ImageImageImage

2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

Moderators: bwgood77, Qwigglez, lilfishi22

User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,419
And1: 9,086
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1361 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073712-kevin-durant-says-he-russell-westbrook-never-had-beef-dismisses-cupcake-ig-post.amp.html

So apparently there isn't any legitimate friction or animosity between Westbrook and Durant/ Paul. And whilst I don't believe for a second that the Clippers would let him walk if possible, I'd love to have us actually find a way to acquire him in free agency! IF there is any way possible. I'd much rather have our team play alongside of him than against competitively. And he'd be a big upgrade to Payne by a large margin leading our bench or at times alongside of Booker when Paul would sit! :nod:


Clips could probably offer him the tax MLE, same as we could. Someone else may offer more. It's amazing we jumped out to such a huge lead and went on an enormous run and they almost came back, despite Russ playing very poorly. But it just goes to show how quickly games can change when a team gets hot from 3.


What I'd value him most for is his non stop relentless motor, aggressive play and ability to speed up the tempo. I personally happen to think we're at our best when we push the pace a bit, get the defenses out on their heels and run. Also trapping and getting out on the break defensively. Most of all, he'd be an Energizer, very similar to Okogie, but more of an upgraded version of that for us do to his overall experience, athleticism, and kilter instinct which we lack. Now I don't see us getting him at all, but I'd pursue him just the same IF we felt we might lose Okogie for some anomalous reason. And I'd play off his friendship to Durant and Paul and even Booker and a greater likelihood of winning a ring with us than some other random team that might offer more money. with a possible increased role ( IF we looked to move on from Paul next season) we might offer him that spot perhaps? I just think his relentless motor, heart, tenacity would remedy a lot of our passivity issues.


He could be that " ring chaser" compliment that we often discuss here to help both parties get over the hump?
Image
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,336
And1: 61,073
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1362 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:30 pm

Spoiler:
By Doug Haller
5h ago
32

PHOENIX — Devin Booker started getting his footing right just as he passed half-court Tuesday night. The Suns guard looked to his left and saw teammate Kevin Durant hustling to try and fill the lane. Booker noticed Eric Gordon get into defensive position but the Clippers guard held back a little too much inside the 3-point arc. Booker planted and fired.

Throughout this Western Conference first-round playoffs series, those who know Booker best have tried to describe his performance. Or rather his elevation. Booker is a strange case, viewed nationally as one of the game’s great talents, but always with a foot on the line. Elite, just not elite-elite.

Before Game 3 in Los Angeles, Phoenix coach Monty Williams struggled to find the right word to describe Booker’s aggressiveness. He wondered if one existed. The next day reserve guard Landry Shamet said words like “special” and “incredible” really don’t do Booker justice. “He’s just driving us now,’’ he said.

And so Booker on Tuesday night pulled up in the third quarter of Game 5, keeping his right hand held high, knowing the outcome before everyone else in the building, the best feeling a shooter can have. The 3 ignited a sold-out Footprint Center, the exclamation point of Booker’s jaw-dropping 25-point third quarter and the lasting image of a 136-130 win that closed out this series.

“It was spiritual,” Durant said of Booker’s explosion. “I don’t scream too much in the games no more as I’ve gotten older but when he hit that 3 at the top of the key, I felt the energy and I know everybody in our crowd felt it. We feed off his aggression.”

While there’s an argument to be made for Miami’s Jimmy Butler, Booker has been the best player in these playoffs. On Tuesday night, he had 47 points, eight rebounds and 10 assists. He held the Suns together during a slow start. He outscored the Clippers 25-24 in the third quarter. And he helped hold off a final Los Angeles surge.

“There were times where he was taking what the defense gave him and there were times where he just went and it did not matter,” Williams said.

Through five games, Booker is averaging a postseason-high 37.2 points (Butler’s averaging 36.5) to go along with 5.0 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 2.6 steals. He’s shooting 60.2 percent from the field, 46.7 from 3 and 85.7 from the foul line. Asked to describe Booker’s first-round performance, forward Josh Okogie sat at his locker and said simply: “Indescribable.”

