The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

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The more I've looked into Vassell the more I get why he's been included in these potential packages. I think he's kind of overrated, especially at his salary level. He's had solid counting stats the previous 2 years and this season he's had a bit of a down year but he's also never been very efficient, defensively he does leave a fair bit on the table and not only does he play a similar position as Book (wing scorer), I just don't think he's a good complement to Book either.

He's also turning 25 so he's at the front end of his prime and I see a solid but unremarkable starting wing. Which isn't bad but at around $27m a year salary, I think he could become overpaid if he doesn't get much better and likely to be misused or underutilised next to Book.

Sochan I'm a little more high on because he's just turned 22 and he's a versatile player and has some Draymond-esque value as a do it all kind of small 4-5. I'm just a bit worried about how much he's going to make with an extension.

Vassell would certainly need to be a vehicle to get something else from a 3rd team.

Also weird thought that crossed my mind: if SA is willing to give up Sochan then that might mean we shouldnt want him

I think they are worried with him being extension eligible and the fact that he hasn't really broken out yet as a particular mould of player. I remember last season they were kind of trying to force him to play PG, partially to aid in their tanking efforts but also to see if he can become a point forward type of player. But he also doesn't really shoot 3's, he can't really create his own shot and while his efficiency has seen good improvements, I kind of feel like no one really knows which way he should take his player development.

[Mulhollanddrive]

What an underwhelming package.

Those guys won 34 games with Wembayama and Paul.

Thats Ryan McDonough era-esque and we arent even getting TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe level talent from them.

[lilfishi22]

I still think Rockets could offer the best package because they have more intriguing players and better picks (ours)

[bullsaficianado]

What an underwhelming package.

Those guys won 34 games with Wembayama and Paul.

We won 36 games last year with Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal.

[TeamTragic]

What an underwhelming package.

Those guys won 34 games with Wembayama and Paul.

We won 36 games last year with Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal.

Dude has short term memory loss

[Blonde]

If I was a Rockets fan I would have no interest in KD unless it was dirt cheap.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Thats the point you are trading Durant for a 34-36 win team's version of Dunn, Allen, O'Neale

[Ghost of Kleine]

The more I've looked into Vassell the more I get why he's been included in these potential packages. I think he's kind of overrated, especially at his salary level. He's had solid counting stats the previous 2 years and this season he's had a bit of a down year but he's also never been very efficient, defensively he does leave a fair bit on the table and not only does he play a similar position as Book (wing scorer), I just don't think he's a good complement to Book either.

He's also turning 25 so he's at the front end of his prime and I see a solid but unremarkable starting wing. Which isn't bad but at around $27m a year salary, I think he could become overpaid if he doesn't get much better and likely to be misused or underutilised next to Book.

Sochan I'm a little more high on because he's just turned 22 and he's a versatile player and has some Draymond-esque value as a do it all kind of small 4-5. I'm just a bit worried about how much he's going to make with an extension.

Vassell would certainly need to be a vehicle to get something else from a 3rd team.

Also weird thought that crossed my mind: if SA is willing to give up Sochan then that might mean we shouldnt want him

I think they are worried with him being extension eligible and the fact that he hasn't really broken out yet as a particular mould of player. I remember last season they were kind of trying to force him to play PG, partially to aid in their tanking efforts but also to see if he can become a point forward type of player. But he also doesn't really shoot 3's, he can't really create his own shot and while his efficiency has seen good improvements, I kind of feel like no one really knows which way he should take his player development.

Unfortunately he'd need to be a large scale salary filler in a Spurs trade just so San Antonio can maintain a modicum of flexibility post trade. But as I've frequently mentioned, you accept Vassell with the intention of reading him elsewhere.

As in I'd it's true that this framework has been in the works for a bit now behind the scenes, then our front office should be exploring potential destinations for Vassell to return other players, expirings, assets??

[garrick]

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I would be surprised if he had to take the vet min as some team will definitely take a flyer on him and sign him cheap but nowhere near as low as the vet min.

