2013 Draft Thread Part 3

[Cutter]

A 270 lb Adams with a nasty streak in 2 yrs would be worth the 5th pick..... No? Or would you rather have McCollum or Bennett... may be Len ? Hmmmmm

I'm leaning towards Adams at a top 10 pick to be honest.


Wouldnt mind trading Gortat for pick 10 to grab McCollum or Shabazz.... then grab Archie Goodwin at pick 30.

Len has potential but Adams has a mean streak.

Pick 5: Adams C
Pick 10: McCollum PG/SG
Pick 30: Goodwin SG

2014...
Pick 5: Randle PF / Parker SF / Wiggins SF


Suns are set for a decade and a bit.

Not bad. Not bad at all

[JMac1]

A 270 lb Adams with a nasty streak in 2 yrs would be worth the 5th pick..... No? Or would you rather have McCollum or Bennett... may be Len ? Hmmmmm

I'm leaning towards Adams at a top 10 pick to be honest.


Wouldnt mind trading Gortat for pick 10 to grab McCollum or Shabazz.... then grab Archie Goodwin at pick 30.

Len has potential but Adams has a mean streak.

Pick 5: Adams C
Pick 10: McCollum PG/SG
Pick 30: Goodwin SG

2014...
Pick 5: Randle PF / Parker SF / Wiggins SF


Suns are set for a decade and a bit.

Nah.... You don't take Adams at 5, you take Oladipo...then Zeller at 10 to play the 4.....or Mac and Zeller or Len and Shabazz, or Bennet and Shabazz...... or Len and McCollum

I am a no go on Adams, unless it is at 12.......maybe.

[Cutter]

Yeah, I love Adams in the teens. Think he would be great value in that range. Roy Hibbert was drafted at #17 and is the defensive heart and soul of a very good defensive Pacers team.

I could however see Adams creep up the board as we get closer to the draft.

[lilfishi22]

I'd be OK with Adams in the teens.

[Kerrsed]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

[DirtyDez]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

I like Dieng, Nogueira and Moose in the #30 range. We're taking a big man at some point...

[Kerrsed]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

I like Dieng, Nogueira and Moose in the #30 range. We're taking a big man at some point...

I agree with Dieng and Nogueira. I was more-so talking about the higher ranked C's in the draft. I think they are rated as high as they are due to their size more than their skills. Personally, i have other guys (Burke/Shabazz/McCollum/Franklin) ahead of Len/Zeller/Addams, ect.

I mean, passing up better/more talented players for someone like Len or Addams at #5 just isnt right to me. Even if we picked up another pick around #9 or #10, id rather use it on one of the players i mentioned over one of the C's. I'd rather have a defensive C that patrols the paint looking for rebounds and blocks rather than one who is more focused in on his offense. We can have plenty of other positions set up to do the scoring.

Personally, i'd love if we could walk away from the draft with McLemore #5(great shooter), Shabazz #10(great rim attacker), and Dieng #30(great paint defender).

Dragic/McLemore/Shabazz/Morris/Dieng

That line-up looks like we would have all our basis covered.

Give that starting 5 time to develop. If McLemore or Shabazz dont work out so great, hopefully we get a good enough 2014 pick to take Wiggins or Parker for our SF. If McLemore and Shabazz do fine, then we could look at drafting a PF like Randle or Gordon with our 2014 pick.

Also, i hope we get a chance to pick-up Grant Jerrett with our 2nd rounder. Dude was a great HS player that was heavily recruited, but got little playing time at Arizona due to a logjam at PF. He is really flying under the radar at this moment and will be an absolute steal.

[Revived]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

I understand what you mean...there aren't any Centers in this draft who can actually look at and say "Wow, this guy's game will transition to the NBA and he will be good".

Everyone is banking on the "potential" of these Centers.

[Kerrsed]

The Problems With Noel: For most of the last year, Nerlens Noel has held down the number one draft prospect spot, simply because there were no better options in front of him. As teams have started digging into Noel, he could be primed for a hefty draft day tumble. The easy way out on Noel is to point to his recovering ACL surgery, although most front office executives that would comment on it, repeated what’s being said publicly and that is that Noel’s knee appears to be healing fine and that he is on or ahead of schedule.

