Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[sunskerr]

I think we have seen what Len offers. That is why I'm saying he hasn't shown that he deserves a new contract.

He did appear to play much better without anybody (Tyson) looking over his shoulder. That stretch (without Tyson) was the best stretch of his career. He could just be a Goran Dragic type of guy who needs that belief in the form of being the main guy (i.e. he needs trust and not having to look over his shoulder). He has all the physical attributes and by all accounts he works hard and succeeds in practice which makes me think it's all in his head.

As you said, we're not a good team and I think we're wasting time by playing Chandler.. Like it or not, Len is up for an extension and we need all the information we can get to make an informed decision (to extend or not and if so, by how much?). The best way to do that is to evaluate him in the role he may potentially have moving forward (as a starter with 28-30 mpg).

I'm not sure if you are joking about practice. If Len is anything like Dragic and needs to be babied then maybe we should trade him to Miami. I hear that they are giving out stupid contracts.

In a season where we suck we simply have no other options. That's the reality of it. So I'm not sure what you're getting at other than you really don't like Alex Len. You said he hasn't shown that he deserves a big contract (which I already agreed with) but it sounds like you just want him gone instead of evaluating him completely and using all the remaining time to gather more information to make a good decision (again- to extend or not and if so, by how much?) .

Really, what's your point? I'm not getting where you're going with this or how what you're saying is constructive or beneficial for the team.

[sunskerr]

I see you updated your post. Well, I believe that keeping Chandler would trap us in regards to Alex Len. He is younger than Chandler and should be receiving priority especially when we're dealing with someone who is up for a contract extension. Tyson will probably fall off next season (35 - NBA players don't decline in a linear fashion but closer to exponentially).

[DusterBuster]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

[sunskerr]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

As far as we know, the answer is no. Although again, I wouldn't expect the buying price to be anything major or unfair at all for Chandler if a team did call up (that's my opinion).

[OGBAH]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

No there not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

[OGBAH]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

No their not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

[TeamTragic]

He did appear to play much better without anybody (Tyson) looking over his shoulder. That stretch (without Tyson) was the best stretch of his career. He could just be a Goran Dragic type of guy who needs that belief in the form of being the main guy (i.e. he needs trust and not having to look over his shoulder). He has all the physical attributes and by all accounts he works hard and succeeds in practice which makes me think it's all in his head.

As you said, we're not a good team and I think we're wasting time by playing Chandler.. Like it or not, Len is up for an extension and we need all the information we can get to make an informed decision (to extend or not and if so, by how much?). The best way to do that is to evaluate him in the role he may potentially have moving forward (as a starter with 28-30 mpg).

I'm not sure if you are joking about practice. If Len is anything like Dragic and needs to be babied then maybe we should trade him to Miami. I hear that they are giving out ridiculous contracts.

I would love to hear from anyone here about where/how Len fits on this team. The NBA is moving away from big men. I would rather just keep Chandler if we are putting together a future plan.

In a season where we suck we simply have no other options. That's the reality of it. So I'm not sure what you're getting at other than you really don't like Alex Len. You said he hasn't shown that he deserves a big contract (which I already agreed with) but it sounds like you just want him gone instead of evaluating him completely and using all the remaining time to gather more information to make a good decision (again- to extend or not and if so, by how much?) .

Really, what's your point? I'm not getting where you're going with this or how what you're saying is constructive or beneficial for the team.

I see you updated your post. Well, I believe that keeping Chandler would trap us in regards to Alex Len. He is younger than Chandler and should be receiving priority especially when we're dealing with someone who is up for a contract extension. Tyson will probably fall off next season (35 - NBA players don't decline in a linear fashion but closer to exponentially).

I just edited my post for more clarity. You will get to see Len the entire season. If he continues playing this way (inconsistently) he is no better than Robin Lopez. Do you really want to give him a contract? What is the fascination with just handing out contracts in general? We gave Knight a stupid contract. How did that work out?

This whole mentality about stock piling assets that nobody wants is getting ridiculous. Nobody wants our assets as far as I'm concerned. We should have enough by now to pull off a decent trade. If McD doesn't come up with a future plan and doesn't bring in a superstar then I would show him the door along with Watson.

I do think that we can move Chandler without an issue. Though really we are leaving it up to him at this point which is the right decision.

[sunskerr]

I just edited my post for more clarity. You will get to see Len the entire season. If he continues playing this way (inconsistently) he is no better than Robin Lopez. Do you really want to give him a contract? What is the fascination with just handing out contracts in general? We gave Knight a stupid contract. How did that work out?

This whole mentality about stock piling assets that nobody wants is getting ridiculous. Nobody wants our players. We have major assets right now. If McD doesn't come up with a future plan and pull the trigger on a superstar trade then I would show him the door along with Watson.

Hmm...

