Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Anybody saying to cut Ulis needs to relax. He is not a bad backup. Many are judging him for his play when he’s started. He deserves to be in the NBA, just not a starter.

Let him run the second unit and you’ll change your mind about him.


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It depends what we do in the draft and if we sign Payton. With his height, he really needs to be a great shooter, which he is not. It’s too easy to back him down, for almost any guard. I don’t hate him, but he will most likely not be needed.

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

[Revived]

Anybody saying to cut Ulis needs to relax. He is not a bad backup. Many are judging him for his play when he’s started. He deserves to be in the NBA, just not a starter.

Let him run the second unit and you’ll change your mind about him.


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It depends what we do in the draft and if we sign Payton. With his height, he really needs to be a great shooter, which he is not. It’s too easy to back him down, for almost any guard. I don’t hate him, but he will most likely not be needed.

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

Gray thus far has looked more promising than Ulis has and if I had to pick I'd rather have him as the backup going forward since Gray is supposed to have a better 3pt shot as well.

[Revived]

Chandler is probable for tonight but please Triano keep starting Bender at the 5 rather than kill the confidence and bringing him to the bench. That starting 5 has decent chemistry together as well.

Let Chandler come off the bench.

[bwgood77]

It depends what we do in the draft and if we sign Payton. With his height, he really needs to be a great shooter, which he is not. It’s too easy to back him down, for almost any guard. I don’t hate him, but he will most likely not be needed.

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

I seriously doubt we will cut Ulis. Unless we just REALLY need that roster spot or that $1.5 million in cap space is preventing a transaction.

[hollywood6964]

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

I seriously doubt we will cut Ulis. Unless we just REALLY need that roster spot or that $1.5 million in cap space is preventing a transaction.

Ehhhhh.... Never hurts to have an emergency backup at the position. Plus he's Booker's friend, might be wise.

[thamadkant]

Ulis on the team is basically NEPOTISM.

He's terrible. As I said previously... Slowest 5'9 NBA player in history. Never seen someone that small get tagged by players much bigger than him. He is useless because he can't shoot well either and when he does slash he gets his shots stuffed or altered so easily. And he doesn't really make plays.. He just dribbles and makes basic perimeter passes... No creativity or "skilled" passing ...


He got Space Jammed. His skills are somewhere ... Zapped away.

[thamadkant]

Ulis should be given spots at the G league or a team staff spot... So Booker still gets to see him

[BobbieL]

It depends what we do in the draft and if we sign Payton. With his height, he really needs to be a great shooter, which he is not. It’s too easy to back him down, for almost any guard. I don’t hate him, but he will most likely not be needed.

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

Like I said depending on what the team needs cap space is what you decide to do with Tyler Ulis. If you sign Payton and need 1.5m to make a transaction that makes you better - well than you release Ulis or add him to the trade as with him not guaranteed, an acquiring team might need the dollars to make the math work

If you not bring back Payton - that might change what you do with Ulis as all of the sudden you have a lot more cap space to work with and may not need his 1.5m.

In my scenarios with the Suns roster moves - it was just all about getting to mid to upper teens for a sign/trade type transaction or a trade for an experienced veteran under contract. And though BWG noted my math was wrong - same thought process applies:

sign payton for under his cap hold
renounce len and peters
use Heat pick, Buck pick (thought it doesn't have a cap hold, it has value), and Ulis non guaranteed contract and see you can get a player. If you do not need to move Chriss or Bender - that's fine - just means you might be looking at 10m instead of mid -teens.

[thamadkant]

You do understand that Booker is likely going to request his next contract this summer for his own security and it will be likely be 26+ million per year. In other words if you go out and spend what you think you can for someone like Gordon we are going to be way over the cap even with Chandler and Knight come off the books. This doesn't even count resigning Bender, Chriss and Jackson.

I thought somebody came up with a way for Booker to not hit until 2019 so that all things are done in the proper order. Suns have 30+ off the books in 2019: Chandler, Sauce, Daniels and Dudley.

If he will wait to get a new contract it is possible that we might be able to but if you knew you were only one injury from being unable to pay your house payment (remember he brought a 3.5 million house in the valley and his tax rate is around 40%+. so his rookie salary isnt going to pay off the house) would you let it wait? I would love for us to be able to do something but I am scared that even then it is going to be a big crunch on our cap numbers.

