The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[SSOL]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

You just answered your own question. Dragic put those numbers for ONE year and couldn't lead his team to the playoffs, that is a far cry from what Steve Nash did. There is a reason the man has two MVP's.

Nash's team made the playoffs last year?

Maybe we should trade for Love, because he put up those great numbers and led his team to the playoffs...wait, sorry, no he didn't, he must suck then.

Dragic was an injured ankle away from leading them to the playoffs. Nash's teams had far more talent, let's be honest.

[Sunsdeuce]

Listening to KTAR right now (Bickley and Marota). They brought up some good points. They were talking about winners and losers so far in the off season. They said basically the suns weren't exactly losers but they definitely weren't winners and their offseason was quite underwhelming. They think they are not much worse than last year but havent done anything to improve the team. Also said, the tucker signing was ok, but if your big accomplishment is re-signing tucker, your not very good (which is a good point).

I honestly thought they were right on point with everything.

Take the suns fan homerism out of the converstion, the suns havent done really anything to improve. I think Ryan Mcd has set such a high standard because the highly successful first season. I think we expect more success and sometimes make up things to make us believe that he has been successful "this" off-season. Its hard to believe for some that Ryan may not be as perfect as we all would like to believe. Nothing wrong with that.

Still plenty of time to make improvements on this team this season. But its ok to be disappointed if you are a suns fan. Its what makes us fans.

[Phnxsports]

Does anyone know what's up with Emeka Okafor? Is he done or what? If there's a shot of him returning, would think the Suns training staff would be the best option. Throw him a vet min., or no?

Suns have already renounced Okafor.

[letsgosuns]

The Suns have a pretty big problem right now. They are extremely strong in the backcourt and very weak in the frontcourt. Plumlee and Markieff are good, but I think at this stage in their careers, they are both bench players. You could probably start one of them at a time if each were playing next to a proven scoring big guy, but starting them together, I think will put the Suns in a lot of trouble. Teams like the Grizzlies will destroy the Suns inside again. So will the Spurs and the Mavericks as well. Really any team that is strong in the frontcourt will give the Suns problems. I hope the Suns have a plan in place to sign or acquire a starting caliber power forward because they need it.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Bulls amnestied Boozer.

[bwgood77]

Anyone on this board that puts Goran Dragic in the same conversation as Steve Nash has no right to call themselves a Suns fan.

First, you keep talking about people mentioning maxing Goran out when nobody said that. Secondly, I only used the Nash comparison for age purposes when people were saying Goran was too old to keep (Nash was same age 3 years before even joining Suns the 2nd time).

Anyway, for **** and giggles, why don't we compare them at age 27 anyway? Dragic with the better PER, TS%, rebounding, twice as many steals, over 5 times as many blocks and the better defender. Nash better at assists (but of course didn't run a 2 pg scheme in Dallas) and a better shooter from 3 (Dragic much better from 2).

Nobody is saying Dragic is the same as MVP Nash either and I doubt he ever gets there, but at the same age, he is a comparable player than what Nash was at 27, if not better.

Here are the side by side comparisons http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2002

[RunDogGun]

You just answered your own question. Dragic put those numbers for ONE year and couldn't lead his team to the playoffs, that is a far cry from what Steve Nash did. There is a reason the man has two MVP's.

Nash's team made the playoffs last year?

Maybe we should trade for Love, because he put up those great numbers and led his team to the playoffs...wait, sorry, no he didn't, he must suck then.

Did I say anything about Nash making the playoff's last year? No. Do you forget that Steve Nash was on the Suns and led us to the Western Conference finals multiple times? That is why I mentioned his two MVP's. No one is comparing a 39 year old Nash to Dragic, that is laughable.

But you are right, how stupid of me, Goran Dragic averaged 20 points a game and led the Suns to the 9th seed, he must be a superstar. Why should we go after Love, we have our franchise player in Goran Dragic, lets max him out right now! He can lead us for years, chasing that last playoff spot, that's what superstars do. Yay, I am so excited.

Anyone on this board that puts Goran Dragic in the same conversation as Steve Nash has no right to call themselves a Suns fan.

I'm not sure you know how sentence structure works.

No right to call themselves a Suns fan?

Goran made an all NBA team, he has every right to be considered a very good basketball player, and whether or not he led his team to the playoffs has nothing to do with his talents. Mutually exclusive events. We were only a few games from making the playoffs, and having one of the best records in NBA history and not make the playoffs. Moreover, if we were in the east, we would have had home court advantage. We might have had an even better record there considering we would have faced worse teams than the west.

