Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

ShawnBronald · Post #1381 » by **ShawnBronald** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 5:49 pm

phx#7 · Post #1382 » by **phx#7** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 5:49 pm

Hesh wrote:The "not trading jackson for a proven all star" talk on the main board is hilarious. Cavs fans are really giving it to us for "overvaluing" a non-proven prospect, but hey.. all is forgiven if we can allow them to have him

The all-star talk amuses me. I'd love to trade them Bledsoe and an unprotected Suns first with the following conditions:

If Kyrie doesn't make the all-star team the pick turns to the Miami first. And if he doesn't but Bledsoe does they get no pick.

TeamTragic · Post #1383 » by **TeamTragic** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 5:54 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:

Read on Twitter

Pretty much means that deal was floated. I don't think McD would trade Bender. We just needed to gauge the trade market.

YouTube · Post #1384 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:01 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I would think the Cavs would prefer Chriss over Bender since Chriss seems more ready to help them.

I find the Kyrie trade thread in the GB very comical. I don't understand how some of the Cavs fans are saying the Suns won't get Irving without Jackson or Booker, they got better offers out there. Literally, no team is offering jack squat for Kyrie. You take the best deal available or you go into the season with a disgruntled star. Going into the season with a disgruntled star could easily create a domino effect where the locker room is divided, said star behaves poorly and parties every night. Possibly risk another injury. Yeah, it's far fetched but playing on a basketball team that is divided is not fun, there is a lot of tension and that friction will break the team apart.

Part of me wants to trade for Irving just so we can see what value was returned for him, and then part of me wants to sit back and enjoy the popcorn and watch the Cavs fall apart.

I disagree. I think they go after who the believe has the most future potential. Out of Chriss or Bender that would be Bender.

They would be giving up 1 major piece (Irving) and are looking at filling that spot with Bledsoe. The rest of the trade is to make up for the value difference between Irving and Bledsoe, or more accurately Clevelands perception of Irvings value. They want to cover their ass when Lebron leaves next year, which im starting to believe more and more is a forgone conclusion.

As for the "Offers" made Cleveland fans feel are better, its all BS. Its speculation. No one knows whats really been offered. I read one guy on the GB state that if we wernt willing to give up Jackson than they will move on to the other 6 teams that are bidding on Irving. I just laughed. Where did 6 teams come from all of a sudden? From what ive read (and ive read a lot) damn near every team did call. Cool, thats normal for a disgruntled star. But its not like those talks went anywhere. So its Us, Denver, Wolves....and who else? Clevelands own reporter Amico said the Miami talks never went anywhere, and really, what were they really going to offer that could beat ours? They have no tradeable draft pick, which as we know from Cleveland fans is a MUST! So what other teams have been linked to Irving? Yeah, exactly. So We arnt willing to part with Jackson. Denver isnt willing to part with Murray. Wolves arnt willing to part with Wiggans (So much so they are trying to re-sign him as we speak). Take all those players out of the equation and we are still the team that can make the best offer.

Just sit back and wait till Cleveland comes off their high horse.

Post #1385 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:07 pm

I want Bender to stay more than Chriss is all. I think Bender is an unselfish player and would be a perfect fit for a 4th wheel to a Irving/Booker/Jackson trio.

AtheJ415 · Post #1386 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:07 pm

phx#7 wrote:
Hesh wrote:The "not trading jackson for a proven all star" talk on the main board is hilarious. Cavs fans are really giving it to us for "overvaluing" a non-proven prospect, but hey.. all is forgiven if we can allow them to have him

The all-star talk amuses me. I'd love to trade them Bledsoe and an unprotected Suns first with the following conditions:

If Kyrie doesn't make the all-star team the pick turns to the Miami first. And if he doesn't but Bledsoe does they get no pick.

Not to mention the "picks are unproven, get the all-star" argument is basically the argument for the Knight trade (proven, near all-star who was a former high pick for a future pick).

starbosa10 · Post #1387 » by **starbosa10** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:08 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I would think the Cavs would prefer Chriss over Bender since Chriss seems more ready to help them.

