2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[BobbieL]

Jordan McCrae per Woj

Now? For what?

What a dumb move. The season is over and we need to play Cam and Bridges a lot.

We needed to trade or signed a good backup PG or SG way before, we knew we needed one since November.

James Jones is a meh GM for me. This last couple of losses have been terrible and unexpected, and we can easily go on a big losing streak now.

Not sure if we will get to 30 wins at this point.

Well he might be that PG/SG we were looking for. Sure, Denver waived him but they are deep. If we get his bird rights, then maybe he is a nice future piece. He killed it it in the G league last year.

Sure it would have been nice if we had him the last couple of games, but he wasn't cut at that point. Seems like they anticipated it happening via his agent and were holding that roster spot open.

Like you said, Bird Rights are huge in this. Bobby Marks mentioned it too. That allows so much flexibility. If McCrae shows he is worth signing next year. This is a move I approve of more than trading Tyler Johnson at the deadline to just "do something".

[phnart]

Two winnable games against bad teams and they come out and lay giant eggs.

This team sucks buttermilk. Zero heart. Done with them.

Freedom at last.

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[Saberestar]

Jordan McCrae per Woj

Now? For what?

What a dumb move. The season is over and we need to play Cam and Bridges a lot.

We needed to trade or signed a good backup PG or SG way before, we knew we needed one since November.

James Jones is a meh GM for me. This last couple of losses have been terrible and unexpected, and we can easily go on a big losing streak now.

Not sure if we will get to 30 wins at this point.

Well he might be that PG/SG we were looking for. Sure, Denver waived him but they are deep. If we get his bird rights, then maybe he is a nice future piece. He killed it it in the G league last year.

Sure it would have been nice if we had him the last couple of games, but he wasn't cut at that point. Seems like they anticipated it happening via his agent and were holding that roster spot open.

Yeah, but the problem is that the season is over and everyone already knows who McRae is as a player. It is similar to signing Canaan...we already know how he plays and he is not getting better.

He is a decent backup SG that can score but we do not need that when the season is over.

I would bring some younger player with some potential, not a veteran (he will be 29 this month) who is not better than any of Book, Cam, Oubre or Bridges.

[bigfoot]

Jordan McCrae per Woj

Played with James Jones on the Cavs championship team.

So we have the Orange mamba and Mocha mamba on the team ... LOL

[itlnsunsfan]

Now? For what?

What a dumb move. The season is over and we need to play Cam and Bridges a lot.

We needed to trade or signed a good backup PG or SG way before, we knew we needed one since November.

James Jones is a meh GM for me. This last couple of losses have been terrible and unexpected, and we can easily go on a big losing streak now.

Not sure if we will get to 30 wins at this point.

Well he might be that PG/SG we were looking for. Sure, Denver waived him but they are deep. If we get his bird rights, then maybe he is a nice future piece. He killed it it in the G league last year.

Sure it would have been nice if we had him the last couple of games, but he wasn't cut at that point. Seems like they anticipated it happening via his agent and were holding that roster spot open.

Yeah, but the problem is that the season is over and everyone already knows who McRae is as a player. It is similar to signing Canaan...we already know how he plays and he is not getting better.

He is a decent backup SG that can score but we do not need that when the season is over.

I would bring some younger player with some potential, not a veteran (he will be 29 this month) who is not better than any of Book, Cam, Oubre or Bridges.

This team desperately needs a reliable scoring guard off the bench.

[DirtyDez]

Book is Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson circa late 2000’s... Not a superstar and nothing wrong with that. If we get a playoff appearance or two I’m good at this point.

[ATTL]

Are we able to do a sign and trade for beasley with them sending back other players with him? I forget the rules for sign and trades.

[cberry78]

Yeah, but the problem is that the season is over and everyone already knows who McRae is as a player.

Isn't this pretty much the exact same thing that was said about Oubre when he left the Wizards to come here at this point last season?

I'm not saying that McRae will have the same kind of rebirth/impact with the Suns that we've seen from Oubre this year - but there is certainly the chance that he just needs a(nother) new change of venue.

EDIT: I think these last two games really show how important Oubre really is to the team.

