The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[Qwigglez]

I'm warming up to the idea of signing Isiah Thomas. He is another guy who can score off the dribble, and I feel like this team needs that. We would need his scoring early in the fourth quarter when we are trying to give our starters some rest. And I've watched several videos of him and he has a surprisingly decent shot off the dribble, from three too, which is very rare to find IMO.
I hope we frontload his contract so we can get guys next offseason.

[Revived]

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Come on please go to the Lakers or Mavs. Their a big market and it's Hollywood in LA the night life is great! And of course the no taxes in Texas sure help quite a bit as well plus Dirk!

Go to LA or Dallas PLEASE!

[thamadkant]

Lebron is pretty much not gonna be a Sun...

Suns have nothing holding them back to resign Bledsoe now...
No offer sheet has been offered...

I'm thinking...
Bledsoe and Suns had an agreement that they will max him if Lebron considers suns.
So they told him to wait...

But now that Lebron isn't coming... Bledsoe and Suns have a plan B, where the suns will sign and trade him to a couple of teams he has agreed to.
A month ago just before the draft there were rumours of Bledsoe trades... Well those talks are probably back on the table now.

Isaiah Thomas is being courted to be Bledsoe's replacement.
Atleast as a scorer.


It could be the following.
- For Love.... Suns will risk Love not resigning, because they come out with Isaiah Thomas from losing Bledsoe at the price they wanted.
Bledsoe for Love perhaps?

- Cavs... I wouldn't be surprise at all... Maybe that's another reason there's a delay..Lebron agreeing to go to cavs only if he can direct some player moves.
He doesn't have any attachment to Irving... Suns may trade Bledsoe for Irving straight.

Maybe a 3-way with Wolves lol.

[Wormwood74]

Lot going on here. I'll give quick hits on each.

1. Tucker signing was just ok. Don't love or hate it. Front loaded team option, 3 year deal means he only has to be on the cap for 2 years at a MLE level hit. Not horrific cap hit, his on court off court statistics say he is a perfectly average player. A very average salary for a very average player. Nothing to see here, move along. Given a choice, I'd rather have Channing Frye at 8, but that's why McD is the GM and I'm not, especially if we have another stretch 4 on the way (Love, Anderson)

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/5

2. Isaiah Thomas: As noted, far above average offensive player, way below average on defense. His on court value is significantly less than either Dragic or Bledsoe, especially since he really can't defend SGs (Dragic could to an extent, and Bledsoe's freakishly long arms and strength made him acceptable as a defender at either position) In fact, Bledsoe was, according to the best on court off court stat I have, far and away the best PG on defense in the league.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

The Dragic / Bledsoe backcourt was amazing statistically. That's why we were something like 23-11 when they both played.

Should we sign Isaiah Thomas? Only if it means we're definitely getting Kevin Love in a trade. Then it MIGHT make sense. However, in terms of on overall on court performance, both Bledsoe and Dragic are better players, and would (probably) better on court synergy than an IT / Dragic or IT / Bledsoe back court.

[thamadkant]

23-11 is a good start, but a lot of those wins are not just Bledsoe and Dragic.
Plumlee was putting up double doubles, Gerald Green, Tucker, Morris twins bench play etc were all factors.


McD is not a "gimmick" type of guy in regard to pushing out a two PG lineup.
This isn't similar to a twin tower setup... Twin tower setups are ideal if you have two Allstar 6'11+ big men who dominate the boards and inside scoring. The key words there "dominant on the boards and inside scoring".

Two PG lineups are not as successful when defense tightens up... Outside of Pistons Dumars and Thomas... Who had probably the best defensive front court back then... Dragic and Bledsoe aren't close to Dumars and Thomas... These two are HOF players and multiple allstars as well. It's like having Suns Nash and Nets Jason Kidd teamed up with a deep bruising defensive front court.

That's my opinion anyways.



Don't get me wrong... It's fun to watch Dragic and Bledsoe.
But I just don't think that tactic can be pillars of championship team..
But the logic and strongest case for it would be that... Spurs.
They technically had Parker, Mills, Ginobili, Diaw play making and attacking the ring.

Suns definitely need a play making big man who can shoot a bit.

That's where suns should also spend money on.
Lebron would of played a super Ginobili/Diaw role had he come to phoenix...

[SSOL]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Isa ... ideo-4649/

[SSOL]

Lebron is pretty much not gonna be a Sun...

Suns have nothing holding them back to resign Bledsoe now...
No offer sheet has been offered...

I'm thinking...
Bledsoe and Suns had an agreement that they will max him if Lebron considers suns.
So they told him to wait...

But now that Lebron isn't coming... Bledsoe and Suns have a plan B, where the suns will sign and trade him to a couple of teams he has agreed to.
A month ago just before the draft there were rumours of Bledsoe trades... Well those talks are probably back on the table now.

Isaiah Thomas is being courted to be Bledsoe's replacement.
Atleast as a scorer.


It could be the following.
- For Love.... Suns will risk Love not resigning, because they come out with Isaiah Thomas from losing Bledsoe at the price they wanted.
Bledsoe for Love perhaps?

- Cavs... I wouldn't be surprise at all... Maybe that's another reason there's a delay..Lebron agreeing to go to cavs only if he can direct some player moves.
He doesn't have any attachment to Irving... Suns may trade Bledsoe for Irving straight.

Maybe a 3-way with Wolves lol.