[Mr Puddles]

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I would be surprised if he had to take the vet min as some team will definitely take a flyer on him and sign him cheap but nowhere near as low as the vet min.

I don't think we'll be a hotbed for free agent PGs willing to take discounts after the Tyus Jones experiment.

I actual think we'll have better luck going after a guy like Precious and offering him a minutes guarantee for taking a pay cut. Dude was buried on the bench in NY and would have been our best big.

[lilfishi22]

Vassell would certainly need to be a vehicle to get something else from a 3rd team.

Also weird thought that crossed my mind: if SA is willing to give up Sochan then that might mean we shouldnt want him

I think they are worried with him being extension eligible and the fact that he hasn't really broken out yet as a particular mould of player. I remember last season they were kind of trying to force him to play PG, partially to aid in their tanking efforts but also to see if he can become a point forward type of player. But he also doesn't really shoot 3's, he can't really create his own shot and while his efficiency has seen good improvements, I kind of feel like no one really knows which way he should take his player development.

Unfortunately he'd need to be a large scale salary filler in a Spurs trade just so San Antonio can maintain a modicum of flexibility post trade. But as I've frequently mentioned, you accept Vassell with the intention of reading him elsewhere.

As in I'd it's true that this framework has been in the works for a bit now behind the scenes, then our front office should be exploring potential destinations for Vassell to return other players, expirings, assets??

My priority would be to get back players that I actually want to keep in a trade. The idea that we'll trade for Vassell as the key asset in a package only to move him is fraught with risk imo. What if we just misjudge Vassell's value and the trade packages just aren't great and now we now have player on the roster that we don't really want that he knows we tried to move him onto a 3rd team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I would be surprised if he had to take the vet min as some team will definitely take a flyer on him and sign him cheap but nowhere near as low as the vet min.

I don't think we'll be a hotbed for free agent PGs willing to take discounts after the Tyus Jones experiment.

I actual think we'll have better luck going after a guy like Precious and offering him a minutes guarantee for taking a pay cut. Dude was buried on the bench in NY and would have been our best big.

Achiuwa would be great and a steal for us if our front office could actually pull it off.

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[thamadkant]

Spurs offering meh players like Sochan, Vassell better mean 4 First Rounders are included....nothing less.
These 2 are rotation players but NO WAY near KD.

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The more I've looked into Vassell the more I get why he's been included in these potential packages. I think he's kind of overrated, especially at his salary level. He's had solid counting stats the previous 2 years and this season he's had a bit of a down year but he's also never been very efficient, defensively he does leave a fair bit on the table and not only does he play a similar position as Book (wing scorer), I just don't think he's a good complement to Book either.

He's also turning 25 so he's at the front end of his prime and I see a solid but unremarkable starting wing. Which isn't bad but at around $27m a year salary, I think he could become overpaid if he doesn't get much better and likely to be misused or underutilised next to Book.

Sochan I'm a little more high on because he's just turned 22 and he's a versatile player and has some Draymond-esque value as a do it all kind of small 4-5. I'm just a bit worried about how much he's going to make with an extension.

Vassel is not a game changer. He's overpaid for what he brings. He isnt elite at shooting nor defense. I would prefer Pacers bench shooting guards, as those players are pretty good defenders.

Sochan is a smaller less athletic Kuzma at best. He's not going to start for many teams but a good 6th man type forward.

The Spurs offer is not good, again, unless 4 first Rounders no protection, including Pick 14 this year is included.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think they are worried with him being extension eligible and the fact that he hasn't really broken out yet as a particular mould of player. I remember last season they were kind of trying to force him to play PG, partially to aid in their tanking efforts but also to see if he can become a point forward type of player. But he also doesn't really shoot 3's, he can't really create his own shot and while his efficiency has seen good improvements, I kind of feel like no one really knows which way he should take his player development.

Unfortunately he'd need to be a large scale salary filler in a Spurs trade just so San Antonio can maintain a modicum of flexibility post trade. But as I've frequently mentioned, you accept Vassell with the intention of reading him elsewhere.

