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Who would you rather take at 16 if one of these guys slipped?

Collin Sexton
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Miles Bridges
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1361 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:30 am

SunZel wrote:Am i missing something with the Grizzlies why don't players want to go there? Dont Know much about themn but i always thought of them as a good franchise....


Bad market. If you are a C like Bamba or JJJ, more than likely you will be stuck playing scrap minutes behind Gasol until he retires, and lord knows when that will be. They also have a very very very bad draft history, and even guys who were looked at as great college players soon had their development and growth stunted as soon as they put on a Memphis jersey, with their careers ending shortly after. The only real players that have thrived in Memphis have been ZBO, Gasol, and Conley, but even he doesnt get the credit that he once deserved.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1362 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 am

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Kerrsed wrote:I hate when i keep refreshing a tab and seeing no new posts, then half a day goes by and i realize its because my last post in said thread was relocated, and therefore i was refreshing the wrong damn thread (Even Though the title at the top of the post still says its the old thread). AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hey sorry, but you went conspiracy over here and it got moved. I usually try and update the titles but I guess didn't there.


But It wasnt though. :lol: :lol:

It was a tweet about what Gambo said on the radio and i was just asking if anyone heard it and what was it about (And it was about his sources saying Bagley @ 2 and JJJ @ 3).

So quick the judge! :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1363 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:48 am

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I’m ashamed to admit this but I wanted Marshall too. That’s called not doing your homework.


My point was that was Pre-McD.

But it is funny seeing names thrown about of guys that we supposedly gave up on too early....then they went elsewhere and failed and were given up on....then went to a 3rd team and were given up on. Like seriously, what guys did we give up on too early that just BLOSSOMED elsewhere?


No your right. Funny thing is every team tries to fix draft bust. I have read hundreds of stories how team A might have signed a gem even though they failed with their last team. I have yet to read about a draft bust turned all-star by “change of scenery” type of trade.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1364 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:51 am

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1365 » by Moochthemonkey » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:59 am

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I’m ashamed to admit this but I wanted Marshall too. That’s called not doing your homework.


My point was that was Pre-McD.

But it is funny seeing names thrown about of guys that we supposedly gave up on too early....then they went elsewhere and failed and were given up on....then went to a 3rd team and were given up on. Like seriously, what guys did we give up on too early that just BLOSSOMED elsewhere?


young players McD has 'given up' on since he's been here:

-Kendall Marshall
-Dionte Christmas
-Vlachesav Kratsov
-Malcolm Lee
-James Nunally
-Miles Plumlee
-Ish Smith
-Zoran Dragic
-Tyler Ennis
-Jamil Wilson
-Seth Curry
-Reggie Bullock
-Jerel McNeal
-Lorenzo Brown
-Bryce Cotton
-Cory Jefferson
-John Jenkins
-Jordan McRae
-Phil Pressey
-Henry Sims
-Terrico White
-Derrick Jones Jr.
-Orlando Johnson
-Bryce Cotton
-Jarell Eddie
-Elijah Millsap
-Mike Scott
-Joshia Grey

No real gems there. 20/29 are no longer in the NBA, the rest being good 'who he play' candidates.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1366 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:01 am

I still feel like this "Sudden News" today that Atlanta out of the blue all of a sudden has NOW made Doncic the favorite at #3 is a complete smokescreen. I feel like they are targeting a guy who most likely will be available later on (JJJ/Trae/Bagley/Porter) and want to see what teams will offer them to move up to take Luka, cutting off the Grizzlies.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1367 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:05 am

Kerrsed wrote:I still feel like this "Sudden News" today that Atlanta out of the blue all of a sudden has NOW made Doncic the favorite at #3 is a complete smokescreen. I feel like they are targeting a guy who most likely will be available later on (JJJ/Trae/Bagley/Porter) and want to see what teams will offer them to move up to take Luka, cutting off the Grizzlies.


For the next 40 hour or so, it’s all smokescreens and GMs sitting back watching the mayhem.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1368 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:25 am

SunZel wrote:Am i missing something with the Grizzlies why don't players want to go there? Dont Know much about themn but i always thought of them as a good franchise....

They are a small market, they don't attract FA's, they haven't managed their drafting/trades and signings very well to replenish that drying well and their coaching hires have been so-so

Oh and as kerrsed mentioned, their 'old guard' seem to still warrant a lot of playing time so it'll be tough for non-wing prospects to come in and thrive.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1369 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:27 am

Kerrsed wrote:I still feel like this "Sudden News" today that Atlanta out of the blue all of a sudden has NOW made Doncic the favorite at #3 is a complete smokescreen. I feel like they are targeting a guy who most likely will be available later on (JJJ/Trae/Bagley/Porter) and want to see what teams will offer them to move up to take Luka, cutting off the Grizzlies.


I feel like I just said that, but maybe it was somewhere else.

Edit...no, I guess it was a couple pages ago... viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1715355&start=500#p66844969
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1370 » by SuperSunsFan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:34 am

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I’m ashamed to admit this but I wanted Marshall too. That’s called not doing your homework.


My point was that was Pre-McD.

But it is funny seeing names thrown about of guys that we supposedly gave up on too early....then they went elsewhere and failed and were given up on....then went to a 3rd team and were given up on. Like seriously, what guys did we give up on too early that just BLOSSOMED elsewhere?