I find the Kyrie trade thread in the GB very comical. I don't understand how some of the Cavs fans are saying the Suns won't get Irving without Jackson or Booker, they got better offers out there. Literally, no team is offering jack squat for Kyrie. You take the best deal available or you go into the season with a disgruntled star. Going into the season with a disgruntled star could easily create a domino effect where the locker room is divided, said star behaves poorly and parties every night. Possibly risk another injury. Yeah, it's far fetched but playing on a basketball team that is divided is not fun, there is a lot of tension and that friction will break the team apart.

Part of me wants to trade for Irving just so we can see what value was returned for him, and then part of me wants to sit back and enjoy the popcorn and watch the Cavs fall apart.

I disagree. I think they go after who the believe has the most future potential. Out of Chriss or Bender that would be Bender.

They would be giving up 1 major piece (Irving) and are looking at filling that spot with Bledsoe. The rest of the trade is to make up for the value difference between Irving and Bledsoe, or more accurately Clevelands perception of Irvings value. They want to cover their ass when Lebron leaves next year, which im starting to believe more and more is a forgone conclusion.

As for the "Offers" made Cleveland fans feel are better, its all BS. Its speculation. No one knows whats really been offered. I read one guy on the GB state that if we wernt willing to give up Jackson than they will move on to the other 6 teams that are bidding on Irving. I just laughed. Where did 6 teams come from all of a sudden? From what ive read (and ive read a lot) damn near every team did call. Cool, thats normal for a disgruntled star. But its not like those talks went anywhere. So its Us, Denver, Wolves....and who else? Clevelands own reporter Amico said the Miami talks never went anywhere, and really, what were they really going to offer that could beat ours? They have no tradeable draft pick, which as we know from Cleveland fans is a MUST! So what other teams have been linked to Irving? Yeah, exactly. So We arnt willing to part with Jackson. Denver isnt willing to part with Murray. Wolves arnt willing to part with Wiggans (So much so they are trying to re-sign him as we speak). Take all those players out of the equation and we are still the team that can make the best offer.

Just sit back and wait till Cleveland comes off their high horse.

best part is half those "Cleveland" fans will be gone after this season

TOO · Post #1388 » by **TOO** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:13 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I want Bender to stay more than Chriss is all. I think Bender is an unselfish player and would be a perfect fit for a 4th wheel to a Irving/Booker/Jackson trio.

I agree. I'd prefer to keep Bender because of his feel on both ends, but I'm not a huge fan of either, so the Cavs can take their choice and I wont be bothered.

bwoolf2 · Post #1389 » by **bwoolf2** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:14 pm

The longer this goes on I just don't want this trade to go down, I would rather just roll with what we have. The only trade I would be interested in at this point is Bledsoe and nothing else in a 3 team with Frank N. and a 1st coming back. We have come this far lets roll the dice with what we are building and wait one more year before making any big moves. Just not a fan of trading assets for PG's its the by far the easiest position to replace in the NBA.

YouTube · Post #1390 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:18 pm

bwoolf2 wrote:The longer this goes on I just don't want this trade to go down, I would rather just roll with what we have. The only trade I would be interested in at this point is Bledsoe and nothing else in a 3 team with Frank N. and a 1st coming back. We have come this far lets roll the dice with what we are building and wait one more year before making any big moves. Just not a fan of trading assets for PG's its the by far the easiest position to replace in the NBA.

You arnt getting Frank and a 1st for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe could barely net us a late lotto 1st by himself when we tried around draft time, now you expect us to end up with what was the #8 pick and another one on top of that? You're aiming to high.

Post #1391 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:19 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:

Read on Twitter

BobbieL · Post #1392 » by **BobbieL** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:26 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
ShawnBronald wrote:

Read on Twitter

Sustitute Chriss for Bender and the deal is the deal

take it or leave it Cleveland

if you want the second rounder from Toronto, fine.

Elijah Millsap - fine

Post #1393 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:34 pm

Reading this thread every day is like being in the movie Groundhog Day.

BobbieL · Post #1394 » by **BobbieL** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 6:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Reading this thread every day is like being in the movie Groundhog Day.

