Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[NTB]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

What? They are rebuilding with Schroeder as the main piece.

[thamadkant]

Cavs are not panic mode... Its October.

End of the day... They will come out of the east or at least fight in the ECF.

No panic moves from them until deadline just to add more weapons.

[Saberestar]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

They probably would not trade him even for Josh Jackson.

He is playing like an All Star and he is on a great long term contract. No way they trade him for Bledsoe.

[RedIndian]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

They probably would not trade him even for Josh Jackson.

He is playing like an All Star and he is on a great long term contract. No way they trade him for Bledsoe.

There is some talk on the Hawks board that their GM Schlenk doesn't want to keep him around after the battery incident.

[Saberestar]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

They probably would not trade him even for Josh Jackson.

He is playing like an All Star and he is on a great long term contract. No way they trade him for Bledsoe.

There is some talk on the Hawks board that their GM Schlenk doesn't want to keep him around after the battery incident.

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

[RedIndian]

They probably would not trade him even for Josh Jackson.

He is playing like an All Star and he is on a great long term contract. No way they trade him for Bledsoe.

There is some talk on the Hawks board that their GM Schlenk doesn't want to keep him around after the battery incident.

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

There is some talk on the Hawks board that their GM Schlenk doesn't want to keep him around after the battery incident.

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

I've never been much of a fan of Schroeder. I wouldn't give up Chriss in a deal for him.

[JJ13]

Cavs are not panic mode... Its October.

End of the day... They will come out of the east or at least fight in the ECF.

No panic moves from them until deadline just to add more weapons.

I wouldn't call nets pick for Bledsoe panicky - he's a 20/5/5 guy with decent defense in his prime. Seems pretty fair to me considering crap shoot of lotto picks.

[Revived]

Bledsoe, DJJ for Shumpert, Zizic, Osman and a future 1st rd pick from Cleveland (non BKY) is the best we can do I think.

Zizic could be the "high upside" player that Woj reported McD wanted.

[Kerrsed]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

I'd do it. Dont think Atlanta would though.

[NTB]

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[lilfishi22]

I don't need the break down of why the Suns are doing what they are doing. I disagree with it. This decision is a continuation of poor personnel decisions that have given the organization a bad reputation. Until they change that behavior the reputation will remain bad and they will continue to have problems.

Make the trade they can make and move on.

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I think we both agree a change is needed. But if our reputation already stinks why not wait for a good deal to come around? A month, two months, half a season won't change our reputation but a good trade could change our fortune going forward.

Making a trade just to make a trade *now* would be a shortsighted move.

The Suns don't have legal basis to keep Bledsoe at home for 1-2 months like that.

If Paul files a grieveance with the NBPA about this then Suns would be screwed.

Bledsoe isn't under any kind of official suspension so they can't just banish him from the team and from playing for such a long period of time without cause.

Nobody is sitting around for the sake of sitting around. We both have a mutual desire to part ways so I don't think McD is just waiting just to wait. That being said, Paul *MAY* file a grievance if we sit him for an unreasonable amount of time but I think that's likely some ways away. I was also of the understanding that Bledsoe and McD mutually agreed to not play for the Suns while we look for a suitable trade otherwise Bledsoe and Paul would've kicked up a stink a day or two after. We have time but we're not wasting it just because we have it.

[grumpysaddle]

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Those two 40 point losses really screw up stats like this, especially with only 4 other games played besides those. Any stats like this should discount the first 3 games with Bledsoe and Watson as the team is completely different via subtraction.

[NTB]

Also Booker is the team leader in defensive win shares.

[AtheJ415]

Then keep your talent. Beasley and Juancho are having trouble finding playing time and that likely wouldn't change just because they are on the Suns. Mudiay is a career 37% FG shooter. Suns should not touch that. The only prospect the Suns should be interested in is Murray. If you guys are unwilling to trade him then cool. On to the next.