[lilfishi22]

Pels and Kings have jumped past the Suns now. Along with the Griz. But the Suns are the ones hampered by young players still needing to grow?

Memphis has done really well and Morant has been a revelation for them which really helped them move to that next tier despite going through a rebuild of sorts.

I think Kings and Pels are probably in the same tier as us. They both have a win or two more than us but not significantly better or anything. Pels and Kings could certainly improve next season but we have plenty of room to improve as well.

[lilfishi22]

Book is Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson circa late 2000’s... Not a superstar and nothing wrong with that. If we get a playoff appearance or two I’m good at this point.

That's being generous. Roy was a closer and a pretty damn solid defender

[hollywood6964]

Book is Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson circa late 2000’s... Not a superstar and nothing wrong with that. If we get a playoff appearance or two I’m good at this point.

That's being generous. Roy was a closer and a pretty damn solid defender

Yeah, Brandon roy was a lot better than Booker. Joe Johnson was better too.

[Saberestar]

Yeah, but the problem is that the season is over and everyone already knows who McRae is as a player.

Isn't this pretty much the exact same thing that was said about Oubre when he left the Wizards to come here at this point last season?

I'm not saying that McRae will have the same kind of rebirth/impact with the Suns that we've seen from Oubre this year - but there is certainly the chance that he just needs a(nother) new change of venue.

EDIT: I think these last two games really show how important Oubre really is to the team.

McRae is five years older than Oubre and he has always been a borderline NBA player at best.

Is he gonna improve his game at 29?

I am frustrated with James Jones because we needed a player like that (well, better than him but you get the idea) three months ago...NOT NOW.

We could have traded for him or someone like him just giving a future second round pick. But we waited to the end of the season when everything is lost to get him. ****.

The truth is that he is surely a JJ's friend and he is just making him a favour. As simple as that.

[DirtyDez]

Book is Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson circa late 2000’s... Not a superstar and nothing wrong with that. If we get a playoff appearance or two I’m good at this point.

That's being generous. Roy was a closer and a pretty damn solid defender

Yeah, Brandon roy was a lot better than Booker. Joe Johnson was better too.

Eh we saw Joe have his own team in the East and they were putrid for a while. When he hit 27-28 years old and their draft picks started turning out they were good by Eastern Conference standards.

[Slim Charless]

How about Booker for Jrue Holiday or Beal? I would have tried to trade him for Klay Thompson, but the warriors already traded Russell. Then trade for Markanenn.

Rubio, Holiday, Bridges, Markannen, Ayton, should be pretty good.

No go for me on those two Booker trade proposals. I want multiple players, including at least one good prospect, and picks. Call the Knicks.

ATTL brought up the Wolves, mentioning Beasley. I think something like their 1st round pick (would have to be on draft night since they already traded their 21 pick), James Johnson, Culver, Beasley and Hernangomez could be an ok package. No real big names, but a few talented young players at different positions. Obviously it's not the phenomenal packages Kerrsed came up with but you know I found those unlikely.

It's hard for me to come to the conclusion to trade Booker though, but I guess it depends on the price. He's been a better player this season in multiple ways, but it just hurts when you know at any time, against any type of team, we can get out of the flow of good team ball and lose to the worst team in the NBA since we are not playing NBA level ball if we don't stick to a game plan.

I just want to hope the progress we have seen from him playing more team ball at times and putting more effort in defensively can continue.

If we're finally trading Booker then I'd look to see about Ingram. I wonder how he feels about Zion getting all the attention. Over here he'd get more love and still get his money. NOP might do it if they think that a locked in Booker is more valuable then a salty Ingram. The 2 are basically the same age and this year have put up very similar numbers.

Then we resign Oubre and roll with:

Rubio
Oubre
Bridges
Ingram
Ayton

We finally get some shooting from our 4 spot and that opens things up more for our glut of SFs.

[lilfishi22]

I doubt they would trade Ingram. Zion is still too much of an injury risk to trade away their next best player (who is also an all-star). Trading Ingram would be putting all their eggs in one basket and that's a risky venture. I also doubt Booker would net someone like Ingram.