This was supposed to be Durant’s role. Sort of. When the Suns acquired the 13-time All-Star in February, everyone assumed he would lead the way during the playoffs. That he would become the alpha and Booker would play off him. Instead, it’s been the reverse. While Durant has played aggressively at times, Booker, a car collector, has kept the accelerator floored.

He hasn’t eased into this. He hasn’t picked his spots. “He’s feeling good when the jump ball comes,” point guard Chris Paul said. Booker described Tuesday’s contest, in which he shot 19 of 27 from the field, as a feeling-out process. The Suns had discussed not wanting to return to Los Angeles for Game 6, but it took a while for that urgency to translate onto the court.

The Clippers outplayed the Suns in the first half, a troubling habit that could cost Phoenix in the next round against top-seed Denver. Russell Westbrook hit a free throw to give LA a 71-61 lead, its biggest of the game. But then Booker hit a floater in the lane. After a Clippers offensive foul, Suns big man Deandre Ayton missed a short fadeaway. Booker grabbed the rebound and flipped it back to Ayton before falling out of bounds. In a flash, Booker ran back onto the court, stationing himself in the corner. Ayton underhanded an easy pass. Booker nailed the 3.

On the Phoenix bench, reserve Terrence Ross shook his head in disbelief.

“Ever since KD got here, the expectation is different,” said Ayton, who had 21 points and 11 rebounds. “It’s a completely different Book. The approach, the consistency and just competing on both ends of the floor has, like, risen to another level.”

Booker dribbled a difficult path to get here. His 2015 arrival, as the the No. 13 pick of the NBA draft, coincided with dark times. In rebuild-mode coming off the Steve Nash glory years, the Suns averaged 21.8 wins over Booker’s first four seasons. They had four head coaches in five years. Booker fought for respect, not backing down from confrontation, forcing his way. Always wanting more. He learned from mistakes.

After having his shot blocked in the final seconds of a close loss to Boston, Booker, then a rookie, texted then-coach Earl Watson and told him it’d never happen again. In 2019, he sent a late-night text to Williams, then in his first season in Phoenix, telling the coach that he wanted to guard the opponent’s star player the next evening. At the time, Booker wasn’t known as a strong defender. He just wanted the challenge.

“That spoke volumes to me,” Williams said.

It hasn’t stopped. The Suns are 12-1 with Durant in the lineup. They’ve looked sharp and they’ve looked vulnerable, often in the same game. Durant has played well (he’s averaging a “quiet” 28.4 points), Paul has had moments, but Booker has been the headliner. This has been his postseason stage.

“I don’t take any chance to do something special for granted,” he said. “(Going) from a young team to an established team now is just something totally different, but I wouldn’t change my journey for anybody else’s. There’s not many young players in the league that just get to get thrown into the fire and play through mistakes and learn through mistakes.

“It was tough taking them ‘L’s’ early on, but I think I got to develop my game. And I had an organization that believed in me. I just took it from there.”
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,419
And1: 9,086
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1363 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:35 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Clips could probably offer him the tax MLE, same as we could. Someone else may offer more. It's amazing we jumped out to such a huge lead and went on an enormous run and they almost came back, despite Russ playing very poorly. But it just goes to show how quickly games can change when a team gets hot from 3.


Ill pass on WB. he can only do what he does with the ball in his hands the majority of the time. If he cant get in a rhythm hes awful, the clippers made it a game despite him.


The Clips would be wise to blow things up and trade either Kawhi or pg13. If so, I don't see a reason they'd keep WB unless it's purely to sell tickets as he's played amazing recently.

If he's down and KD is down I'd have Russ here next year. Quite frankly at this point in their careers cp3 should be coming off the bench and WB starting. Russ plays every game, and goes 120% all the time. Bringing chris off the bench would mean less pressure on him and would likely extend his gastank futther into the season.

I highly doubt they'd actually do that as Chris is probably a powerful voice down at Footprint.