So true

Darn Windhorst. The Summer was moving along fine with no news and two weeks ago today, he sent out the tweet about Kyrie. 150 pages later - still basically where we were at two weeks ago.

Pretty much if one were to look at trades being offered on this board to today - same players involved I am guessing

I am torn - part of me wants Kyrie for the right price - but more of me wants Bledsoe for Frank N and expiring deals

Saberestar · Post #1395 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:06 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1396 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:26 pm

matt131 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but so far he has said Miami talks went nowhere, and talks with the Suns have been "getting traction" and are "serious" in that sense. Says he believes and the Cavs beleive they (the Cavs) have the upper hand and "hold the cards" because they have the piece everyone wants (Irving) and they don't have to trade him.

They want young guy and first round pick.

Three realistic spots:
1) PHX - Cavs and Suns have been pretty deep into talks (Bledsoe and Paul and James Jones connections cited). Says we want Irving because we "do not draw flies" and we need fans in seats. Thinks this is the number one spot. Thinks we give up Josh, Bledsoe, AND a first round pick. He think we are a "late lottery team" with Irving. HA! Thinks Cavs would also be open to Bled/Warren/Chriss/First rounder. Apparently they REALLY want the pick
2) Wolves - apparently he says the TWolves have a "love" for Irving.
3) Kings - Fox and draft picks

Thinks this situation could go all the way to training camp. He thinks unless a deal "knocks their socks off", Cavs will not trade him.

He says no way Knicks get him. Doesn't seem like Cavs want Melo (other than LeBron).

A GM told him a surprise team like Philly might jump out as the favorite.

So honestly, no on knows anything

Even though Amico isn't credible, I won't be surprised if the bolded happens. Something like when the Thunder suddenly traded for George. I can't see it being Philly, but perhaps someone else (though I can't see where right now..If Cleveland liked Elfrid Payton or if he could shoot that might make sense in a package Ross, Vucevic and picks or soemthing). I still also think Denver could be lurking. I'm not sure why the Melo fit doesn't work or why Melo doesn't want to go...though I guess there are conflicting reports.

Does Melo really want to stay in NY? He may want to go to Houston, but that doesn't look like a possibility.

In2ition · Post #1397 » by **In2ition** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:33 pm

phx#7 wrote:
Hesh wrote:The "not trading jackson for a proven all star" talk on the main board is hilarious. Cavs fans are really giving it to us for "overvaluing" a non-proven prospect, but hey.. all is forgiven if we can allow them to have him

The all-star talk amuses me. I'd love to trade them Bledsoe and an unprotected Suns first with the following conditions:

If Kyrie doesn't make the all-star team the pick turns to the Miami first. And if he doesn't but Bledsoe does they get no pick.

I like that stipulation.

alamin330 · Post #1398 » by **alamin330** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:34 pm

I don't get the frank N love. He's slow with no handles. I don't think he will ever be as good as Bledsoe. And why help another team get the best player of the trade while losing the 2nd best player in the trade? That makes no sense. How many projects do y'all want? Suns will never make it anywhere if you keep wanting rookies

RaisingArizona · Post #1399 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:46 pm

I like Bender but I'd rather trade him over Chriss, I think. Tough call if it comes down to it.

Puff · Post #1400 » by **Puff** » Fri Aug 4, 2017 7:46 pm

OK - I am worn out with all the Kyrie trade discussion. If it happens it happens, I just hope we do not give up the farm.

Let's dream a bit.

1. We do not make the trade for Kyrie or anyone else and stand pat.
2. We keep all of our current assets as well as draft picks.
3. We show great improvement with 35+ wins.
4. We still are able to grab one of the many bigs available next summer.
5. Cleveland crashes and burns. Kyrie, Rose and Love all go down with injury. (I don't wish it, but it could happen)
6. Lebron decides that Phoenix is his best chance to win a championship next summer and signs with us.

I know LA seems to be Lebron's next landing spot unless something dramatically happens in Cleveland. However to unite with Bledsoe might be enough. Hell Dwayne Wade may even join him for the league minimum.