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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins 

Post#1361 » by Bogyo » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:51 pm

BobbieL wrote:Off-topic a bit but Mikal and CamPayne were at Frank Kaminsky's wedding last week. I didn't realize he was engaged to Ashley Brewer - jsut fired from ESPN. Good for Frank the Tank. Also just sold his house in Phoenix a few weeks ago - in the sunday paper. He got like 5m or something

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My man Frank punching waaaay above his weight! :D Good for him, hope it works out

(Then again, after googling his contracts and finding out he is about 25 mill, I'm not that surprised about it. Plus he looks like a good dude overall, so looks ain't everything.)
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Post#1362 » by Bogyo » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:53 pm

matt131 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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I mean, this doesn’t verify him at all in my opinion, but Flex says the dude has sources.

But still, if you can trade for George (no way clippers would do that nor do we have enough to trade) you do it.

Harden? Gtfo with that ****


One wannabe something fraud dude hyping up another? How wonderful of a circle jerk.
I'd rather wash my eyes out with bleach than read this. Or even one worse than that - I'd rather keep reading this board argue about Ayton :D
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Post#1363 » by sunskerr » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 pm

Bogyo wrote:
matt131 wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46

I mean, this doesn’t verify him at all in my opinion, but Flex says the dude has sources.

But still, if you can trade for George (no way clippers would do that nor do we have enough to trade) you do it.

Harden? Gtfo with that ****


One wannabe something fraud dude hyping up another? How wonderful of a circle jerk.
I'd rather wash my eyes out with bleach than read this. Or even one worse than that - I'd rather keep reading this board argue about Ayton :D


Yeah **** these fame seekers trying to be important.

I dont even like established media figures like Woj and Shams. They just strike me as grimy types seeking fortune on the backs of people with real talent (athletes). Could replace them with anybody or get rid of them, and business would continue as usual.

Doubt any of these media glory seekers have functional basketball knowledge.
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Post#1364 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:03 pm

No on Harden. George would be amazing. But are we not running out of assets, cap space, etc, for these deals? It will be interesting. We are full of players who haven't been able to get THEIR teams over the hump, all having choked in big playoff games, and both of those guys (Harden and George) have too. George and Beal actually played each other in the 2nd round in 2014 and in the final game of that series, Beal shot 36.8% and George 36.4%.
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Post#1365 » by KdoubleDees23 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:04 pm

Bogyo wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Off-topic a bit but Mikal and CamPayne were at Frank Kaminsky's wedding last week. I didn't realize he was engaged to Ashley Brewer - jsut fired from ESPN. Good for Frank the Tank. Also just sold his house in Phoenix a few weeks ago - in the sunday paper. He got like 5m or something

Read on Twitter
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My man Frank punching waaaay above his weight! :D Good for him, hope it works out

(Then again, after googling his contracts and finding out he is about 25 mill, I'm not that surprised about it. Plus he looks like a good dude overall, so looks ain't everything.)


Hes 7 foot. Heard hes hung like a donkey. She loves that aspect and his personality
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Post#1366 » by BobbieL » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:No on Harden. George would be amazing. But are we not running out of assets, cap space, etc, for these deals? It will be interesting. We are full of players who haven't been able to get THEIR teams over the hump, all having choked in big playoff games, and both of those guys (Harden and George) have too. George and Beal actually played each other in the 2nd round in 2014 and in the final game of that series, Beal shot 36.8% and George 36.4%.


Not that I am the cap person like DavidIVPointPlay- but i know with the new rules, the Suns can only take on 110.

Ayton = 32.5
Payne = 6.5
Ish = 1.927m
That totals 41 - so 110% - would be just over 45m

Paul George makes 45.6m

the math doesn't work unless KD or Booker are involved - based on my cap knowledge. many of the players cannot even be traded.

Plus other teams, Knicks - have better offers
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Post#1367 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:09 pm

Y’all know who this guy excuse me, clown is?

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Post#1368 » by KdoubleDees23 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:33 pm

Only way Suns can get PG and Harden would be to trade Beal, Booker, Ayton, or KD
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Post#1369 » by BobbieL » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:39 pm

Bogyo wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Off-topic a bit but Mikal and CamPayne were at Frank Kaminsky's wedding last week. I didn't realize he was engaged to Ashley Brewer - jsut fired from ESPN. Good for Frank the Tank. Also just sold his house in Phoenix a few weeks ago - in the sunday paper. He got like 5m or something

Read on Twitter
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My man Frank punching waaaay above his weight! :D Good for him, hope it works out

(Then again, after googling his contracts and finding out he is about 25 mill, I'm not that surprised about it. Plus he looks like a good dude overall, so looks ain't everything.)