Slim gets it here! Russell ( even with the Flakers) was willing to accept his role coming off the bench, and that could be his role leading the bench and keeping them engaged IF Paul wasn't willing to come off the bench yet himself. But Russ would be the ultimate glue guy for us keeping the bench from being passive and lackluster in effort. He'd basically be a more experienced, more athletic, faster version of Okogie that just happens to have a connection to Paul and Durant so that Monty might he less likely to play Shamet over him. Okogie is great if we could keep him somehow, but Williams just doesn't ever play him enough anyways. Perhaps Westbrook with being closer to BOTH Durant and Paul would have more clout in this scenario and would force Monty's hand a bit more.

Personally, I'm not all that concerned with his shooting either as it's just a matter of clearly specifying his role as an energizing glue guy/ experienced bench leader for us off the bench , with occasional playing time as a starter next to Book in " point book" scenarios to give us another ballhandler, free throw generator, and lockdown backcourt defensive option. Sure a few teams could offer more. And some teams could offer him a chance to compete for a championship maybe? But we'd have to be more desirable than most in that regard due to his connection with Paul, Durant etc as well as our overall odds with already having Durant, Book and even Paul too. We can always add shooters easily enough through free agency or the draft!
Image
Revived
RealGM
Posts: 37,470
And1: 22,242
Joined: Feb 17, 2011

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1364 » by Revived » Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:28 pm

Ayton is a 75% FT shooter for his career (same FT% he had when he entered the league so he hasn’t got better or worse).

In the playoffs however he’s just a 67% FT shooter for his career.

In the Clippers series, he shot 55% from the FT line. Bismack Biyombo shot 56% from the FT line for the same series.

For a big man who’s offense game is almost entirely based on jump shooting, he can’t be this damn bad shooting FTs when freaking vet min guy Biyombo is shooting it better or same as him from there.
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,336
And1: 61,073
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1365 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:42 pm

Revived wrote:Ayton is a 75% FT shooter for his career (same FT% he had when he entered the league so he hasn’t got better or worse).

In the playoffs however he’s just a 67% FT shooter for his career.

In the Clippers series, he shot 55% from the FT line. Bismack Biyombo shot 56% from the FT line for the same series.

For a big man who’s offense game is almost entirely based on jump shooting, he can’t be this damn bad shooting FTs when freaking vet min guy Biyombo is shooting it better or same as him from there.


I guess it's a good thing he doesn't get to the line much.
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,419
And1: 9,086
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1366 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:01 am

I'm more concerned with how we're planning on addressing our depth issues this summer and what is the most cost effective sustainability strategy we should pursue??

1- Do we look to trade Ayton and keep Paul for one more season to try and free up more cap flexibility to sign some free agents?

2- Do we keep Ayton another season if he balls out, but then look to alternatively move Paul and Shamet in a deal?

3- Do we keep BOTH Paul and Ayton together for another season and look to continue trying to find low cost depth options in the vet min and buyout markets?

4- Do we look to add some more young, athletic, cost controlled talent through the draft towards long term sustainability alongside our core starters? Possibly even buying another pick or two or alternatively looking to maybe even trade up higher for more premium options?


Which of those listed options is best for us and why? What kind of targets in free agency should we all in on? Should we look to purchase a pick or two and should we consider adding back a GLeague affiliate team for greater development of talent and youth??
Image
User avatar
sunskerr
General Manager
Posts: 9,843
And1: 6,006
Joined: Feb 20, 2010
 

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1367 » by sunskerr » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:48 am

I think we look to trade BOTH Paul and Ayton. We need depth and Ayton is the most "movable" (and even then, the rest of the league may not have too much interest) piece we have that may be able to return two rotation level pieces. And if there is an option to deal Paul we will do it.

I don't think it makes sense to only move one, but I doubt Paul returns much value outside of like one role player. I think we look to get a guard, wing, and center by moving both of them.

The intricacies are along the lines of what combinations of positions are available or easier to obtain by trading Ayton vs Paul. For example is it easier to get a wing by trading Paul or get a PG by trading Ayton, or if you trade Ayton for a PG and C but what if you can't find a wing for Paul, etc..
Slim Charless
RealGM
Posts: 11,712
And1: 7,436
Joined: May 10, 2019
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1368 » by Slim Charless » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:57 am

Slim Charless wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
The Über Jimmy Butler thing is pretty fun. I don't think I saw anyone call this beating they've given the Bucks-even Heat fans.

