The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[bwgood77]

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So we really gonna have Monte starting huh?

No

[Saberestar]

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I love his defense and his intensity, great guy to have on your bench.

[Saberestar]

Is Damion Lee a ball handler?

If Morris gets injured we're probably worse than last year.

Beal/Monte/Gillespie.

That’s our 3-man rotation at PG for now and I think it's fine. Booker and Allen can help them too.

Roddy will play in Summer League and Gillespie will not be there because he is "too good" for that (look at his stats in the G-League).

Gillespie can have an standard roster spot if he plays well during the season. He looks better than your average two-way contract.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/07/09/nba-free-agency-best-available-players-rumors/74342636007/

Best free agents available

PG Tyus Jones
SG Gary Trent Jr.
SF Saddiq Bey
PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SF Gordon Hayward
SF Isaac Okoro
C Paul Reed............N/A
C Precious Achiuwa
SG Lonnie Walker
PG Kyle Lowry
SF Robert Covington
PG Dennis Smith Jr

So IF these are the best remaining unsigned free agents, which one or two would/ should we aggressively target with our last roster spot? Which two should we target if we waive Roddy and don't bring back Okogie (redundant with Dunn) and really, would only be useful as a larger salary trade asset due to us being able to offer him around 12 million for potential salary matching in trades.

I think for my part, I'd choose to decline Roddy, not bring back Okogie in order to open up two final roster spots?

[Mulhollanddrive]

We were 3rd in net rating for 3 quarters.

Morris runs the bench for 5 mins and then the big 3 have to know how to win in the clutch.

[dremill24]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/07/09/nba-free-agency-best-available-players-rumors/74342636007/

Best free agents available

PG Tyus Jones
SG Gary Trent Jr.
SF Saddiq Bey
PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SF Gordon Hayward
SF Isaac Okoro
C Paul Reed............N/A
C Precious Achiuwa
SG Lonnie Walker
PG Kyle Lowry
SF Robert Covington
PG Dennis Smith Jr

So IF these are the best remaining unsigned free agents, which one or two would/ should we aggressively target with our last roster spot? Which two should we target if we waive Roddy and don't bring back Okogie (redundant with Dunn) and really, would only be useful as a larger salary trade asset due to us being able to offer him around 12 million for potential salary matching in trades.

I think for my part, I'd choose to decline Roddy, not bring back Okogie in order to open up two final roster spots?

Roddy is under contract so you can't 'decline' him. You could cut him or trade him but he's on the books.

And Bey, Lowry, Reed are all off the board

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[kennydorglas]

Ehhhh not sure what to think about this one.
I like him but not seeing where he plays at all.

[Saberestar]

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That's more money than I expected but that second year as a team option gives us huge flexibility for potential trades.

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[garrick]

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That's a wild overpay for a player that hasn't gotten any serious offers anywhere else.

Is the second year a team option?

EDIT: ok I read that second year is non guaranteed. Still not a good signing but not as bad as guaranteed for 2 years.

Also screw Klutch sports, I bet they lied about other teams having significant interest.

[dremill24]

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That's a wild overpay for a player that hasn't gotten any serious offers anywhere else.

Is the second year a team option?

EDIT: ok I read that second year is non guaranteed. Still not a good signing but not as bad as guaranteed for 2 years.

Also screw Klutch sports, I bet they lied about other teams having significant interest.

I kinda doubt the reason that the salary is that high because other teams were offering that much. The Suns have motivation to pay a higher salary so that hes tradeable and it probably has to be high enough above market value for Josh to want to enter into a contract basically just to be traded.

[Blonde]

Better to have an $8 million trade chip in Okogie than anyone who was available for a minimum. But if we don’t trade him then this is bad bad. Half of the roster can’t shoot 3s and we already shot far too few last season.

[TASTIC]

Saddiq Bey to WAS for 3/$20m is a STEAL, that dude is legit good.

Okogie - I'm ok with it though the amount is prob $2-3m higher than you'd expect. He's basically keeping Dunn's seat warm though and the contract isn't half as bad as it looks with that non-guaranteed 2nd year.

Because of the apron business we're unable to combine salaries though right? So better to have those mid-higher deals if we're going hunting mid-season

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Unsure what the exact amount is for Okogie for the first year, but if it's just $8 million per year, there are a few players in the NBA that make roughly the same amount of money (or less).
Jock Landale, Trey Lyles, Goga Bitadze, Dean Wade, Jevon Carter, Nick Richards, Reggie Jackson. The number of players that Okogie can be traded for goes up significantly if for instance Okogie is getting around the mid-level exception of around $11 million, and perhaps his 2nd year is worth only $5 million. Though I think the most money a team can give a player in a multi-year deal where the contract gives the player less money as the years go on is 8% annually (could be wrong). If that is the case, then perhaps Okogie is getting $8.3 million this year and then the 2nd year being non-guaranteed is $7.7 million. The number of players that make slightly above $8 million isn't very many, though Cody Martin of the Hornets is getting $8.12 million, and I remember James Jones wanting him a couple seasons ago.

