The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[KdoubleDees23]

KD to houston for FVV , brooks, Amen thompson, and 2 firsts

FVV
Beal
booker
Thompson
Nurkic

Or trade 2031 for kessler

What a dumb post.

Why is this a dumb post? Because you love KD ? He has done a lot for us!

A true PG with FVV and young stud in Thompson does a lot! then a defender like brooks.

That team would def be better, deeper, and we get 2 future picks and 2031 pick to use for another trade.

[garrick]

Suns with Nurkic, Plumlee matches up poorly against playoff rivals who they are likely to face in the first round. It's just very glaring, it's the same problem the Bulls had the last 3 years or so. Teams will just attack the middle or go small ball and Suns are disadvantaged big time. You'd need KD and Booker to average 35 plus to offset the lack of defense.

Plumlee should be better than Nurkic but he is almost 35 so we really can't expect too much from him at this point in his career and he can probably play max 20 mins at the center spot or he will get worn out.

We may need to expect Ighodaro to fill in at center if we don't get anyone else because at least he has some size but he's apparently not a great shot blocker despite a 40 inch vertical.

[bwgood77]

I really like this lineup to start the 4th.

Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Nurkic

Has facilitation, has shooting won't fall in a hole for 4 minutes before Booker and Durant come back in.

Im working on a written piece thats more detailed on their turnovers, and one of the initial things that stands out is how absolutely abysmal the Suns' turnover rate was whenever Booker wasnt on the court last season. One of the simple things that screams "try me" is ensuring your AST:TO king backup PG (in theory, anyway) is on the court basically every second that Booker is not in the game. Its only like 25% of the minutes in a game where he plays, but its (mins w/o Book) a disproportionally large percentage of their TOs. At the very least it's probly a worthwhile experiment.

Yeah, that's huge, the Count of Monte Ast/TO is important. The more the ball is in his hands every minute he is in the game to make decisions and people don't resort to iso as much, is good. We generally need more catch and shoot, more 3s, etc. I assume Bud will make that happen.

I wonder if he has Nurkic shooting a ton of 3s. Brook Lopez only started shooting a lot of 3s his last year in Brooklyn and then in LA before shooting a ton every year in Milwaukee. He was always a good FT shooter though.

One thing I won't be surprised is if he also tries to get Plumlee shooting 3s. He used to be a putrid FT shooter...shot 39.2% from the line in Charlotte, but the last two years is over 77% 2 years ago and over 70% last year. Since he has improved there, Bud may try to get him shooting a ton of 3s in practice. He is not the player he once was, but if he could add 3s, that would be huge. I won't hold my breath but it would be nice.

I imagine he will have Oso shooting them and a lot of free throws from Day 1. They should hold 3pt competitions in practice for Dunn, Oso, Plumlee and Nurkic.

[bwgood77]

Suns with Nurkic, Plumlee matches up poorly against playoff rivals who they are likely to face in the first round. It's just very glaring, it's the same problem the Bulls had the last 3 years or so. Teams will just attack the middle or go small ball and Suns are disadvantaged big time. You'd need KD and Booker to average 35 plus to offset the lack of defense.

Plumlee should be better than Nurkic but he is almost 35 so we really can't expect too much from him at this point in his career and he can probably play max 20 mins at the center spot or he will get worn out.

We may need to expect Ighodaro to fill in at center if we don't get anyone else because at least he has some size but he's apparently not a great shot blocker despite a 40 inch vertical.

I don't think Plumlee will be better than Nurkic. Plumlee's 2 pt % dropped from 73% 2 years ago to 57% last year. Huge drop. Need to get that back up there. Though still not as bad as Nurkic from 2, who was at like 55.5%. We need those guys to be able to finish at the rim.

Nurkic just need to be better inside. We really need that rim protection. Dunn can provide some if he gets playing time, but that's our biggest weakness along with turnovers.

