this line of thinking and I'm personally not super high on Barnes but why I would at least consider it is if faced with paying chandler or Barnes the same amount of money the next few years I'd choose Barnes and hope a change of scenery and a new role would do him well. I might be bias though since I've never liked the chandler signing and don't really want him on this team.

RaisingArizona · Post #1369 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:49 pm

Barnes was epically bad the last 3 games but a 4/48 with this ridiculous rising cap wouldn't be bad at all, IMO.

Post #1370 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:31 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Oh yeah Barnes was so tragically bad his price has definitely went down. I think the last couple games also proved the Warriors need another big. Bogut is on his last legs and varajo and ezeli were completely useless the last few games. Say the suns could get Barnes for around 4 and 48mil and offer chandler in exchange for not matching is that a gamble the suns should take? I'm not 100% sold but it would be tempting.

No, I like Warren and I've demonstrated before that Barnes is a below average player that isn't even a great shooter when all he gets is wide open jumpers. And he is obviously bad in big game moments.

I'd rather Warren get the time and if you're thinking PF I like it a tad more but then again, since he's a below average player, no.

I get this line of thinking and I'm personally not super high on Barnes but why I would at least consider it is if faced with paying chandler or Barnes the same amount of money the next few years I'd choose Barnes and hope a change of scenery and a new role would do him well. I might be bias though since I've never liked the chandler signing and don't really want him on this team.

Well Chandler, if you view it as a bad contract (I wouldn't classify it as good by any means, but probably not as bad as some), is a sunk cost. It doesn't help to add another contract that you don't like, even if it is not worth it.

And as much as people continue to say he lost a ton of money in this postseason, some team is still going to become desperate and offer him a huge contract, so he is likely to get around $20 million a year and that team will hope for the best.

jcsunsfan · Post #1371 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:57 pm

DarkHawk wrote:I think they'll be better off letting him walk and, as someone else mentioned, go after Dudley.

I still think they pursue trading Love, but only if they get a solid return.

They are going to let him walk and go after Durant.

jcsunsfan · Post #1372 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:01 pm

I think Chandler is a very attractive player for the right team. The Warriors could use him. So could OKC if they keep Durant. I think San Antonio would be interested too.

Post #1373 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:04 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:I think they'll be better off letting him walk and, as someone else mentioned, go after Dudley.

I still think they pursue trading Love, but only if they get a solid return.

They are going to let him walk and go after Durant.

They can go after Durant first, but I'd be shocked if Durant signed with them.

Post #1374 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:12 pm

Another Chad Ford idea:

Suns send: Brandon Knight, Alex Len, Jon Leuer and picks Nos. 4 and 28
Spurs send: LaMarcus Aldridge, Patty Mills, Jonathan Simmons and No. 29 pick

View trade in ESPN's trade machine

Why the Spurs do it: It's very tough to break up a team that won 67 games last season. But Father Time is coming for the Spurs.

Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are all slowing down significantly. If they don't act quickly to retool on the fly, the Spurs could be in for a much longer rebuilding process down the road.

Aldridge was good for them this year, but he doesn't look good enough to carry this team with Kawhi Leonard. Knight would give them a young, athletic combo-guard who can play both backcourt positions. Len has some real potential in the paint. And those two lottery picks from the Suns should allow San Antonio to add two talented young pieces to its core.

If they could walk away with Dragan Bender or Kris Dunn, then the Spurs would have a nice, youthful foundation going forward without having to bottom out. In fact, I think this roster would still be a playoff team in the West.

Why the Suns do it: Owner Robert Sarver has been pretty impatient in Phoenix. While they look like they are rebuilding, the Suns are trying to follow the Celtics' blueprint of collecting valuable players and picks and flipping them into veteran stars.

Aldridge was a player the Suns pursued avidly in 2015, and he showed interest in playing in Phoenix. He would fit a major need for the Suns at the 4, immediately improving their chances of being a powerful playoff team in the West. And while the cost of a lottery pick, Knight and Len is high, the Suns would still get to hang onto their most coveted young piece in Devin Booker as well as Eric Bledsoe.

The combination of Aldridge, Booker, Bledsoe and T.J. Warren should be a formidable one.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16320627/nba-draft-trades-love-see-featuring-demarcus-cousins-carmelo-anthony-kevin-love-more

8on · Post #1375 » by **8on** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:17 pm

Spurs would never.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1376 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:38 pm

It's amazing to me that a guy like ford gets paid to do this yet puts a free agent in leuer in this idea. It's a minor thing but come on dude be better at your job.

RaisingArizona · Post #1377 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:54 pm

No, don't want to trade for LMA after last offseason.

King4Day · Post #1378 » by **King4Day** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:31 pm

No thanks to that Spurs trade idea. We're less further along in our rebuild. No reason to give up so many assets in order to be placed back on the treadmill

Also, this is why players need to be careful with going somewhere to play 'home'. One year later, if he gets traded, he'll be upset I'm sure.

TeamTragic · Post #1379 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:15 pm

sportscrazy wrote:Carmelo Anthony to Cleveland
Kevin Love to Phoenix
4th, Brandon Knight and T.J. Warren to New York

**** terrible :noway:

Qwigglez wrote:I'd be willing to do Eric Bledsoe/#13 for Kevin Love and that's about it. Draft Kris Dunn who might be able to do what Bledsoe does on both ends of the court in a couple of years.
Dunn/Booker/Warren/Love/Len +Knight/Chandler/Bogdan (when he comes over) is solid and we don't completely mortgage our future for Kevin Love.

Love is not the answer. How does he help this team?

letsgosuns · Post #1380 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:42 pm

I am going to say this again. How does Chad Ford have a job? This guy was just on Arizona radio a few days ago boasting about how incredible Chriss would be for the Suns. Now he wants the Suns to trade both lottery picks, 23 year old Len, 24 year old Knight, and I am assuming a sign and trade of Jon Leuer, for 30 year old Aldridge, two role playing guards, and the 29th pick. Yes, I certainly think it is a fantastic idea for a rebuilding, young team like the Suns to trade away two players in their early twenties, and two lottery picks for a 30 year old power forward. Absolutely. Because we all know that a Suns team led by Booker, Warren, Bledsoe, and Chandler is just one piece away from winning a championship. Ford's proposed trades are the definition of idiocy. Usually for all teams involved. It is embarrassing that a professional sports outlet publishes his work.