Surely... Sarver gave Booker a wink wink fund for his first house. He can't let his best offensive player struggle to buy his first house....

Sarver: "I'll just leave this duffle bag here..."
Booker: "Oh Mr.Sarver... You left your bag"
Sarver: "Isn't your name on the tag right there"
Booker: "Oh... I see"
Sarver: "We sold a first rounder for that *winks"

[hollywood6964]

Ulis on the team is basically NEPOTISM.

He's terrible. As I said previously... Slowest 5'9 NBA player in history. Never seen someone that small get tagged by players much bigger than him. He is useless because he can't shoot well either and when he does slash he gets his shots stuffed or altered so easily. And he doesn't really make plays.. He just dribbles and makes basic perimeter passes... No creativity or "skilled" passing ...


He got Space Jammed. His skills are somewhere ... Zapped away.

I know, what the hell happened, he looked so good last year. F#(k.

[bwgood77]

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

Like I said depending on what the team needs cap space is what you decide to do with Tyler Ulis. If you sign Payton and need 1.5m to make a transaction that makes you better - well than you release Ulis or add him to the trade as with him not guaranteed, an acquiring team might need the dollars to make the math work

If you not bring back Payton - that might change what you do with Ulis as all of the sudden you have a lot more cap space to work with and may not need his 1.5m.

In my scenarios with the Suns roster moves - it was just all about getting to mid to upper teens for a sign/trade type transaction or a trade for an experienced veteran under contract. And though BWG noted my math was wrong - same thought process applies:

sign payton for under his cap hold
renounce len and peters
use Heat pick, Buck pick (thought it doesn't have a cap hold, it has value), and Ulis non guaranteed contract and see you can get a player. If you do not need to move Chriss or Bender - that's fine - just means you might be looking at 10m instead of mid -teens.

When you keep talking about trading the Heat pick for a player, when would you propose this happens? You mean trade whoever we draft with that player? Trade it on draft night for a player?

[AtheJ415]

I thought somebody came up with a way for Booker to not hit until 2019 so that all things are done in the proper order. Suns have 30+ off the books in 2019: Chandler, Sauce, Daniels and Dudley.

If he will wait to get a new contract it is possible that we might be able to but if you knew you were only one injury from being unable to pay your house payment (remember he brought a 3.5 million house in the valley and his tax rate is around 40%+. so his rookie salary isnt going to pay off the house) would you let it wait? I would love for us to be able to do something but I am scared that even then it is going to be a big crunch on our cap numbers.

Surely... Sarver gave Booker a wink wink fund for his first house. He can't let his best offensive player struggle to buy his first house....

Sarver: "I'll just leave this duffle bag here..."
Booker: "Oh Mr.Sarver... You left your bag"
Sarver: "Isn't your name on the tag right there"
Booker: "Oh... I see"
Sarver: "We sold a first rounder for that *winks"

What? Booker's rookie salary is more than enough to pay for that house. He has made $6.8 mil roughly in his first 3 seasons. Most people buy houses that are more than their yearly salary, and 1.5 years of salary is easily doable. Also, you are misunderstanding the extension. It doesn't replace his current contract. It extends it. Thus, it wouldn't impact his salary next season. Just the season after that.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Are Reed and Ulis salary gauranteed next season?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Are Reed and Ulis salary gauranteed next season?

No.

[BobbieL]

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

Like I said depending on what the team needs cap space is what you decide to do with Tyler Ulis. If you sign Payton and need 1.5m to make a transaction that makes you better - well than you release Ulis or add him to the trade as with him not guaranteed, an acquiring team might need the dollars to make the math work

If you not bring back Payton - that might change what you do with Ulis as all of the sudden you have a lot more cap space to work with and may not need his 1.5m.

In my scenarios with the Suns roster moves - it was just all about getting to mid to upper teens for a sign/trade type transaction or a trade for an experienced veteran under contract. And though BWG noted my math was wrong - same thought process applies:

sign payton for under his cap hold
renounce len and peters
use Heat pick, Buck pick (thought it doesn't have a cap hold, it has value), and Ulis non guaranteed contract and see you can get a player. If you do not need to move Chriss or Bender - that's fine - just means you might be looking at 10m instead of mid -teens.