[dremill24]

Suns with Nurkic, Plumlee matches up poorly against playoff rivals who they are likely to face in the first round. It's just very glaring, it's the same problem the Bulls had the last 3 years or so. Teams will just attack the middle or go small ball and Suns are disadvantaged big time. You'd need KD and Booker to average 35 plus to offset the lack of defense.

Plumlee should be better than Nurkic but he is almost 35 so we really can't expect too much from him at this point in his career and he can probably play max 20 mins at the center spot or he will get worn out.

We may need to expect Ighodaro to fill in at center if we don't get anyone else because at least he has some size but he's apparently not a great shot blocker despite a 40 inch vertical.

I don't think Plumlee will be better than Nurkic. Plumlee's 2 pt % dropped from 73% 2 years ago to 57% last year. Huge drop. Need to get that back up there. Though still not as bad as Nurkic from 2, who was at like 55.5%. We need those guys to be able to finish at the rim.

Nurkic just need to be better inside. We really need that rim protection. Dunn can provide some if he gets playing time, but that's our biggest weakness along with turnovers.

Got the wrong big man lol

[Slim Charless]

What a dumb post.

Why is this a dumb post? Because you love KD ? He has done a lot for us!

A true PG with FVV and young stud in Thompson does a lot! then a defender like brooks.

That team would def be better, deeper, and we get 2 future picks and 2031 pick to use for another trade.

KD is worth more. I have no problem trading him or Book, my issue is you guys and your desire to trade these dudes for scraps. Like the posters who wanna send Book out to BRK for just our picks back a few months ago. Dumb idea and giving players away for nothing.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Suns with Nurkic, Plumlee matches up poorly against playoff rivals who they are likely to face in the first round. It's just very glaring, it's the same problem the Bulls had the last 3 years or so. Teams will just attack the middle or go small ball and Suns are disadvantaged big time. You'd need KD and Booker to average 35 plus to offset the lack of defense.

Plumlee should be better than Nurkic but he is almost 35 so we really can't expect too much from him at this point in his career and he can probably play max 20 mins at the center spot or he will get worn out.

We may need to expect Ighodaro to fill in at center if we don't get anyone else because at least he has some size but he's apparently not a great shot blocker despite a 40 inch vertical.

I don't think Plumlee will be better than Nurkic. Plumlee's 2 pt % dropped from 73% 2 years ago to 57% last year. Huge drop. Need to get that back up there. Though still not as bad as Nurkic from 2, who was at like 55.5%. We need those guys to be able to finish at the rim.

Nurkic just need to be better inside. We really need that rim protection. Dunn can provide some if he gets playing time, but that's our biggest weakness along with turnovers.

I'm confused as to why the suns targeted Plumlee as a backup knowing that he's so very similar to Nurkic (although moderately more athletic) and then even more redundancy with drafting Ighodaro knowing that despite his 39 inch vertical, he's really not a rim protector as he basically blocked around as much shots as Saric when he was here.

Actually you could figure Ighodaro is more or less a more switchable, more athletic mix of Saric/ Thad Young, but with no legitimate 3 PT shooting currently.

So knowing these things coming into this, shouldn't we have prioritized a more legitimate rim running shotblocker with significant vertical burst and the propensity for blocking shots?

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'm really leaning towards Gary Trent Jr for Gordon's role, and Precious Achiuwa for another backup big with actual rim running/ shotblocking/ strong defensive versatility.

I like Lowry, But don't think he or Tyus Jones is going to legitimately come here. And would then choose Trent Jr for 3 PT shooting over the supplementary playmaking insurance from Payne that I'd instead have Gillespie cover.

[KdoubleDees23]

Why is this a dumb post? Because you love KD ? He has done a lot for us!

A true PG with FVV and young stud in Thompson does a lot! then a defender like brooks.

That team would def be better, deeper, and we get 2 future picks and 2031 pick to use for another trade.

