The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[sunsbum]

And the bottom line with no show Jones is he didn’t do enough when it needed to be done. Squandering Chowder and by passing Halliburton were very impactful moments. Those were the equivalent of grounding into a bases loaded tie game double play. We were right there. I’ll take addition by subtraction with this hire.

since when do you have a soft spot for chuck!? That guy was toast.

[grumpysaddle]

Only way it makes sense, if he really is some draft guru, is that the Suns are trading a lot of pieces for more draft picks, since that cupboard is pretty barren. Could have just kept those draft picks in the first place. Rather have kept Bridges (and CamJo) and that boatload of picks.

Who'd have thought I'd miss having that piece of feces, Robert Sarver, as the owner? At least he seemed to be figuring out how to get out of his own way towards the end.

[Saberestar]

Jake Fischer:

Brian Gregory had multiple stints at Mat Isbhia's alma mater Michigan State as an assistant coach. He has already been leading the Suns' college scouting and draft process, sources say, including early Phoenix draft workouts.

[bigfoot]

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Chris Paul would be a terrible coach. I’m sorry but it’s a stupid idea. Being a successful coach is both IQ, ability to bring the best out of every player and lastly earn the trust of your players. Paul would NEVER get the trust of the players.

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

[BobbieL]

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Chris Paul would be a terrible coach. I’m sorry but it’s a stupid idea. Being a successful coach is both IQ, ability to bring the best out of every player and lastly earn the trust of your players. Paul would NEVER get the trust of the players.

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

Chris Quinn
Cassell

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Shhhhh! Nobody mention this to Fishi...lol
Also that ( per Bourget) Gregory was actually hired as a talent/ draft consultant in 2023 prior to that draft too and had long standing Dayton connections. I believe that was the same college that Camara played at prior to his being drafted.

Literally says Gregory was a key part of the selection. Not that he was the one who made the call.

After two decades as an NCAA head coach, Gregory worked closely with Suns officials in the front office over the past two years, was a key part of the selections of 2024 draft picks Ryan Dunn and Oso Ighodaro, and he now assumes a more prominent, day-to-day position.

But if you want to suggest Jones wasn't a key decision maker as GM then I can once again I can suggest Jones wasn't a key decision maker in all the bad moves we've made and selectively give him credit for the good ones.

Maybe he wasn't, maybe he was? But at least I've offered evidence of support for my position. Do you have anything at all apart from personal opinion that even mentions or supports the premise that he wasn't a key decision maker in those sub par/ detrimental decisions?

Also, going off what we know of Jones during his tenure here and his proclivities in trades and overall value assessments, and his aversion to the draft in general over free agents and other vets, what would really be your counter position? We can both argue from a logical fallacy position. And continue to go back and forth on differing perspectives.

But I've at least furnished evidence of inside information establishing pattern of outcome and correlative substantiative factors towards my position. But even if your counter would be that Jones wasn't/ isn't a key decision maker in those processes and outcomes man,


Then that would then only further substantiate that he's a "Yes man" in his role, and as a byproduct would obviously invalidate the overall credibility of his even being in that title position in the first place. Because if that's the case, then he's only a faux GM and a puppet representative of the position. Which really kind of tracts with our outcome over the past number of seasons up till currently.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't understand complaints about the GM hire. We must have the least attractive GM position in the league. Our picks will be at the back of the draft for the next seven years. Who cares who the GM is.

[bigfoot]

Chris Paul would be a terrible coach. I’m sorry but it’s a stupid idea. Being a successful coach is both IQ, ability to bring the best out of every player and lastly earn the trust of your players. Paul would NEVER get the trust of the players.

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

Chris Quinn
Cassell

Quinn yes
Cassell ... too old to relate to the young guys at 55. Would not be a 10 year hire needed for stability. Thinking 38-42 year olds.

[BobbieL]

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

Chris Quinn
Cassell

Quinn yes
Cassell ... too old to relate to the young guys at 55. Would not be a 10 year hire needed for stability. Thinking 38-42 year olds.

Good point on Cassell
I guess I didn't realize how old he was -- but that makes me old too!

[Sunsdeuce]

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Chris Paul would be a terrible coach. I’m sorry but it’s a stupid idea. Being a successful coach is both IQ, ability to bring the best out of every player and lastly earn the trust of your players. Paul would NEVER get the trust of the players.

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

Chris Paul AlWAYS loses the locker room and he’s a well known back stabber! He always rubs players the wrong way. I don’t give a s$&@ who “rates” him as a good possible coach. F that clown of a human being!

It generally takes at least a decade for a player to successfully transition from player to coach. Jason Kidd took a long time to learn how to be a decent coach. Steve Kerr had to do broadcasting for years and head office duties before he took a HC position. Steve Nash sucked at it too. The best coaches work their way up and learn how to be coaches.

[BobbieL]

Chris Paul would be a terrible coach. I’m sorry but it’s a stupid idea. Being a successful coach is both IQ, ability to bring the best out of every player and lastly earn the trust of your players. Paul would NEVER get the trust of the players.

NBA GMS rate both Chris Paul and Garrett Temple as current NBA players who would be the best NBA coach someday. I think a relatively young, relatable coach is the ideal hire. Spoelstra was 37 when hired by the Heat. No more old retreads please.

Chris Paul AlWAYS loses the locker room and he’s a well known back stabber! He always rubs players the wrong way. I don’t give a s$&@ who “rates” him as a good possible coach. F that clown of a human being!

I wouldn't want that guy as a coach.