One source who has spent a lot of time on Noel said that he is actually a super smart basketball player with a high basketball IQ. The biggest problem with young bigs is getting them to adjust to the speed and complexity of the NBA game, especially as more and more teams institute complex scheme-based defenses. The read on Noel is that he should adjust to the NBA quickly as he absorbs complex basketball easily. Teams also like his instinctual versatility on defense, and that’s being able to guard the rim with both hands, going right or left. He also gets praise for his timing and his second and third jumps, good indicators of bounce and an aggressive rebounder’s mindset.

There are a couple of issues teams talked about when discussing Noel and that’s his slender frame and very slender lower body. Most talent evaluators look at shoulders, calves and ankles as areas for growth in strength and bulk and Noel grades low in all three, leading teams to wonder if his 206-pound combine measure is more about Noel’s limitations to put on weight and gain lower body strength necessary to be a starting center in the NBA.

There are also stories floating around about the “crowd” that’s in Noel’s life and that maybe they are going to be a problem at the next level. Every draft prospect ends up with a few money guys and hanger-ons, but the word is Noel’s specific group might have too much influence and there is concern that Noel’s development could get derailed by those influences.

All indications are that Noel is a good kid, with some questionable people in his life. Teams have their concerns and there was some serious doubt expressed by NBA executives that Noel could go No. 1 overall, in fact there was a sense he could see his stock tumble on draft night as teams drafting in the top three address real and immediate needs.

The McLemore Hype Is Real: In the last 48 hours, four NBA executives said they felt Ben McLemore could go No. 1 overall. The Cavaliers legitimately may select McLemore with the top overall pick, and if they trade the pick then that only increases the likelihood of McLemore being selected first overall. Some executives feel that McLemore has the most star potential in the draft. Executives were easily baited into the “Mock Draft Game” but most wouldn’t say much more than how they saw the draft playing out in the top five.

It’s hard to imagine how McLemore fits in Cleveland, unless the plan is simply to play small or to try and move Dion Waiters or McLemore to the small forward spot down the road.

McLemore tweeted yesterday that he landed in Orlando and will likely be meeting with the Orlando Magic today. McLemore has long been considered the best option for the Magic even when it was projected that they would land the top overall pick.

There is no doubting that NBA teams like Ben McLemore and that should do well for his stock.

Bennett Could Be Favorite For Rookie Of The Year: Anthony Bennett also has his fans. It’s commonly believed he’ll be headed to Phoenix unless the Wizards grab him at No. 3. One executive joked that if Bennett landed in Phoenix he might be the Rookie of the Year, pointing to the abundance of minutes he’d receive with the Suns and how effective he could be with that personnel.

Bennett is coming off a torn labrum in his shoulder, but all indications are that the injury is healing well and that he should get back to form pretty quickly.

The No. 1 And No. 2 Picks Could Be Had: Stop me if you have heard this one… draft picks are being shopped around.

This really isn’t news, but the truth is that both the Cleveland Cavaliers and Orlando Magic are open for business on their respective draft picks.

The Magic have been aggressively doing due diligence on dozens of players, but they are also looking at what else they can accomplish with their picks and their roster players. Magic GM Rob Hennigan was routinely hopping around the gym in Italy either on the phone or sitting with different executives throughout the workouts in Treviso. It was clear he was kicking the tires on everything he could, but it is interesting to note the Magic did spend time with Dallas, who is looking at moving their first round pick and possibly a roster player to gain additional cap space. Hennigan finished the tournament sitting with Utah’s Dennis Lindsey, and word is the Jazz have been exploring their options too.

The Magic were pretty forthcoming that they were still aggressively working so it’s unlikely that anything is real from the trip to Italy, but as the draft gets ever so closer don’t be surprised to see Orlando involved in a few things as there was a sense among the other executives that the No. 2 pick could be had.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-dr ... s-eurocamp

Some very interesting stuff in that article........