I'm over 40 and have been watching NBA for over 30 years and that might've been the best playoff game performance I ever saw. Milwaukee tried to stop him....and couldn't. That was amazing lol.


the people underestimating the Heat forget that they have always given the Bucks problems, and they're basically the same team. It was only 3 years ago when Miami beat the Bucks in the ECF.


I wonder if they go down, if they'll make wholesale changes. I'd love to be able to get Jrue from them. I'd give them Ayton for that, but he probably only nets us Mids whose knees are possibly shot.


Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.
User avatar
King4Day
RealGM
Posts: 13,634
And1: 9,842
Joined: Dec 11, 2010
Location: Pandora
         

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1369 » by King4Day » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:25 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm more concerned with how we're planning on addressing our depth issues this summer and what is the most cost effective sustainability strategy we should pursue??

1- Do we look to trade Ayton and keep Paul for one more season to try and free up more cap flexibility to sign some free agents?

2- Do we keep Ayton another season if he balls out, but then look to alternatively move Paul and Shamet in a deal?

3- Do we keep BOTH Paul and Ayton together for another season and look to continue trying to find low cost depth options in the vet min and buyout markets?

4- Do we look to add some more young, athletic, cost controlled talent through the draft towards long term sustainability alongside our core starters? Possibly even buying another pick or two or alternatively looking to maybe even trade up higher for more premium options?


Which of those listed options is best for us and why? What kind of targets in free agency should we all in on? Should we look to purchase a pick or two and should we consider adding back a GLeague affiliate team for greater development of talent and youth??


This will all depend on the outcome of this season.
If we win it all, I keep DA and see what options are out there with Paul. If nothing that makes sense, keep him and look at a retool after next season.

I think the best overall option will be to keep the band together one more year and fill in the bench with cheap 3/D guys. A full camp/season of Book/KD might be unstoppable.
"Sometimes, the dragon wins" #RallyTheValley
User avatar
King4Day
RealGM
Posts: 13,634
And1: 9,842
Joined: Dec 11, 2010
Location: Pandora
         

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1370 » by King4Day » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:28 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
the people underestimating the Heat forget that they have always given the Bucks problems, and they're basically the same team. It was only 3 years ago when Miami beat the Bucks in the ECF.


I wonder if they go down, if they'll make wholesale changes. I'd love to be able to get Jrue from them. I'd give them Ayton for that, but he probably only nets us Mids whose knees are possibly shot.


Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


If they feel they need to reset, then maybe. I probably then try to sign Mason Plumlee if he's reasonable.
"Sometimes, the dragon wins" #RallyTheValley
KdoubleDees23
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,943
And1: 1,302
Joined: Feb 09, 2023

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1371 » by KdoubleDees23 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:06 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm more concerned with how we're planning on addressing our depth issues this summer and what is the most cost effective sustainability strategy we should pursue??

1- Do we look to trade Ayton and keep Paul for one more season to try and free up more cap flexibility to sign some free agents?

2- Do we keep Ayton another season if he balls out, but then look to alternatively move Paul and Shamet in a deal?

3- Do we keep BOTH Paul and Ayton together for another season and look to continue trying to find low cost depth options in the vet min and buyout markets?

4- Do we look to add some more young, athletic, cost controlled talent through the draft towards long term sustainability alongside our core starters? Possibly even buying another pick or two or alternatively looking to maybe even trade up higher for more premium options?


Which of those listed options is best for us and why? What kind of targets in free agency should we all in on? Should we look to purchase a pick or two and should we consider adding back a GLeague affiliate team for greater development of talent and youth??


How about we finish the playoffs first? Season isn't over. Quit being a quitter and trying to make moves
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,419
And1: 9,086
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1372 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:05 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm more concerned with how we're planning on addressing our depth issues this summer and what is the most cost effective sustainability strategy we should pursue??