KD is worth more. I have no problem trading him or Book, my issue is you guys and your desire to trade these dudes for scraps. Like the posters who wanna send Book out to BRK for just our picks back a few months ago. Dumb idea and giving players away for nothing.

So FVV is a scrub? Amen Thompson a scrub? and 2 firsts? We can also package

Nurkic, 3 firsts and little after that for another good player!!!! KD hasnt even sniffed the WCF with us.

[Slim Charless]

That team would def be better, deeper, and we get 2 future picks and 2031 pick to use for another trade.

KD is worth more. I have no problem trading him or Book, my issue is you guys and your desire to trade these dudes for scraps. Like the posters who wanna send Book out to BRK for just our picks back a few months ago. Dumb idea and giving players away for nothing.

So FVV is a scrub? Amen Thompson a scrub? and 2 firsts? We can also package

Nurkic, 3 firsts and little after that for another good player!!!! KD hasnt even sniffed the WCF with us.

Yes.


I want Sengun, all our picks back and something else. We'll have to take Brooks for cap purposes, but he's nothing to me. I'll take Amen but he's not the key young piece in the deal.

If Booker is the 1 one going out, I want all of that plus alot more.

[KdoubleDees23]

KD is worth more. I have no problem trading him or Book, my issue is you guys and your desire to trade these dudes for scraps. Like the posters who wanna send Book out to BRK for just our picks back a few months ago. Dumb idea and giving players away for nothing.

So FVV is a scrub? Amen Thompson a scrub? and 2 firsts? We can also package

Nurkic, 3 firsts and little after that for another good player!!!! KD hasnt even sniffed the WCF with us.

Yes.


I want Sengun, all our picks back and something else. We'll have to take Brooks for cap purposes, but he's nothing to me. I'll take Amen but he's not the key young piece in the deal.

If Booker is the 1 one going out, I want all of that plus alot more.

Sengun, Brooks, Thompson, and our firsts for KD.

Then use Nurkic, 1st for a PG.

[bwgood77]

Plumlee should be better than Nurkic but he is almost 35 so we really can't expect too much from him at this point in his career and he can probably play max 20 mins at the center spot or he will get worn out.

We may need to expect Ighodaro to fill in at center if we don't get anyone else because at least he has some size but he's apparently not a great shot blocker despite a 40 inch vertical.

I don't think Plumlee will be better than Nurkic. Plumlee's 2 pt % dropped from 73% 2 years ago to 57% last year. Huge drop. Need to get that back up there. Though still not as bad as Nurkic from 2, who was at like 55.5%. We need those guys to be able to finish at the rim.

Nurkic just need to be better inside. We really need that rim protection. Dunn can provide some if he gets playing time, but that's our biggest weakness along with turnovers.

Got the wrong big man lol

Yeah, not much talk about Nurkic not dunking it....I thought that was a big deal for our team. Very good at just tossing up prayers...it's like he's playing Horse hoping it goes in because it would be very hard to replicate.

[lilfishi22]

I really like this lineup to start the 4th.

Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Nurkic

Has facilitation, has shooting won't fall in a hole for 4 minutes before Booker and Durant come back in.

Im working on a written piece thats more detailed on their turnovers, and one of the initial things that stands out is how absolutely abysmal the Suns' turnover rate was whenever Booker wasnt on the court last season. One of the simple things that screams "try me" is ensuring your AST:TO king backup PG (in theory, anyway) is on the court basically every second that Booker is not in the game. Its only like 25% of the minutes in a game where he plays, but its (mins w/o Book) a disproportionally large percentage of their TOs. At the very least it's probly a worthwhile experiment.

Yeah, that's huge, the Count of Monte Ast/TO is important. The more the ball is in his hands every minute he is in the game to make decisions and people don't resort to iso as much, is good. We generally need more catch and shoot, more 3s, etc. I assume Bud will make that happen.

I wonder if he has Nurkic shooting a ton of 3s. Brook Lopez only started shooting a lot of 3s his last year in Brooklyn and then in LA before shooting a ton every year in Milwaukee. He was always a good FT shooter though.