[Kerrsed]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

I understand what you mean...there aren't any Centers in this draft who can actually look at and say "Wow, this guy's game will transition to the NBA and he will be good".

Everyone is banking on the "potential" of these Centers.

Exactly! Specially when it comes to defense. I read that the guy doesnt have the skills, but with his size he could become a good defender. Alot of these top 15 centers give me flashbacks of when Andre Biedrins was coming into the league.

[Revived]

. I'd rather have a defensive C that patrols the paint looking for rebounds and blocks rather than one who is more focused in on his offense. We can have plenty of other positions set up to do the scoring.

Yea but if we had a C that's a scoring threat, the Suns would have an advantage over most teams in the league.

Most teams in the league don't have a C that is capable of being scoring threat or a C that can even defend an opposing center whose a scoring threat. If the Suns could get a C that can be a threat in the post offensively, other teams would have trouble matching up with us leading to double teams and open shooters on the wing.

Kinda like how the Pacers extended the series with Miami to 7 games and how the Spurs are beating the Heat right now. Duncan is playing a bigger role than people think.

Now, just like you, I have my doubts if there is a C in this draft that can be that scoring threat that I was talking about...

[Kerrsed]

. I'd rather have a defensive C that patrols the paint looking for rebounds and blocks rather than one who is more focused in on his offense. We can have plenty of other positions set up to do the scoring.

Yea but if we had a C that's a scoring threat, the Suns would have an advantage over most teams in the league.

Most teams in the league don't have a C that is capable of being scoring threat or a C that can even defend an opposing center whose a scoring threat. If the Suns could get a C that can be a threat in the post offensively, other teams would have trouble matching up with us leading to double teams and open shooters on the wing.

Kinda like how the Pacers extended the series with Miami to 7 games and how the Spurs are beating the Heat right now. Duncan is playing a bigger role than people think.

Now, just like you, I have my doubts if there is a C in this draft that can be that scoring threat that I was talking about...

I agree. It would be a bonus to have a scoring threat, but just like you said, i dont see one in this draft thats a real threat. Either there are ones that are decent scorers, but lack the defensive presence, or really good defenders that dont have much of an offensive game. Give me the defenders! In this draft im looking for the guys that dont need plays drawn up for them, but get their points off of put-backs from rebounding.

[Revived]

The Problems With Noel: For most of the last year, Nerlens Noel has held down the number one draft prospect spot, simply because there were no better options in front of him. As teams have started digging into Noel, he could be primed for a hefty draft day tumble. The easy way out on Noel is to point to his recovering ACL surgery, although most front office executives that would comment on it, repeated what’s being said publicly and that is that Noel’s knee appears to be healing fine and that he is on or ahead of schedule.

One source who has spent a lot of time on Noel said that he is actually a super smart basketball player with a high basketball IQ. The biggest problem with young bigs is getting them to adjust to the speed and complexity of the NBA game, especially as more and more teams institute complex scheme-based defenses. The read on Noel is that he should adjust to the NBA quickly as he absorbs complex basketball easily. Teams also like his instinctual versatility on defense, and that’s being able to guard the rim with both hands, going right or left. He also gets praise for his timing and his second and third jumps, good indicators of bounce and an aggressive rebounder’s mindset.

There are a couple of issues teams talked about when discussing Noel and that’s his slender frame and very slender lower body. Most talent evaluators look at shoulders, calves and ankles as areas for growth in strength and bulk and Noel grades low in all three, leading teams to wonder if his 206-pound combine measure is more about Noel’s limitations to put on weight and gain lower body strength necessary to be a starting center in the NBA.

There are also stories floating around about the “crowd” that’s in Noel’s life and that maybe they are going to be a problem at the next level. Every draft prospect ends up with a few money guys and hanger-ons, but the word is Noel’s specific group might have too much influence and there is concern that Noel’s development could get derailed by those influences.

All indications are that Noel is a good kid, with some questionable people in his life. Teams have their concerns and there was some serious doubt expressed by NBA executives that Noel could go No. 1 overall, in fact there was a sense he could see his stock tumble on draft night as teams drafting in the top three address real and immediate needs.