I like the idea of Quinn as he has learned from the best coach in the NBA. If you are building a team and hiring Gregory for player development, than the moves being made should reflect that type of philosophy. So that should not be the quick fix moves that are more style than substance. And personally, I am okay with that. I want to see a team that gives a damn

[BobbieL]

Popovich moving to the Front Office. One of the all time greats to be sure. Granted, didn't like the Spurs always beating the Suns. Granted with his health issues lately, I think he is 76.. probably the right move. Enjoy it Coach Pop!

Malone - my guess he is the front runner but who knows
Jenkins
Hammons

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[Saberestar]

Brian Gregory as a GM and Oronde Taliaferro as assistant GM could be a great duo for player development and find young talent than could help us now and in the future.

Taliaferro is an specialist in player personnel and college player evaluation. He has held NBA scouting roles for the past 15 years, working with the Brooklyn Nets and Detroit Pistons.

I think that are gonna try to get younger via draft and trades.

[BobbieL]

Brian Gregory as a GM and Oronde Taliaferro as assistant GM could be a great duo for player development and find young talent than could help us now and in the future.

Taliaferro is an specialist in player personnel and college player evaluation. He has held NBA scouting roles for the past 15 years, working with the Brooklyn Nets and Detroit Pistons.

I think that are gonna try to get younger via draft and trades.

If that is the thought process of how they proceed - plus hiring a young coach - I like the thought process. I will need to see it to believe it.

But I hope this is the direction of the team. I tihnk if they are truly building around Booker - try to identity what worked during the good few years under Monty. I get they won't find an Ayton or Bridges or CP3 but philosophically - build around Booker with the right type of players.

After this year and even last year - to see a younger team, more athletic, more hungry if you will - I think will be better to watch. This year was not fun to watch. Also might re-energize Booker a bit

[Saberestar]

Brian Gregory as a GM and Oronde Taliaferro as assistant GM could be a great duo for player development and find young talent than could help us now and in the future.

Taliaferro is an specialist in player personnel and college player evaluation. He has held NBA scouting roles for the past 15 years, working with the Brooklyn Nets and Detroit Pistons.

I think that are gonna try to get younger via draft and trades.

If that is the thought process of how they proceed - plus hiring a young coach - I like the thought process. I will need to see it to believe it.

But I hope this is the direction of the team. I tihnk if they are truly building around Booker - try to identity what worked during the good few years under Monty. I get they won't find an Ayton or Bridges or CP3 but philosophically - build around Booker with the right type of players.

After this year and even last year - to see a younger team, more athletic, more hungry if you will - I think will be better to watch. This year was not fun to watch. Also might re-energize Booker a bit

I think that we are gonna have a mix of veterans and youngsters but we are gonna try to win every single game. We are gonna retool but with a younger roster.

Probably we get a second FRP for the 2025 draft via trade.

[BobbieL]

Brian Gregory as a GM and Oronde Taliaferro as assistant GM could be a great duo for player development and find young talent than could help us now and in the future.

Taliaferro is an specialist in player personnel and college player evaluation. He has held NBA scouting roles for the past 15 years, working with the Brooklyn Nets and Detroit Pistons.

I think that are gonna try to get younger via draft and trades.

If that is the thought process of how they proceed - plus hiring a young coach - I like the thought process. I will need to see it to believe it.

But I hope this is the direction of the team. I tihnk if they are truly building around Booker - try to identity what worked during the good few years under Monty. I get they won't find an Ayton or Bridges or CP3 but philosophically - build around Booker with the right type of players.

After this year and even last year - to see a younger team, more athletic, more hungry if you will - I think will be better to watch. This year was not fun to watch. Also might re-energize Booker a bit

I think that we are gonna have a mix of veterans and youngsters but we are gonna try to win every single game. We are gonna retool but with a younger roster.

Probably we get a second FRP for the 2025 draft via trade.

I understand there will need to be a mix of youngsters and veterans. Kind of hoping Gillespie is brought back. My hope though is the youngsters are from a Durant trade (mixed with older expirings to make the math work) , along with than signing veteran min players to round out the roster. I think the Suns have some cap issues that are going to take a couple years to fix.

What will happen to Bradley Beal? Be nice if Gambo broke that story - like BREAK a story about something big and just not "nope, not an option for the team". Maybe the Bulls or Heat will surprise and take a FRP for Beal - even if that means PWill - he is only 24 -- potential abounds.

[Frank Lee]

Not biting Bobby…. Not going to comment on a Beal so you and ghost can grabAzz each other for 7-8 posts about the only obvious solution or the ridiculous trades ‘that you never know what might happen , man’.

Just spare us all the Fn lectures

[BobbieL]

Not biting Bobby…. Not going to comment on a Beal so you and ghost can grabAzz each other for 7-8 posts about the only obvious solution or the ridiculous trades ‘that you never know what might happen , man’.

Just spare us all the Fn lectures

And who are you?

Seriously - I have read your s**t and you are like all of us - just blowing smoke about sports
don't take yourself so seriously like you are some genius
newsflash - you aren't.

[grumpysaddle]

Why trade off all your draft assets, then hire people specialized in drafting and college player evaluation? That is what is head scratching, but I'd expect nothing less with Ishbia's short history of NBA team-owning.

[Frank Lee]

Not biting Bobby…. Not going to comment on a Beal so you and ghost can grabAzz each other for 7-8 posts about the only obvious solution or the ridiculous trades ‘that you never know what might happen , man’.

Just spare us all the Fn lectures

And who are you?

Seriously - I have read your s**t and you are like all of us - just blowing smoke about sports
don't take yourself so seriously like you are some genius
newsflash - you aren't.

It’s all about quantity dude. How many times you and your blow hard partner going to tell us what the smart thing to do with Beal is?. Fn trolls. I swear one of you might as well be a bot.