The problem with Marshall is not that he was the prospect drafted by the previous GM and given up by McD so easily. The real problem was McD gave up on Marshall because of his lack of athleticism and shooting and then turn away and drafted Tyler Ennis who has the identical profile as Marshall with the same strengths and weaknesses :crazy:

Failed to learn from Marshall that a point guard no matter how good his passing is will not succeed with no quickness and shooting and turn around to draft another point guard with no quickness and shooting tells you McD is not exactly a fast learner.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1371 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:I still feel like this "Sudden News" today that Atlanta out of the blue all of a sudden has NOW made Doncic the favorite at #3 is a complete smokescreen. I feel like they are targeting a guy who most likely will be available later on (JJJ/Trae/Bagley/Porter) and want to see what teams will offer them to move up to take Luka, cutting off the Grizzlies.


I feel like I just said that, but maybe it was somewhere else.

Edit...no, I guess it was a couple pages ago... viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1715355&start=500#p66844969


I think i missed it because i was in the wrong thread. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1372 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:38 am

JJJ can play the 4. In fact, if the worst scenario for us happened and Doncic went 2 and Young 3, meaning we can't get one of those PGs by trading up, I'd still consider trading up for Porter or JJJ to play the 4.

But yeah, if I was Luka I'd want Memphis. You can win immediately. Memphis is a great city. Have solid vets around you and you are the clear face of the franchise once the elders age out.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1373 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:41 am

AtheJ415 wrote:JJJ can play the 4. In fact, if the worst scenario for us happened and Doncic went 2 and Young 3, meaning we can't get one of those PGs by trading up, I'd still consider trading up for Porter or JJJ to play the 4.

But yeah, if I was Luka I'd want Memphis. You can win immediately. Memphis is a great city. Have solid vets around you and you are the clear face of the franchise once the elders age out.


Yeah, Memphis would be a good place for Luka with some good vets there and a team that wants to win and probably will if Conley stays healthy. Dallas too.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1374 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:41 am

It is strange reading our #1 pick thread and seeing a bunch of Kendall Marshall posts (that I'm not reading).
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1375 » by ATTL » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:45 am

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McD is considered a joke around the league


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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1376 » by SuperSunsFan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:46 am

Luka Doncic is the glorified Kendall Marshall. Can't wait to see this piece of s*** garbage player struggle to put up 7/2/2 in the league.

Anyone who wants Doncic over Ayton are white supremacist who like him because he is white. Why are Americans still so racist?

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1377 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:48 am

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Kerrsed wrote:I hate when i keep refreshing a tab and seeing no new posts, then half a day goes by and i realize its because my last post in said thread was relocated, and therefore i was refreshing the wrong damn thread (Even Though the title at the top of the post still says its the old thread). AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hey sorry, but you went conspiracy over here and it got moved. I usually try and update the titles but I guess didn't there.


But It wasnt though. :lol: :lol:

It was a tweet about what Gambo said on the radio and i was just asking if anyone heard it and what was it about (And it was about his sources saying Bagley @ 2 and JJJ @ 3).

So quick the judge! :lol: :lol:


Wasn't there a poll about trading for #4?
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#1378 » by darealjuice » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:53 am

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Their volume was not small. 3 3s a game is high for a big man, particularly a center which is what Williams played at Arizona. If you are going to go that route, then nearly all college stats should be thrown out the door. None of the bigs in this lottery shot more 3s than that a game. Bagley shot 1.8. Jackson shot 2.7. None of them. So I guess we should ignore whatever any of them shot as entirely useless?

It obviously means something. Stats in college aren't meaningless. Sorry. You're just wrong here. Hitting 45% of his 3s means something, even over just 1 attempt a game, as opposed to hitting 5% of his 3s. You are literally sitting here saying they are meaningless and it's beyond dumb. Also, his workouts have shown him hitting at a high clip. His scouting reports don't have an issue with his release. And pointing out a couple examples where that didn't pan out doesn't really prove much. Channing Frye sucked at 3s in college. Marc Gasol sucked at 3s for nearly his entire career until 2 years ago. Jason Kidd had great rotation but could never hit 3s. There is a laundry list of guys in every statistical area who panned out or didn't in an unexpected way.

What we CAN go on is how they played so far, their workouts, and their actual releases to see how we think they will shoot at the next level. All 3 point to him being at least capable/not somebody you can just leave open.


Do you actually read my posts? I literally never said in any post that all stats in college are meaningless. They're incredibly valuable, but they need to be looked at in context. My claim, which you'd know is 100% legitimate if you had a shred of knowledge about how statistics work, is that a sample size of 40 shots in 37 games (i.e. context) means nearly nothing in regards to how good of a shooter he is. It's obviously better than 5%, but it still means very little. I don't get how you can say me picking out examples of wings that haven't translated as shooters doesn't mean much, then counter with 2 of your own examples out of the small handful of centers that developed a 3 point shot.

I've never said he can't be a shooter or that his form sucks, only that I have very little reason to believe that he'll be a good shooter based on what I've seen from him in college and the volume he shot from 3. I'm sorry that you can't comprehend that, but I'd appreciate if you'd stop setting up strawmen from my posts and quoting me about how "beyond dumb" the most basic principle of statistics is. If you want to keep pushing that he's a good shooter, be my guest.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1379 » by SuperSunsFan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:53 am

Pretty sure Doncic fanboys also voted for Trump who are happy to watch poor children separated from parents

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1380 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:57 am

Hitler was a Doncic fan #Neverforget

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