The McLemore Hype Is Real: In the last 48 hours, four NBA executives said they felt Ben McLemore could go No. 1 overall. The Cavaliers legitimately may select McLemore with the top overall pick, and if they trade the pick then that only increases the likelihood of McLemore being selected first overall. Some executives feel that McLemore has the most star potential in the draft. Executives were easily baited into the “Mock Draft Game” but most wouldn’t say much more than how they saw the draft playing out in the top five.

It’s hard to imagine how McLemore fits in Cleveland, unless the plan is simply to play small or to try and move Dion Waiters or McLemore to the small forward spot down the road.

McLemore tweeted yesterday that he landed in Orlando and will likely be meeting with the Orlando Magic today. McLemore has long been considered the best option for the Magic even when it was projected that they would land the top overall pick.

There is no doubting that NBA teams like Ben McLemore and that should do well for his stock.

Bennett Could Be Favorite For Rookie Of The Year: Anthony Bennett also has his fans. It’s commonly believed he’ll be headed to Phoenix unless the Wizards grab him at No. 3. One executive joked that if Bennett landed in Phoenix he might be the Rookie of the Year, pointing to the abundance of minutes he’d receive with the Suns and how effective he could be with that personnel.

Bennett is coming off a torn labrum in his shoulder, but all indications are that the injury is healing well and that he should get back to form pretty quickly.

The No. 1 And No. 2 Picks Could Be Had: Stop me if you have heard this one… draft picks are being shopped around.

This really isn’t news, but the truth is that both the Cleveland Cavaliers and Orlando Magic are open for business on their respective draft picks.

The Magic have been aggressively doing due diligence on dozens of players, but they are also looking at what else they can accomplish with their picks and their roster players. Magic GM Rob Hennigan was routinely hopping around the gym in Italy either on the phone or sitting with different executives throughout the workouts in Treviso. It was clear he was kicking the tires on everything he could, but it is interesting to note the Magic did spend time with Dallas, who is looking at moving their first round pick and possibly a roster player to gain additional cap space. Hennigan finished the tournament sitting with Utah’s Dennis Lindsey, and word is the Jazz have been exploring their options too.

The Magic were pretty forthcoming that they were still aggressively working so it’s unlikely that anything is real from the trip to Italy, but as the draft gets ever so closer don’t be surprised to see Orlando involved in a few things as there was a sense among the other executives that the No. 2 pick could be had.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-dr ... s-eurocamp

Some very interesting stuff in that article........

If the Suns do indeed select Bennett, it will be interesting to see how they solve the log jam at our PF position.

[Frank Lee]

IDK, im just not really thrilled with any of the Centers in this years draft.

I understand what you mean...there aren't any Centers in this draft who can actually look at and say "Wow, this guy's game will transition to the NBA and he will be good".

Everyone is banking on the "potential" of these Centers.

Exactly! Specially when it comes to defense. I read that the guy doesnt have the skills, but with his size he could become a good defender. Alot of these top 15 centers give me flashbacks of when Andre Biedrins was coming into the league.

Good points.... damn you guys.
May be its best to keep theG

Or some how acquire that #2 or #4 pick w/o giving up #5.

[JMac1]

I understand what you mean...there aren't any Centers in this draft who can actually look at and say "Wow, this guy's game will transition to the NBA and he will be good".

Everyone is banking on the "potential" of these Centers.

Exactly! Specially when it comes to defense. I read that the guy doesnt have the skills, but with his size he could become a good defender. Alot of these top 15 centers give me flashbacks of when Andre Biedrins was coming into the league.

Good points.... damn you guys.
May be its best to keep theG

Or some how acquire that #2 or #4 pick w/o giving up #5.

First....The problem with the G is, we are rebuilding and he is going to be too "old" for a rebuilt team when it comes time to compete.