Well again, I'm not saying I want him to get that big contract. I want to see him in the role that he would have moving forward were he to get a big contract. And I want to see him in that role this season so we can have the most information possible to make that decision on Len. Of course that role involves benching or trading Chandler so we can evaluate Len (who now has ~3 years of NBA experience) as a starter. I'd prefer we make that decision after seeing him in that role because if he does do well, that's a lot easier than having to draft a new center (back to square 1) and by extension we should be a little bit closer to the playoffs in that scenario.

And if it doesn't work out starting Len, then all we need to do is not extend him or match his offer sheet. We'd be in the same spot with or without Chandler with whom we have zero chance of making the playoffs because of his age.

[alphagorilla]

Knight for Dough Mcdermott + bulls17 top12 protected

[TeamTragic]

I just edited my post for more clarity. You will get to see Len the entire season. If he continues playing this way (inconsistently) he is no better than Robin Lopez. Do you really want to give him a contract? What is the fascination with just handing out contracts in general? We gave Knight a stupid contract. How did that work out?

This whole mentality about stock piling assets that nobody wants is getting ridiculous. Nobody wants our players. We have major assets right now. If McD doesn't come up with a future plan and pull the trigger on a superstar trade then I would show him the door along with Watson.

Hmm...

Well again, I'm not saying I want him to get that big contract. I want to see him in the role that he would have moving forward were he to get a big contract. And I want to see him in that role this season so we can have the most information possible to make that decision on Len. Of course that role involves benching or trading Chandler so we can evaluate Len (who now has ~3 years of NBA experience) as a starter. I'd prefer we make that decision after seeing him in that role because if he does do well, that's a lot easier than having to draft a new center (back to square 1) and by extension we should be a little bit closer to the playoffs in that scenario.

And if it doesn't work out starting Len, then all we need to do is not extend him or match his offer sheet. We'd be in the same spot with or without Chandler with whom we have zero chance of making the playoffs because of his age.

In that scenario we should have moved Chandler in the offseason. Then we should have started Len to see if he is worth a new contract. If he gets better then we have our future center. If he keeps making dumb mistakes and playing inconsistent we don't match his offer. Then we look toward the draft/FA for a big man.

In my opinion the front office doesn't have faith in Len. I think that we keep Chandler until his contract is up or trade him to a contender after we decide not to match Len (i.e. start fresh). Maybe this upcoming draft has better talent.

[kennydorglas]

We need to make some decision about Len before the Trade Deadline.
After that, you know he's going to get paid here. We cant afford to lose him for nothing.

Gauge interest with the rest of the league, see if we can get some solid offers and study the situation (players x future value).
It's going to be tough.

[Saberestar]

I want to trade Chandler before the trade deadline this season too and see Len with a bigger role and more minutes for Chriss/Bender and Williams.

[lilfishi22]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

No there not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

No their not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

They're. Third time's a charm lol

[DusterBuster]

Soooo..... I guess that means the Suns aren't looking to trade Chandler?...

No there not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

No their not....Chandler had opportunities this summer to move on but he wanted to stay here

They're. Third time's a charm lol

Certainly cleared that up lol.

[lilfishi22]

I think we have seen what Len offers. That is why I'm saying he hasn't shown that he deserves a new contract.

He did appear to play much better without anybody (Tyson) looking over his shoulder. That stretch (without Tyson) was the best stretch of his career. He could just be a Goran Dragic type of guy who needs that belief in the form of being the main guy (i.e. he needs trust and not having to look over his shoulder). He has all the physical attributes and by all accounts he works hard and succeeds in practice which makes me think it's all in his head.

As you said, we're not a good team and I think we're wasting time by playing Chandler.. Like it or not, Len is up for an extension and we need all the information we can get to make an informed decision (to extend or not and if so, by how much?). The best way to do that is to evaluate him in the role he may potentially have moving forward (as a starter with 28-30 mpg).

I'm not sure if you are joking about practice. If Len is anything like Dragic and needs to be babied then maybe we should trade him to Miami. I hear that they are giving out ridiculous contracts.

I would love to hear from anyone here about where/how Len fits on this team. The NBA is moving away from big men. I would rather just keep Chandler if we are putting together a future plan.

The NBA is moving away from traditional big men for sure. But I do think Len, when he's playing well, certainly has a role and can be a valued contributor on a good team. Gobert, DeAndre, Drummond are all old school C's who play a traditional defensive game and I thought their value and contribution would plummet as we moved towards the stretch big era of the NBA. But the fact is, they are some of the top C's in the game and rebounding and shot blocking still plays a huge rule in today's game. Len as our pick has unfortunately left much to be desired and has been frustratingly disappointing. However, if he can find his groove and play consistently as he has in the month of November (just over 9.1/9.3/1.7blks on 54.5FG% in less than 25mpg), I think he's worth consideration for a new contract with us.

I don't consider Chandler at all when we're talking about our future. He is and has always been, a stopgap option for us.

[bwgood77]

Anyone mind filling me in on what Tyson Chandler's status is with the Suns? How's he playing at his advanced age, is the team still happy with him, are they looking to move him, etc?