I think if we were to trade Booker, we would be looking at guys with a similar value like Beal, Lavine (uhh), Hield, maybe Murray, maybe RJ.

[sunskerr]

Book needs to improve his defense. If he isn’t making some improvements by next year or he asks out then I’ll entertain trading him.

But these posters discussing trading him because of his offense is not serious and can be dismissed on the grounds that Booker grades out extremely favorably as an offensive player despite his flaws.

If you want to trade him you do it because of his defense. I posted a long explanation in a previous thread but alas my efforts are in vain (like always). Do some more research and back up your positions with stats and not only anecdotes which is the weakest form of evidence.

As far as the rest of the season, I don’t give a **** and will be watching the Rockets.

[Slim Charless]

I know we're all pissed about these last 2 games. I feel you there believe me but I think at best that's a wash between the two players. They're the same age basically and Booker has been putting up numbers longer. If anything I think we might can steal Lonzo from them too if we toss in a pick. The only issue is if Booker complains about going there but seeing they might make the playoffs it shouldn't be an issue.

[Slim Charless]

Book needs to improve his defense. If he isn’t making some improvements by next year or he asks out then I’ll entertain trading him.

But these posters discussing trading him because of his offense is not serious and can be dismissed on the grounds that Booker grades out extremely favorably as an offensive player despite his flaws.

If you want to trade him you do it because of his defense. I posted a long explanation in a previous thread but alas my efforts are in vain (like always). Do some more research and back up your positions with stats and not only anecdotes which is the weakest form of evidence.

As far as the rest of the season, I don’t give a **** and will be watching the Rockets.

I, for 1 don't wanna trade him but IF we did then what I'm saying is we need to get another all-star level player. Not a bunch of scrubs from other **** teams. This talk is mostly cause everyone is pissed b/c of them taking a massive dump this weekend when they needed it most.

[lilfishi22]

Book needs to improve his defense. If he isn’t making some improvements by next year or he asks out then I’ll entertain trading him.

But these posters discussing trading him because of his offense is not serious and can be dismissed on the grounds that Booker grades out extremely favorably as an offensive player despite his flaws.

If you want to trade him you do it because of his defense. I posted a long explanation in a previous thread but alas my efforts are in vain (like always). Do some more research and back up your positions with stats and not only anecdotes which is the weakest form of evidence.

As far as the rest of the season, I don’t give a **** and will be watching the Rockets.

I, for 1 don't wanna trade him but IF we did then what I'm saying is we need to get another all-star level player. Not a bunch of scrubs from other **** teams. This talk is mostly cause everyone is pissed b/c of them taking a massive dump this weekend when they needed it most.

I just don't think you're going to get one. I think you're gonna get a package with picks (probably not an awesome top 3 one), a few young players (not necessarily super high potential) and fillers to make up for Book's high salary.

[Slim Charless]

Book needs to improve his defense. If he isn’t making some improvements by next year or he asks out then I’ll entertain trading him.

But these posters discussing trading him because of his offense is not serious and can be dismissed on the grounds that Booker grades out extremely favorably as an offensive player despite his flaws.

If you want to trade him you do it because of his defense. I posted a long explanation in a previous thread but alas my efforts are in vain (like always). Do some more research and back up your positions with stats and not only anecdotes which is the weakest form of evidence.

As far as the rest of the season, I don’t give a **** and will be watching the Rockets.

I, for 1 don't wanna trade him but IF we did then what I'm saying is we need to get another all-star level player. Not a bunch of scrubs from other **** teams. This talk is mostly cause everyone is pissed b/c of them taking a massive dump this weekend when they needed it most.

I just don't think you're going to get one. I think you're gonna get a package with picks (probably not an awesome top 3 one), a few young players (not necessarily super high potential) and fillers to make up for Book's high salary.

There's no way. He's been putting up at least 22 a game for the past 4 years as the ONLY option. He sees the best defender every night, multiple dbl teams, no love from the refs and it doesn't matter he still puts up huge numbers. Hes not a chucker like Oubre either he does these things efficiently. He's been off but let's not forget what we have here.

We offer them Booker straight up for Ingram I think they take that and run-Usain Bolt style.