I suspect we will keep our player. While I like Bledsoe, his injury history really negates a lot of the value he has, if you're not on the court how much impact can you have ?? Juancho has mono, so that's why he isn't getting PT right now, he was one of the leading contributors on the Spanish Nat'l team and will get some time when he's back healthy. Beasley was recuperating from an injury he sustained right before the draft, and playing behind GHarris and Barton, granted he's only getting a few minutes but the guy has hustle and is earning his minutes while developing. Mudiay has had his shooting woes, but is improving, plus he's hit 3pters at a 40% clip, way better than Bledsoes has ever done with the Suns.

Most importantly, all three prospects are under 22yo, salary controlled and have shown upward development, I know I seen more of them than 95% of the Suns fans,

I stand by my evaluation of the posters proposal, it's an overvalue of Bledsoe, I can't see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that. Nuggets are very high on both Beasley and Hernangomez as well as seeing the potential Mudiay has, most young PG's don't fully come into their own until 23-25yo and Mudiay is still just 21.

Over the summer, the only offer I heard was Mudiay & the 13th pick, now somehow his value has INCREASED even though he has stated he wants out ??? How does that happen ?

Just because he wants out doesn't mean his value goes down. Teams now know we will trade him/teams know he is attainable. If more than one team wants him, that drives his price up.

Also, to add to this, why does an "offer you heard" determine his value? First, if that was his value the deal would have been done already. Second, McDonough is notoriously quiet regarding trades. They come out of nowhere. So if you heard it, it very likely is not happening, and thus is not a good indicator of value. Third, rumors are often complete BS unless they are coming from Woj. This time a couple years ago we were sitting here with rumors that the Suns would have to attach their own pick to get rid of Markieff. Same with salary savings only for Dragic.

[mademan]

Cavs are not panic mode... Its October.

End of the day... They will come out of the east or at least fight in the ECF.

No panic moves from them until deadline just to add more weapons.

I wouldn't call nets pick for Bledsoe panicky - he's a 20/5/5 guy with decent defense in his prime. Seems pretty fair to me considering crap shoot of lotto picks.

But if/when Lebron walks this year, Bledsoe's only a year behind him. And bledsoe isnt exactly needed if IT comes back, tbh. You dont really want to play 2 guys together when neither crack 6 feet (or barely) and it doesnt make sense to pay such a hefty price for Bledsoe only to play him for 20mpg in the playoffs. I cant see the Cavs making a future for present trade as is and I especially cant see them making any significant move until they see how IT plays again (back in December)

[bwgood77]

There is some talk on the Hawks board that their GM Schlenk doesn't want to keep him around after the battery incident.

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

Once of Zach Lowe's "32 Crazy Predictions" was that Atlanta tries to trade Schroder...and mentions the Suns...

Atlanta tries to trade Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore

They likely fail on both counts. Kent Bazemore is due $18 million in 2018-19 and $19.3 million the next season. That 2019-2020 money is the killer -- the reason the Lakers can't move Loul Deng, and the Bucks are stuck with John Henson. The Hawks will probably try. Moving a wing should be easier than moving a big man with the same contract; everyone needs 3-and-D types, but no one needs centers. You could build plausible deals sending Bazemore to Denver, the Clippers, and a few other teams. Atlanta might even settle for another distressed contract that expires a year earlier than Bazemore's -- if they can even find a taker at that price.

We might be at least a year from any Dennis Schroder move. Most teams are satisfied with their point guard situations. But over the next year or so, some of those point guards will change teams, flame out, get injured, or enter free agency again. Travis Schlenk, Atlanta's new GM, didn't pick Schroder; Schlenk inherited him. Schroder has long been a polarizing locker-room presence, and his recent arrest on battery charges had executives around the league rolling their eyes.

Schroder is just 24 -- young enough to be a key piece in Atlanta's long-term rebuild. If he rehabilitates his trade value, he could also net Atlanta more picks. He's good enough to do it. If and when the Suns flip Bledsoe, they will need a long-term answer at point guard. The Bulls are still searching, though they would not deal their 2018 pick for Schroder. What about their protected 2019 pick? The Pacers need to find a young point guard somewhere.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21002422/zach-lowe-32-crazy-nba-predictions-2017-18

[Wilber85]

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

I've never been much of a fan of Schroeder. I wouldn't give up Chriss in a deal for him.