Generally we like his play but when Len showed up after Tyson got injured, a lot of us feel like Len (RFA after the season) should be starting to make sure throwing all that money at him will be worth it.

Any sense what the team themselves are thinking? Is this a thing management wants to do or just fan based?

If they look to move him, what are they looking for in return?

We have a Tyson Chandler thread where you could probably go back to some tweets, and more context, but apparently they went to him in the offseason to find out if we wanted to be traded, and he said "no, he loves the team's changes (coaching), unity, loves playing the mentor role and doesn't want to be traded. The team appears to be really close for the most part, and he really seems to be a good mentor for our extremely young guys. Plus, he has had some serious rebounding games. I imagine we keep him almost under any circumstance, at least until we extend or decide on Len, but at this point keeping him around for another two years at this price doesn't seem bad. He might not be the best use of funds in a year or two, but we don't really have cap problems. He also recently lost his mom, and I think that kind of had a further bonding effect to some extent with the team.

But anything could change at any moment. Why, what are you thinking?

[bwgood77]

I just edited my post for more clarity. You will get to see Len the entire season. If he continues playing this way (inconsistently) he is no better than Robin Lopez. Do you really want to give him a contract? What is the fascination with just handing out contracts in general? We gave Knight a stupid contract. How did that work out?

This whole mentality about stock piling assets that nobody wants is getting ridiculous. Nobody wants our players. We have major assets right now. If McD doesn't come up with a future plan and pull the trigger on a superstar trade then I would show him the door along with Watson.

Hmm...

Well again, I'm not saying I want him to get that big contract. I want to see him in the role that he would have moving forward were he to get a big contract. And I want to see him in that role this season so we can have the most information possible to make that decision on Len. Of course that role involves benching or trading Chandler so we can evaluate Len (who now has ~3 years of NBA experience) as a starter. I'd prefer we make that decision after seeing him in that role because if he does do well, that's a lot easier than having to draft a new center (back to square 1) and by extension we should be a little bit closer to the playoffs in that scenario.

And if it doesn't work out starting Len, then all we need to do is not extend him or match his offer sheet. We'd be in the same spot with or without Chandler with whom we have zero chance of making the playoffs because of his age.

In that scenario we should have moved Chandler in the offseason. Then we should have started Len to see if he is worth a new contract. If he gets better then we have our future center. If he keeps making dumb mistakes and playing inconsistent we don't match his offer. Then we look toward the draft/FA for a big man.

In my opinion the front office doesn't have faith in Len. I think that we keep Chandler until his contract is up or trade him to a contender after we decide not to match Len (i.e. start fresh). Maybe this upcoming draft has better talent.

What would you like to see from Len to come around on him? If we lose him and Chandler who do you think we could get in FA for C?

Are you saying you'd want to allow Len to leave in the summer and we end up losing him for nothing? Bender and Chriss are terrible rebounders, and that is Len's biggest strength. The only other really good rebounder we have is Tucker, and I doubt you want to keep him for much longer.

As far as things are right now, Len is worth keeping, and a lot younger than aging centers who are making more more right now and probably providing less.

After his first four games this year I was thinking maybe we need to get rid of this guy, but he's played mostly pretty well since then.

[OGBAH]

Theiar're not trading Chandler or Len

[asudevil]

Theiar're not trading Chandler or Len

Theair'.

The only way the suns trade either Len or Chandler is if another young center comes back. Trading Chandler, and then having Len not live up to expectations AND then getting a contract from another team much like Mozgov/Noah (which we do not match) will leave this team with a huge hole.

[DusterBuster]

Generally we like his play but when Len showed up after Tyson got injured, a lot of us feel like Len (RFA after the season) should be starting to make sure throwing all that money at him will be worth it.

Any sense what the team themselves are thinking? Is this a thing management wants to do or just fan based?

If they look to move him, what are they looking for in return?

We have a Tyson Chandler thread where you could probably go back to some tweets, and more context, but apparently they went to him in the offseason to find out if we wanted to be traded, and he said "no, he loves the team's changes (coaching), unity, loves playing the mentor role and doesn't want to be traded. The team appears to be really close for the most part, and he really seems to be a good mentor for our extremely young guys. Plus, he has had some serious rebounding games. I imagine we keep him almost under any circumstance, at least until we extend or decide on Len, but at this point keeping him around for another two years at this price doesn't seem bad. He might not be the best use of funds in a year or two, but we don't really have cap problems. He also recently lost his mom, and I think that kind of had a further bonding effect to some extent with the team.

But anything could change at any moment. Why, what are you thinking?

I was simply wondering if he may be a player who could be traded at the deadline to a playoff team, be it Portland or anyone else. Just curious to keep up on what players may be on the move by Feb. From the outside looking in, Chandler seems like a really weird fit for such a young rebuilding team without even playoff aspirations. But if he's happy and the teams happy to have him, more power to him.