Bledsoe hasn't signed yet so the Suns can exceed the cap to sign other players prior to re-signing him.

[drewsprocket]

I'm warming up to the idea of signing Isiah Thomas. He is another guy who can score off the dribble, and I feel like this team needs that. We would need his scoring early in the fourth quarter when we are trying to give our starters some rest. And I've watched several videos of him and he has a surprisingly decent shot off the dribble, from three too, which is very rare to find IMO.
I hope we frontload his contract so we can get guys next offseason.

First compelling statement why Thomas could work as bench guy. Our bench unit would be crazy stacked with IT green warren Marcus Morris and co

[TASTIC]

If we can get Thomas on a deal like $24m over 4yrs, that's still:

a) a good deal/price for a guy who may be 5'9" but he still did 20pt + 6asst in the WEST last year!
b) another asset McD can include in trades if need be, rather than just absorbing an expiring/albatross contract.
c) great insurance in case (touch wood) something does happen to Dragic or Bledsoe OR Dragic wants $15m+ per season at age 29.
d) allows PHX to potentially shop Ennis...cos I'm sure he has some suitors out there.
e) he fits beautifully in that 2nd unit/uptempo pace as a whole - a true scoring PG who can set up teammates or catch fire and drop 15 in a quarter. What 2nd unit could run with IT/Goodwin/Green/Mook/Len? Not many...

I think we've seen McD is in the business of accruing assets and then upgrading/flipping them off - so those who might think 'well we've got 2 elite PGs already' - picture IT as an upgrade from Ish who will not lose ANY value leading our 2nd unit.

[SSOL]

I really like IT here. Big time pickup if at the right price. I do not like IT here in place of Dragic or Bledsoe. Would he really come here to be a 3rd guard?

[BobbieL]

Depending on the dollars - I do not hate the idea of Thomas as much as I first thought

Granted, smallish backcourt but very good offense off the bench.

[Superhuman]

I'm warming up to the idea of IT too, for the right price. I looked up some youtube videos and noticed some his layups are Nash-esque. He also averaged 1.3 steals which is nice.

My only concern is it may cause friction between the three headed PG monster knowing that one of them could be expendable.

[ShawnBronald]

I'm warming up to the idea of IT too, for the right price. I looked up some youtube videos and noticed his layups are Nash-esque. He also averaged 1.3 steals which is nice.

My only concern is it may cause friction between the three headed PG monster knowing that one of them is expendable.

As long as they all know their role and put the team first (like the Suns did last season), everything will be just fine.

[WeekapaugGroove]

My opinion of the Thomas signing will depend on the other dominoes that fall if we aquire him. It could end up a simple sign and trade where we send ennis out and Thomas in on a reasonable contract. More likely IMO the domino will be a dragic trade l. I'm ok with if we get great value back. If it's a Thomas signing and then a trade where the suns are getting 60 cents on the dollar for either goran or Bledsoe then I'm completely not cool with the whole situation.

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[Superhuman]

I'm warming up to the idea of IT too, for the right price. I looked up some youtube videos and noticed his layups are Nash-esque. He also averaged 1.3 steals which is nice.

My only concern is it may cause friction between the three headed PG monster knowing that one of them is expendable.

As long as they all know their role and put the team first (like the Suns did last season), everything will be just fine.

Yeah that's true. If we're successful next season everything should be fine between the three. Winning cures all.

[GDFTony]

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketba ... f887a.html

Looks like the Bucks are interested in Hibbert.

Anyone think this might have something to do with Indy's interest in Dragic or Bucks interest in Bledsoe? 3 team deal that we heard of?

[AtheJ415]

Particularly if it's frontloaded as much as possible to preserve space for a deeper FA class next year or the following.

If we can get Thomas on a deal like $24m over 4yrs, that's still:

a) a good deal/price for a guy who may be 5'9" but he still did 20pt + 6asst in the WEST last year!
b) another asset McD can include in trades if need be, rather than just absorbing an expiring/albatross contract.
c) great insurance in case (touch wood) something does happen to Dragic or Bledsoe OR Dragic wants $15m+ per season at age 29.
d) allows PHX to potentially shop Ennis...cos I'm sure he has some suitors out there.
e) he fits beautifully in that 2nd unit/uptempo pace as a whole - a true scoring PG who can set up teammates or catch fire and drop 15 in a quarter. What 2nd unit could run with IT/Goodwin/Green/Mook/Len? Not many...

I think we've seen McD is in the business of accruing assets and then upgrading/flipping them off - so those who might think 'well we've got 2 elite PGs already' - picture IT as an upgrade from Ish who will not lose ANY value leading our 2nd unit.

[BobbieL]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-butler-being-courted-by-thunder/article_5ba3fd40-07ee-11e4-b184-001a4bcf887a.html

Looks like the Bucks are interested in Hibbert.

Anyone think this might have something to do with Indy's interest in Dragic or Bucks interest in Bledsoe? 3 team deal that we heard of?

I thought of that too. But a Hibbert/Sanders swap makes a lot of sense IMO.

After having thought of it last night I became really interested in Charlotte's situation. They have Vonleh and Zeller on the roster. I'd like to take one. Their 2 spot is weak.

I've also started to think that Plumlee would be a great trade chip. The 5 spot is hard to cover, but young 4s are even harder to find.

I'd really like to know what we're up to.

[Ryu]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.