Second, I agree with the guys on the center stuff (there is no for gone conclusion C in the draft), that is why I am open to so many different scenarios. I think Len will be the most capable two-way center in this draft.....so I am not afraid to take a chance on him, especially with so many coin-flip players at all of the other positions. If you are going to take a chance on a big like Len......now is the time to do it. I don't see anyone coming down the pipe line, and look how Roy Hibbert is starting to dominate a little....Roy Hibbert?!!! You know it is bad when Roy Hibbert is becoming a stud.

I agree with the Oladipo/McLemore and Shabazz lineup....could become pretty dynamic if they become the players they can be; and we add another stud next year....lighting in a bottle perhaps!! I would not be mad if that happens. Then bring in the defensive center as mentioned at #30.

Alas...my boy Bennett is back in the picture...just like a horror movie I really would not know who to add with Bennet...he and Shabazz would be terrbile, as would Zeller....maybe Adams would be good; a Barkley Mark West type combo

Our issue with this draft will be predicated on who we get with the first pick.....then we will know who to add to the mix.

[RunDogGun]

Since Hibbert was mentioned, I chose him to compare minutes with Gortat. So far Hibbert has logged over 9000 minutes in his NBA career and Gortat has logged just under 8000. So while Gortat is older, he hasn't had as much pounding minute wise. If he continues to log heavy minutes on his national team, there will be similar effect of pounding on his body, but I don't really see this age issue that too many cling to.

[carey]

Since Hibbert was mentioned, I chose him to compare minutes with Gortat. So far Hibbert has logged over 9000 minutes in his NBA career and Gortat has logged just under 8000. So while Gortat is older, he hasn't had as much pounding minute wise. If he continues to log heavy minutes on his national team, there will be similar effect of pounding on his body, but I don't really see this age issue that too many cling to.

But you absolutely have to include his international play as part of the problem. He was clearly run down about 1/2 way through last season. You could just tell he didn't have it. It's also why I wasn't surprised when his injury occurred. It's one of my big issues with foreign players.

[Ryu]

Since Hibbert was mentioned, I chose him to compare minutes with Gortat. So far Hibbert has logged over 9000 minutes in his NBA career and Gortat has logged just under 8000. So while Gortat is older, he hasn't had as much pounding minute wise. If he continues to log heavy minutes on his national team, there will be similar effect of pounding on his body, but I don't really see this age issue that too many cling to.

But you absolutely have to include his international play as part of the problem. He was clearly run down about 1/2 way through last season. You could just tell he didn't have it. It's also why I wasn't surprised when his injury occurred. It's one of my big issues with foreign players.

Good point. He will play for Poland at European championship this Septembar.

[JMac1]

Since Hibbert was mentioned, I chose him to compare minutes with Gortat. So far Hibbert has logged over 9000 minutes in his NBA career and Gortat has logged just under 8000. So while Gortat is older, he hasn't had as much pounding minute wise. If he continues to log heavy minutes on his national team, there will be similar effect of pounding on his body, but I don't really see this age issue that too many cling to.

I see the point that you are trying to make....but, that is not a valid comparison... Minutes logged isn't as important as aged. Cells die as you age...doesn't matter if you are playing a sport or not.

[RunDogGun]

Since Hibbert was mentioned, I chose him to compare minutes with Gortat. So far Hibbert has logged over 9000 minutes in his NBA career and Gortat has logged just under 8000. So while Gortat is older, he hasn't had as much pounding minute wise. If he continues to log heavy minutes on his national team, there will be similar effect of pounding on his body, but I don't really see this age issue that too many cling to.

But you absolutely have to include his international play as part of the problem. He was clearly run down about 1/2 way through last season. You could just tell he didn't have it. It's also why I wasn't surprised when his injury occurred. It's one of my big issues with foreign players.

I did include his national team play, saying if he kept up those minutes it would affect him similarly. Not sure if everyone knows this, but Gortat only played eight games with his national team this past summer.

But I did not include either guys playoff minutes. Now that I went back and looked at their playoff minutes, add 500+ minutes for Gortat, and 1000+ for Hibbert.

So total minutes in the nba looks like this Gortat 8476, Hibbert 10,660.