Frank is probably a very good dude
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Post#1370 » by BobbieL » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:40 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:Only way Suns can get PG and Harden would be to trade Beal, Booker, Ayton, or KD


Not even Beal

they just traded for him
not until 8/23
and he has to agree to it
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Post#1371 » by dmastro32 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:41 pm

If harden wants the Suns so bad why didn’t he opt out and sign for the minimum
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Post#1372 » by Fo-Real » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:51 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:Only way Suns can get PG and Harden would be to trade Beal, Booker, Ayton, or KD


Well obviously it would be part of a multi team trade with Ayton. Frank was right last week, Aytons silence is deafening!
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Post#1373 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:04 pm

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Post#1374 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:07 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:Only way Suns can get PG and Harden would be to trade Beal, Booker, Ayton, or KD


Well obviously it would be part of a multi team trade with Ayton. Frank was right last week, Aytons silence is deafening!


What is Ayton suppose to say to “fans” endless rumors? Because that’s all this is, is fans conjuring up nonsense. I wouldn’t say anything either about nonsense.
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Post#1375 » by sunsbg » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:08 pm

As if we don't already have logjam of perimeter star players, but now will bring Harden too. These fake news glory hunters at least can try a little harder to come with something that makes sense.
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Post#1376 » by NapoleonII » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:30 pm

If Ayton wanted out what's to stop him from letting that be known, a trade request?

Booker also doesn't seem like he's the type to hide anything from anybody, talk behind somebody's back or behind closed doors (very Kobe-like).

Ayton's silence means nothing. Vogel has publicly praised Ayton, probably wouldn't be a good look to have him traded weeks after. Of course I'm sure the team has done their due diligence in seeing if anyone is interested and has a trade that pushes us closer to a championship. There wasn't.

It's a "what have you done lately / last playoffs sort of league and Monty underutilized Ayton.

It means he's likely going to suit up and play, probably happy that there's a new coach.

I'm 50/50 on trading Ayton, I really don't care.

But I'm 100 percent in only trading assets for logical moves, and this team is all-in. You don't trade a big-man that has put up historic numbers in playoff series, but also put up lacklaster performances under a mess of a coaching system and cohesion (KD getting traded, CP3 regularly injured, our defensive foundations traded, Bridges/Crowder).

They're gonna roll with this team, try to get everyone to buy in, and if it's not working, see what's on the table before the trade deadline.

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Post#1377 » by enigmatics » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:28 pm

NapoleonII wrote:If Ayton wanted out what's to stop him from letting that be known, a trade request?

Booker also doesn't seem like he's the type to hide anything from anybody, talk behind somebody's back or behind closed doors (very Kobe-like).

Ayton's silence means nothing. Vogel has publicly praised Ayton, probably wouldn't be a good look to have him traded weeks after. Of course I'm sure the team has done their due diligence in seeing if anyone is interested and has a trade that pushes us closer to a championship. There wasn't.

It's a "what have you done lately / last playoffs sort of league and Monty underutilized Ayton.

It means he's likely going to suit up and play, probably happy that there's a new coach.

I'm 50/50 on trading Ayton, I really don't care.

But I'm 100 percent in only trading assets for logical moves, and this team is all-in. You don't trade a big-man that has put up historic numbers in playoff series, but also put up lacklaster performances under a mess of a coaching system and cohesion (KD getting traded, CP3 regularly injured, our defensive foundations traded, Bridges/Crowder).

They're gonna roll with this team, try to get everyone to buy in, and if it's not working, see what's on the table before the trade deadline.

Go Suns!


We already know the Suns are legitimately listening to offers for Ayton and available for the right price - so what's this talk about it not being a good look if he gets traded after some of Vogel's comments? Total nothing burger there. The HC talking up a player covers all the bases - hypes up an asset and at the same time promoting what he's got in front of him right now. He's also NOT the GM.