When you keep talking about trading the Heat pick for a player, when would you propose this happens? You mean trade whoever we draft with that player? Trade it on draft night for a player?

It would be with the understanding they are drafting possibly for another team. And I have thought about the mechanics of that as in free agency - Ryan McD would have to have a wide net of teams. Granted if he is focused on say Aaron Gordon and Aaron Gordon alone - that makes it easier

And maybe that is tampering to have talked a team before 7/1 when free agency opens - they give a list of 5 guys and with that pick the Suns would send out.

Maybe my scenario is not realistic. I am just trying to figure out how to use 2.9m of cap space for a player to get a player that might help win more games this coming year.

[thamadkant]

If he will wait to get a new contract it is possible that we might be able to but if you knew you were only one injury from being unable to pay your house payment (remember he brought a 3.5 million house in the valley and his tax rate is around 40%+. so his rookie salary isnt going to pay off the house) would you let it wait? I would love for us to be able to do something but I am scared that even then it is going to be a big crunch on our cap numbers.

Surely... Sarver gave Booker a wink wink fund for his first house. He can't let his best offensive player struggle to buy his first house....

Sarver: "I'll just leave this duffle bag here..."
Booker: "Oh Mr.Sarver... You left your bag"
Sarver: "Isn't your name on the tag right there"
Booker: "Oh... I see"
Sarver: "We sold a first rounder for that *winks"

What? Booker's rookie salary is more than enough to pay for that house. He has made $6.8 mil roughly in his first 3 seasons. Most people buy houses that are more than their yearly salary, and 1.5 years of salary is easily doable. Also, you are misunderstanding the extension. It doesn't replace his current contract. It extends it. Thus, it wouldn't impact his salary next season. Just the season after that.

Reply to the other guy. My post was a joke... It may not seem to be... But it was in jest.

[bwgood77]

Even though we are under the cap, it's pretty pathetic looking at our Capulator page and realizing out of our 4 highest paid players who take up over 45% of our payroll, two are not playing at all due to injury, one rarely plays and is in "retirement shape" and the other takes games off regularly because he's too old.

I really wish they had included the amnesty clause again. It would be so nice to get rid of that Knight cap hit.

[sunsbum]

I thought somebody came up with a way for Booker to not hit until 2019 so that all things are done in the proper order. Suns have 30+ off the books in 2019: Chandler, Sauce, Daniels and Dudley.

If he will wait to get a new contract it is possible that we might be able to but if you knew you were only one injury from being unable to pay your house payment (remember he brought a 3.5 million house in the valley and his tax rate is around 40%+. so his rookie salary isnt going to pay off the house) would you let it wait? I would love for us to be able to do something but I am scared that even then it is going to be a big crunch on our cap numbers.

Surely... Sarver gave Booker a wink wink fund for his first house. He can't let his best offensive player struggle to buy his first house....

Sarver: "I'll just leave this duffle bag here..."
Booker: "Oh Mr.Sarver... You left your bag"
Sarver: "Isn't your name on the tag right there"
Booker: "Oh... I see"
Sarver: "We sold a first rounder for that *winks"

Booker opens the bag then tosses it into a closet full of Nike suitcases ripping at the seams with 50,000 dollar bills that have bookers face on each one.

Sarver: "Hey, don't just throw that around that's enough for your next 2 1/2 house payments and a tank of gas."

Booker "Oh, I thought that was toilet paper for my 5 Chihuahuas". "Get out of my face before I release these hounds on you".

[RunDogGun]

It depends what we do in the draft and if we sign Payton. With his height, he really needs to be a great shooter, which he is not. It’s too easy to back him down, for almost any guard. I don’t hate him, but he will most likely not be needed.

I want to have Ulis on the roster next season. He is young, cheap and he is a great teammate to have around.

No reason to cut him, he is not an starter player but he can be a good backup or, at least, a third string PG.

I'm generally in favor of cutting him. $1.5 million more in cap space. It's not like he's not replaceable.

Yep, I’m not saying we cut because I don’t like him (I do like him), I just don’t see the need for him. Running Booker at the point showed the lack of need for Ulis. We either sign Payton, or we make a run at one of the point guards in the draft. With Knight still on this team, there are cheaper, taller, and better shooting point guards for third or fourth string point guards. I think Reed could run point as well in the remaining mins available or because of injury.

[bwgood77]

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