I think it's silly to take a piece of what he said, and read it the way you did. Insult to injury was saying he shouldn't even call himself a Suns fan.

[sunsbum]

Anyone on this board that puts Goran Dragic in the same conversation as Steve Nash has no right to call themselves a Suns fan.

Way to take literally everything out of context in the name of spin. Goran is comparable to Nash in that going forward when they signed him, that is who Sarver wanted to be the face of the franchise.

The fact that you compare Gorans current team who barely missed the playoffs to Nash's which literally had what? 3 all NBA players. Is an complete joke. Are you trolling trundle?

[RunDogGun]

Does anyone know what's up with Emeka Okafor? Is he done or what? If there's a shot of him returning, would think the Suns training staff would be the best option. Throw him a vet min., or no?

Suns have already renounced Okafor.

That doesn't mean we couldn't sign him. That was just done because his cap hold was large.

[sunsbum]

Bulls amnestied Boozer.

Thats looking pretty juicy right now.

[PassWarden]

I would love to see Phoenix put a bid in on Carlos Boozer, he stretches the floor and he'd be a solid mentor for Kieff.

[letsgosuns]

I do not see Dragic as anything like Steve Nash, at all. Dragic plays more like a natural scorer/shooting guard and Nash is as pure a point guard as you can get. Their games are so different. The only similarity is that Dragic drives the baseline and dribbles around it like Nash does and I am sure he learned that from Nash. Dragic is also far different than Nash on the fast break as he looks to score himself nearly every time. That is why the Suns announcers call him the one man fast break. I really think Dragic is more like Manu Ginobili as some posters have stated earlier rather than Steve Nash.

[bwgood77]

Bulls amnestied Boozer.

Thats looking pretty juicy right now.

Yeah, no real reason not to put in a bid. I wonder what they would put in if they decide to do. Only one season and could be a trade asset. You can trade him after 30 days.

He's a good pick n roll player. Yes, Kieff is much better at this point, but still, one year and maybe cheap. But someone might put in a big bid (though I'm not sure who).

[RunDogGun]

I do not see Dragic as anything like Steve Nash, at all. Dragic plays more like a natural scorer/shooting guard and Nash is as pure a point guard as you can get. Their games are so different. The only similarity is that Dragic drives the baseline and dribbles around it like Nash does and I am sure he learned that from Nash. Dragic is also far different than Nash on the fast break as he looks to score himself nearly every time. That is why the Suns announcers call him the one man fast break. I really think Dragic is more like Manu Ginobili as some posters have stated earlier rather than Steve Nash.

Holy crap people, that wasn't how he was comparing them!

[sunsbum]

Bulls amnestied Boozer.

Thats looking pretty juicy right now.

Yeah, no real reason not to put in a bid. I wonder what they would put in if they decide to do. Only one season and could be a trade asset. You can trade him after 30 days.

He's a good pick n roll player. Yes, Kieff is much better at this point, but still, one year and maybe cheap. But someone might put in a big bid (though I'm not sure who).

30 days? Is that new? From what I remember the last time we went through this rodeo it was like a year.

[PassWarden]

I'd be comfortable with a bid in the 5-8 range.

[bwgood77]

Thats looking pretty juicy right now.

Yeah, no real reason not to put in a bid. I wonder what they would put in if they decide to do. Only one season and could be a trade asset. You can trade him after 30 days.

He's a good pick n roll player. Yes, Kieff is much better at this point, but still, one year and maybe cheap. But someone might put in a big bid (though I'm not sure who).

30 days? Is that new? From what I remember the last time we went through this rodeo it was like a year.

That's what I was thinking, so I googled it before posting. Unless this is wrong.. http://allsportseverything.com/2011/12/ ... uve-asked/ Third question from bottom.

[RunDogGun]

Bulls amnestied Boozer.

Thats looking pretty juicy right now.

Yeah, no real reason not to put in a bid. I wonder what they would put in if they decide to do. Only one season and could be a trade asset. You can trade him after 30 days.

He's a good pick n roll player. Yes, Kieff is much better at this point, but still, one year and maybe cheap. But someone might put in a big bid (though I'm not sure who).

I thought you couldn't trade amnesty players in the first season you pick them up.

[SSOL]

I don't believe you can. We went through this with Scola.

[sunsbum]

That link says you can.