1- Do we look to trade Ayton and keep Paul for one more season to try and free up more cap flexibility to sign some free agents?

2- Do we keep Ayton another season if he balls out, but then look to alternatively move Paul and Shamet in a deal?

3- Do we keep BOTH Paul and Ayton together for another season and look to continue trying to find low cost depth options in the vet min and buyout markets?

4- Do we look to add some more young, athletic, cost controlled talent through the draft towards long term sustainability alongside our core starters? Possibly even buying another pick or two or alternatively looking to maybe even trade up higher for more premium options?


Which of those listed options is best for us and why? What kind of targets in free agency should we all in on? Should we look to purchase a pick or two and should we consider adding back a GLeague affiliate team for greater development of talent and youth??


How about we finish the playoffs first? Season isn't over. Quit being a quitter and trying to make moves


Quitter? ........lol. I really enjoy your responses sometimes man. :lol:
Image
User avatar
King4Day
RealGM
Posts: 13,634
And1: 9,842
Joined: Dec 11, 2010
Location: Pandora
         

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1373 » by King4Day » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:15 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm more concerned with how we're planning on addressing our depth issues this summer and what is the most cost effective sustainability strategy we should pursue??

1- Do we look to trade Ayton and keep Paul for one more season to try and free up more cap flexibility to sign some free agents?

2- Do we keep Ayton another season if he balls out, but then look to alternatively move Paul and Shamet in a deal?

3- Do we keep BOTH Paul and Ayton together for another season and look to continue trying to find low cost depth options in the vet min and buyout markets?

4- Do we look to add some more young, athletic, cost controlled talent through the draft towards long term sustainability alongside our core starters? Possibly even buying another pick or two or alternatively looking to maybe even trade up higher for more premium options?


Which of those listed options is best for us and why? What kind of targets in free agency should we all in on? Should we look to purchase a pick or two and should we consider adding back a GLeague affiliate team for greater development of talent and youth??


How about we finish the playoffs first? Season isn't over. Quit being a quitter and trying to make moves


Uncalled for response there.
This is the thread for it, so nothing wrong with coming up with ideas.
If we lose game 1 and he says "blow it up, and heres' how", then I'd get it.
"Sometimes, the dragon wins" #RallyTheValley
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,336
And1: 61,073
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1374 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:26 pm

sunskerr wrote:I think we look to trade BOTH Paul and Ayton. We need depth and Ayton is the most "movable" (and even then, the rest of the league may not have too much interest) piece we have that may be able to return two rotation level pieces. And if there is an option to deal Paul we will do it.

I don't think it makes sense to only move one, but I doubt Paul returns much value outside of like one role player. I think we look to get a guard, wing, and center by moving both of them.

The intricacies are along the lines of what combinations of positions are available or easier to obtain by trading Ayton vs Paul. For example is it easier to get a wing by trading Paul or get a PG by trading Ayton, or if you trade Ayton for a PG and C but what if you can't find a wing for Paul, etc..


I wonder what the Lakers do with Russell. They let him walk they lose the cap space. I only bring him up because I think the Lakers are about the only team that would have interest in Paul, unless a team simply had a player who's salary they wanted to dump and they knew with Paul's team option in 24-25 he is basically an expiring.

As for Ayton, I have no idea who would have interest. I really can't think of any teams. Most teams I thought before I don't know what we'd get.

The only possiblity that pops into my head is if Charlotte doesn't get Victor, a Rozier/Richards for Ayton/Shamet swap. Richards is solid defensively but can't shoot. He can finish but from 3-10 ft was 28% and outside of 10 ft only had 10 shots this year.

I don't see a better deal than that, or any sort of Capela/Collins swap that gets brought up all the time by some poster.

Cue GoK to take this deal and add a couple of picks and a young prospect to our side.
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,336
And1: 61,073
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1375 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:29 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
the people underestimating the Heat forget that they have always given the Bucks problems, and they're basically the same team. It was only 3 years ago when Miami beat the Bucks in the ECF.