So you aren't a fan of a potential all star PG?

I would trade for a 2nd round pick if that means to get rid of Chriss! Dude is a head case, and lazy.

[TeamTragic]

That would be amazing. I would trade Bledsoe, Chriss and Miami's pick for him.

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

Once of Zach Lowe's "32 Crazy Predictions" was that Atlanta tries to trade Schroder...and mentions the Suns...

Atlanta tries to trade Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore

They likely fail on both counts. Kent Bazemore is due $18 million in 2018-19 and $19.3 million the next season. That 2019-2020 money is the killer -- the reason the Lakers can't move Loul Deng, and the Bucks are stuck with John Henson. The Hawks will probably try. Moving a wing should be easier than moving a big man with the same contract; everyone needs 3-and-D types, but no one needs centers. You could build plausible deals sending Bazemore to Denver, the Clippers, and a few other teams. Atlanta might even settle for another distressed contract that expires a year earlier than Bazemore's -- if they can even find a taker at that price.

We might be at least a year from any Dennis Schroder move. Most teams are satisfied with their point guard situations. But over the next year or so, some of those point guards will change teams, flame out, get injured, or enter free agency again. Travis Schlenk, Atlanta's new GM, didn't pick Schroder; Schlenk inherited him. Schroder has long been a polarizing locker-room presence, and his recent arrest on battery charges had executives around the league rolling their eyes.

Schroder is just 24 -- young enough to be a key piece in Atlanta's long-term rebuild. If he rehabilitates his trade value, he could also net Atlanta more picks. He's good enough to do it. If and when the Suns flip Bledsoe, they will need a long-term answer at point guard. The Bulls are still searching, though they would not deal their 2018 pick for Schroder. What about their protected 2019 pick? The Pacers need to find a young point guard somewhere.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21002422/zach-lowe-32-crazy-nba-predictions-2017-18

I'm not saying that Schroeder wouldn't be a nice haul. I just don't think his attitude fits this team since we are rebuilding. Does anyone think he would be fine with not being the guy?

Booker is our present and future along with Chriss/Bender.

[Wilber85]

I'd certainly make inquiries if I were McD. Chriss, 2018 Miami pick is what I'd be willing to offer too.

Once of Zach Lowe's "32 Crazy Predictions" was that Atlanta tries to trade Schroder...and mentions the Suns...

Atlanta tries to trade Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore

They likely fail on both counts. Kent Bazemore is due $18 million in 2018-19 and $19.3 million the next season. That 2019-2020 money is the killer -- the reason the Lakers can't move Loul Deng, and the Bucks are stuck with John Henson. The Hawks will probably try. Moving a wing should be easier than moving a big man with the same contract; everyone needs 3-and-D types, but no one needs centers. You could build plausible deals sending Bazemore to Denver, the Clippers, and a few other teams. Atlanta might even settle for another distressed contract that expires a year earlier than Bazemore's -- if they can even find a taker at that price.

We might be at least a year from any Dennis Schroder move. Most teams are satisfied with their point guard situations. But over the next year or so, some of those point guards will change teams, flame out, get injured, or enter free agency again. Travis Schlenk, Atlanta's new GM, didn't pick Schroder; Schlenk inherited him. Schroder has long been a polarizing locker-room presence, and his recent arrest on battery charges had executives around the league rolling their eyes.

Schroder is just 24 -- young enough to be a key piece in Atlanta's long-term rebuild. If he rehabilitates his trade value, he could also net Atlanta more picks. He's good enough to do it. If and when the Suns flip Bledsoe, they will need a long-term answer at point guard. The Bulls are still searching, though they would not deal their 2018 pick for Schroder. What about their protected 2019 pick? The Pacers need to find a young point guard somewhere.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21002422/zach-lowe-32-crazy-nba-predictions-2017-18

I'm not saying that Schroeder wouldn't be a nice haul. I just don't think his attitude fits this team since we are rebuilding. Does anyone think he would be fine with not being the guy?

Booker is our present and future along with Chriss/Bender. I think he is basically Rondo Part 2.

His attitude? Yet you mention Chriss