[KdoubleDees23]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/07/09/nba-free-agency-best-available-players-rumors/74342636007/

Best free agents available

PG Tyus Jones
SG Gary Trent Jr.
SF Saddiq Bey
PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SF Gordon Hayward
SF Isaac Okoro
C Paul Reed............N/A
C Precious Achiuwa
SG Lonnie Walker
PG Kyle Lowry
SF Robert Covington
PG Dennis Smith Jr

So IF these are the best remaining unsigned free agents, which one or two would/ should we aggressively target with our last roster spot? Which two should we target if we waive Roddy and don't bring back Okogie (redundant with Dunn) and really, would only be useful as a larger salary trade asset due to us being able to offer him around 12 million for potential salary matching in trades.

I think for my part, I'd choose to decline Roddy, not bring back Okogie in order to open up two final roster spots?

Paul Reed got picked up I thought.

Order I want

Tyus Jones (we cant do it, but this would make us a contender)
DSJ (he is my #2)
Covington or Okoro #3

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I kinda doubt the reason that the salary is that high because other teams were offering that much. The Suns have motivation to pay a higher salary so that hes tradeable and it probably has to be high enough above market value for Josh to want to enter into a contract basically just to be traded.

Agree about other teams not offering Okogie much. I don't agree with the Suns having to pay him high enough for him to want to enter a contract with the Suns though just to be traded.
If a company wanted to offer me $3-5 million more than what I was expecting to make because there was a high probability that I was moved to a different location, I'm not going to argue and I'd happily accept the money.

Unless I got moved to Detroit... then I'd lowkey be kind of pissed.

[dremill24]

I kinda doubt the reason that the salary is that high because other teams were offering that much. The Suns have motivation to pay a higher salary so that hes tradeable and it probably has to be high enough above market value for Josh to want to enter into a contract basically just to be traded.

Agree about other teams not offering Okogie much. I don't agree with the Suns having to pay him high enough for him to want to enter a contract with the Suns though just to be traded.
If a company wanted to offer me $3-5 million more than what I was expecting to make because there was a high probability that I was moved to a different location, I'm not going to argue and I'd happily accept the money.

Unless I got moved to Detroit... then I'd lowkey be kind of pissed.

Well a minimum is pushing $3mil and he got $8mil so... thats basically what he did

[Frank Lee]

We were 3rd in net rating for 3 quarters.

Morris runs the bench for 5 mins and then the big 3 have to know how to win in the clutch.

Yup
All they gotta do is treat every 4 quarter
like game 7






…..Oh wait

[garrick]

Saddiq Bey to WAS for 3/$20m is a STEAL, that dude is legit good.

Okogie - I'm ok with it though the amount is prob $2-3m higher than you'd expect. He's basically keeping Dunn's seat warm though and the contract isn't half as bad as it looks with that non-guaranteed 2nd year.

Because of the apron business we're unable to combine salaries though right? So better to have those mid-higher deals if we're going hunting mid-season

In theory yes but a team has to think Okogie on 8M is actually worth it.

I think a 2 year 10M deal would have been on par for what other veterans were getting but I guess the thinking is we can't take any less in salary so it was better to put Okogie on the high side?

Kind of a gamble though and not sure if I like it.

[dremill24]

Saddiq Bey to WAS for 3/$20m is a STEAL, that dude is legit good.

Okogie - I'm ok with it though the amount is prob $2-3m higher than you'd expect. He's basically keeping Dunn's seat warm though and the contract isn't half as bad as it looks with that non-guaranteed 2nd year.

Because of the apron business we're unable to combine salaries though right? So better to have those mid-higher deals if we're going hunting mid-season

In theory yes but a team has to think Okogie on 8M is actually worth it.

I think a 2 year 10M deal would have been on par for what other veterans were getting but I guess the thinking is we can't take any less in salary so it was better to put Okogie on the high side?

Kind of a gamble though and not sure if I like it.

Nobody is trading for Okogie at $8mil on his own. He's just a vehicle to get draft compensation and/or long term salary savings. So Id say a team doesn't have to really think he's worth it at that salary.

Problem is...not a whole lotta draft capital to sweeten a deal lol