I wonder if they go down, if they'll make wholesale changes. I'd love to be able to get Jrue from them. I'd give them Ayton for that, but he probably only nets us Mids whose knees are possibly shot.


Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.
Revived
RealGM
Posts: 37,470
And1: 22,242
Joined: Feb 17, 2011

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1376 » by Revived » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:47 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
I wonder if they go down, if they'll make wholesale changes. I'd love to be able to get Jrue from them. I'd give them Ayton for that, but he probably only nets us Mids whose knees are possibly shot.


Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.

Yeah I was gonna say I’d even take just Lopez for Ayton honestly, he’s elite on defense and can space the floor. Big reason people are screaming for Budenholzer’s head is because he took Lopez out on that Butler game tying shot at the end of the 4th which Lopez likely would’ve prevented.

Bucks fans don’t seem interested in Ayton either (see below) which makes sense. Nobody wants a C on a max contract unless it’s Jokic or Embiid.

viewtopic.php?p=105752308#p105752308
Slim Charless
RealGM
Posts: 11,712
And1: 7,436
Joined: May 10, 2019
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1377 » by Slim Charless » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:49 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
I wonder if they go down, if they'll make wholesale changes. I'd love to be able to get Jrue from them. I'd give them Ayton for that, but he probably only nets us Mids whose knees are possibly shot.


Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.


JJJ already won DPOTY. Like last week.

I like actually like Lopez and would welcome him on our team if this trade happened. MIL needs a change-up in some way. I actually think they can get more for Jrue then DA, but the value isn't off as much as you think it is.

Edit: How about Capela/Collins for Ayton/Shamet? :wink:
SunsRback4Good
RealGM
Posts: 30,543
And1: 12,404
Joined: May 13, 2011
     

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1378 » by SunsRback4Good » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:01 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.


JJJ already won DPOTY. Like last week.

I like actually like Lopez and would welcome him on our team if this trade happened. MIL needs a change-up in some way. I actually think they can get more for Jrue then DA, but the value isn't off as much as you think it is.

Edit: How about Capela/Collins for Ayton/Shamet? :wink:


All those players need a new scenery so it makes perfect sense. Slim get Ishbia on the phone immediately.
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,336
And1: 61,073
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1379 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:05 pm

Revived wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Bumping this cause.....ya.

Ayton for Jrue. Anyone here think that MIL would do this? Allows them to move on from Lopez and get a big that is closer to Giannis's age.


No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.

Yeah I was gonna say I’d even take just Lopez for Ayton honestly, he’s elite on defense and can space the floor. Big reason people are screaming for Budenholzer’s head is because he took Lopez out on that Butler game tying shot at the end of the 4th which Lopez likely would’ve prevented.

Bucks fans don’t seem interested in Ayton either (see below) which makes sense. Nobody wants a C on a max contract unless it’s Jokic or Embiid.

viewtopic.php?p=105752308#p105752308


Maybe a young Brook Lopez, but he's 35. However, as I mention that, maybe Ishbia actually would want that, so maybe you will get your wish.
Saberestar
RealGM
Posts: 22,451
And1: 17,078
Joined: May 21, 2010

Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 6 - The Playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? 

Post#1380 » by Saberestar » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:08 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
No. Lopez might win DPOY and can hit the 3 opening the lane for Giannis. Jrue is nearly all NBA if he isn't. I am not sure the Bucks would be terribly enthused about a Lopez for Ayton swap, though would probably do it for age.

I think you think Ayton has far more value than he does. Zion, AD, Jrue and Lopez, etc.


JJJ already won DPOTY. Like last week.

I like actually like Lopez and would welcome him on our team if this trade happened. MIL needs a change-up in some way. I actually think they can get more for Jrue then DA, but the value isn't off as much as you think it is.

Edit: How about Capela/Collins for Ayton/Shamet? :wink:


All those players need a new scenery so it makes perfect sense. Slim get Ishbia on the phone immediately.

I prefer Ayton/Shamet over Capela/Collins.

We will see how this season ends, at the moment we are in the middle of a playoff run and everything can happen. I wouldn't make big changes if we play the Finals.

Return to Phoenix Suns