One thing I won't be surprised is if he also tries to get Plumlee shooting 3s. He used to be a putrid FT shooter...shot 39.2% from the line in Charlotte, but the last two years is over 77% 2 years ago and over 70% last year. Since he has improved there, Bud may try to get him shooting a ton of 3s in practice. He is not the player he once was, but if he could add 3s, that would be huge. I won't hold my breath but it would be nice.

I imagine he will have Oso shooting them and a lot of free throws from Day 1. They should hold 3pt competitions in practice for Dunn, Oso, Plumlee and Nurkic.

Plumlee improved on his FT% because he changed his FT shooting hand from right to left after an injury to his right hand. Surprisingly, it yielded real success but I don't think it would translate to shooting all the way from 3PT line.

[lilfishi22]

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We can put that idea to rest

[Sunsdeuce]

And just like we all knew in our hearts…Okagie is (foolishly) resigned with the suns.

Suns: this roster ain’t working

Suns FO: don’t care, we gonna bring it back and blame it on the coaches

Suns: but some players aren’t playable in the playoffs

Suns FO: don’t care, they cheap

Suns: but we just drafted a younger taller version of Okagie

Suns FO: you can never have enough players who have zero offensive skill set

[mkot]

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So we really gonna have Monte starting huh?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Morris for Gordon
Plumlee for Eubanks
Dunn for Okogie

They're the James Jones backup PG, backup C and athletic wing.

Pretty much the same team though as last season.

He's banking on his own mistake of paying Vogel 30m being so bad that it'll fix it all.

[Sunsdeuce]

Morris for Gordon
Plumlee for Eubanks
Dunn for Okogie

They're the James Jones backup PG, backup C and athletic wing.

Pretty much the same team though as last season.

Hate to be a party pooper but Okagie is back. I can see this team getting worse and that’s a crappy feeling.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Is Damion Lee a ball handler?

If Morris gets injured we're probably worse than last year.

[bwgood77]

Im working on a written piece thats more detailed on their turnovers, and one of the initial things that stands out is how absolutely abysmal the Suns' turnover rate was whenever Booker wasnt on the court last season. One of the simple things that screams "try me" is ensuring your AST:TO king backup PG (in theory, anyway) is on the court basically every second that Booker is not in the game. Its only like 25% of the minutes in a game where he plays, but its (mins w/o Book) a disproportionally large percentage of their TOs. At the very least it's probly a worthwhile experiment.

Yeah, that's huge, the Count of Monte Ast/TO is important. The more the ball is in his hands every minute he is in the game to make decisions and people don't resort to iso as much, is good. We generally need more catch and shoot, more 3s, etc. I assume Bud will make that happen.

I wonder if he has Nurkic shooting a ton of 3s. Brook Lopez only started shooting a lot of 3s his last year in Brooklyn and then in LA before shooting a ton every year in Milwaukee. He was always a good FT shooter though.

One thing I won't be surprised is if he also tries to get Plumlee shooting 3s. He used to be a putrid FT shooter...shot 39.2% from the line in Charlotte, but the last two years is over 77% 2 years ago and over 70% last year. Since he has improved there, Bud may try to get him shooting a ton of 3s in practice. He is not the player he once was, but if he could add 3s, that would be huge. I won't hold my breath but it would be nice.

I imagine he will have Oso shooting them and a lot of free throws from Day 1. They should hold 3pt competitions in practice for Dunn, Oso, Plumlee and Nurkic.

Plumlee improved on his FT% because he changed his FT shooting hand from right to left after an injury to his right hand. Surprisingly, it yielded real success but I don't think it would translate to shooting all the way from 3PT line.

Well if he is ambidextrous and found out he shoots much better with his left hand, then maybe it could. Of course it's nothing I'd expect, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bud tried to get him shooting them in practice a lot to try and establish it.