As in I'd it's true that this framework has been in the works for a bit now behind the scenes, then our front office should be exploring potential destinations for Vassell to return other players, expirings, assets??

My priority would be to get back players that I actually want to keep in a trade. The idea that we'll trade for Vassell as the key asset in a package only to move him is fraught with risk imo. What if we just misjudge Vassell's value and the trade packages just aren't great and now we now have player on the roster that we don't really want that he knows we tried to move him onto a 3rd team.

That's a reasonable line of thinking man. But what else do the Spurs have to offer inclusionary wise for salary matching? Would you rather have Johnson instead? If they eat more salary instead of sending back an equitable amount, then that'll likely reduce our level of picks included too.

I mention trading Vassell because we've already experienced redundancy and it didn't serve us well. Vassell is prefer redundant (positionally) to what we have with Booker, Allen, Beal. And that's a whole lot of unnecessary money tied up in a singular position.

Moving Vassell to another team shouldn't truly be that difficult. And at worst should/ could return players or expirings at other positions. And possibly a decent pick or two. We're just not a team that really needs yet another SG. And especially not one at the price of 27 million.

Value being subjective and an " eye of the beholder" situation, there'll be teams that could have interest in him for sure. And personally I'd rather have a more balanced roster than continual positional redundancy.

[lilfishi22]

Unfortunately he'd need to be a large scale salary filler in a Spurs trade just so San Antonio can maintain a modicum of flexibility post trade. But as I've frequently mentioned, you accept Vassell with the intention of reading him elsewhere.

As in I'd it's true that this framework has been in the works for a bit now behind the scenes, then our front office should be exploring potential destinations for Vassell to return other players, expirings, assets??

My priority would be to get back players that I actually want to keep in a trade. The idea that we'll trade for Vassell as the key asset in a package only to move him is fraught with risk imo. What if we just misjudge Vassell's value and the trade packages just aren't great and now we now have player on the roster that we don't really want that he knows we tried to move him onto a 3rd team.

That's a reasonable line of thinking man. But what else do the Spurs have to offer inclusionary wise for salary matching? Would you rather have Johnson instead? If they eat more salary instead of sending back an equitable amount, then that'll likely reduce our level of picks included too.

I mention trading Vassell because we've already experienced redundancy and it didn't serve us well. Vassell is prefer redundant (positionally) to what we have with Booker, Allen, Beal. And that's a whole lot of unnecessary money tied up in a singular position.

Moving Vassell to another team shouldn't truly be that difficult. And at worst should/ could return players or expirings at other positions. And possibly a decent pick or two. We're just not a team that really needs yet another SG. And especially not one at the price of 27 million.

Value being subjective and an " eye of the beholder" situation, there'll be teams that could have interest in him for sure. And personally I'd rather have a more balanced roster than continual positional redundancy.

Just makes me less attracted to San Antonio as a trade partner for me. I think I'd want 2 good FRP's from the Spurs if the package is built around Vassell

[Saberestar]

KD doesn't want to go to the Northern Syrup State. He is sticking to the teams he wants. He won't go to Toronto so stop this nonsense

You don't know where he wants to play or doesn't want to play so there is that.

The Raptors are interested in him and the rumor around the league is that they would trade for him even for only one year.

Nobody knows what he's thinking but you could make a pretty good logical assumption he doesn't want to spend a year on another team that missed playoffs. He's more likely going to prioritise a team he can see himself winning on

Gambo couldn't rule out Toronto or Atlanta and he said that it's interesting that KD is so quiet with everything that has been said about his possible destinations in the last week.

The Raptors has one of the best GMs in the league and he is capable of taking risks. He did it with Khawi and it was a great idea that ended with a championship.

The parity of the league is ridiculous nowadays and I would say that half of the teams in the league can be considered contenders next year. Who thought that the Pacers were contenders last summer? The Raptors can make a big leap next year.