I have previously provided a recent example of Vogel himself talking up young studs on the Lakers and how he was excited to craft a roster/strategy around them mere days before they got shipped out for Anthont Davis So trust me - unless the player is a franchise cornerstone the coach speak means nothing either way from a trade perspective.
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Post#1378 » by enigmatics » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:40 pm

Seeing how Ishbia operates - even though it sometimes the "X player to the Suns" talk makes me want to roll my eyes I can't completely write off the talk about other big names like Harden, PG13, etc.

It's pretty obvious our owner wants to market the ever living sh- out of this franchise to speed up the ROI. I mean streaming home games, grabbing Beal, he's doing all he can and it goes beyond just winning a championship i.e. top notch entertainment.

Seems to me he wants the Suns to be on par with the other major metropolitan franchises in the association. For too long this club has strangely been ignored or viewed as some small market operation.
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Post#1379 » by NapoleonII » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:42 pm

enigmatics wrote:
NapoleonII wrote:If Ayton wanted out what's to stop him from letting that be known, a trade request?

Booker also doesn't seem like he's the type to hide anything from anybody, talk behind somebody's back or behind closed doors (very Kobe-like).

Ayton's silence means nothing. Vogel has publicly praised Ayton, probably wouldn't be a good look to have him traded weeks after. Of course I'm sure the team has done their due diligence in seeing if anyone is interested and has a trade that pushes us closer to a championship. There wasn't.

It's a "what have you done lately / last playoffs sort of league and Monty underutilized Ayton.

It means he's likely going to suit up and play, probably happy that there's a new coach.

I'm 50/50 on trading Ayton, I really don't care.

But I'm 100 percent in only trading assets for logical moves, and this team is all-in. You don't trade a big-man that has put up historic numbers in playoff series, but also put up lacklaster performances under a mess of a coaching system and cohesion (KD getting traded, CP3 regularly injured, our defensive foundations traded, Bridges/Crowder).

They're gonna roll with this team, try to get everyone to buy in, and if it's not working, see what's on the table before the trade deadline.

Go Suns!


We already know the Suns are legitimately listening to offers for Ayton and available for the right price - so what's this talk about it not being a good look if he gets traded after some of Vogel's comments? Total nothing burger there. The HC talking up a player covers all the bases - hypes up an asset and at the same time promoting what he's got in front of him right now. He's also NOT the GM.

I have previously provided a recent example of Vogel himself talking up young studs on the Lakers and how he was excited to craft a roster/strategy around them mere days before they got shipped out for Anthont Davis So trust me - unless the player is a franchise cornerstone the coach speak means nothing either way from a trade perspective.


lol calm down.

Your whole (and most of your posts) tirade you just posted is a nothing burger.

If you think Vogel was brought in without some thought of how he wanted to coach, and who, please go start a twitter because I think it'll be a much better space for you.

And Ayton isn't some young stud, or a role-player. He was a key cog in the 2021 title run, and there's been more talk (and receipts) of how effective Vogel is with utilizing big-men who can switch in his defensive schemes.

I never respond to you because you're usually histrionic, but this was hilarious dude. Stop trying to guess what everyone is doing on the Suns and moaning about it here and let the grown-ups do their job.
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Post#1380 » by enigmatics » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pm

NapoleonII wrote:lol calm down.

Your whole (and most of your posts) tirade you just posted is a nothing burger.

If you think Vogel was brought in without some thought of how he wanted to coach, and who, please go start a twitter because I think it'll be a much better space for you.

And Ayton isn't some young stud, or a role-player. He was a key cog in the 2021 title run, and there's been more talk (and receipts) of how effective Vogel is with utilizing big-men who can switch in his defensive schemes.

I never respond to you because you're usually histrionic, but this was hilarious dude. Stop trying to guess what everyone is doing on the Suns and moaning about it here and let the grown-ups do their job.


"Calm down." LOL

Bro don't get all super-Ayton I mean sensitive on me. I'm not the one guessing here and making claims about what they are likely or not likely doing and contradicting myself.

He's not a cornerstone player. The whole league knows the Suns are taking offers THAT is 100% fact. They don't give two sh-ts what it would "look like" if they moved him after Vogel paid him some compliments otherwise there would not have been any talks. That's why your specific commentary about it is laughable.

Oh what you can only "listen" to offers, but executing any of them suddenly puts them at risk for being a chitty org? :lol:

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