2016 Draft

[Damkac]

Jaylen Brown is an absolute beast. He attacks the rim with such ferosity, and looks freakishly athletic.

He would be great here if we didnt have Warren.

My Top 5 at the moment is
Simmons
Skal (I think hes being slept on)
Brown
Ingram
Bender

I wouldn't mind him. Mayby he will be next Kawhi/George/Butler

[Bogyo]

So we are now looking at the 3-5 pick by the end of the season, barring any miracles.
Only Philly, LA and Brooklyn should have a worse record than us by then. Heck, if Brooklyn manages to get something for JJ they might even surpass us, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

[Damkac]

Nets don't even have their own pick so they for sure would like to surpass us

LOSING IS SWEET WHEN YOU ARE THINKING OF BEN!

IN DECEMBER WE START OUR RUN FOR BENDER!

PLAY LIKE CLOWN FOR JAYLEN BROWN!

EMBARRASS UNCLE SAM TANKING FOR INGRAM!

Any more ideas?

[saintEscaton]

Ivan Rabb looks intriguing. If Dragan and Skal are gone he's the next best PF but we should go BPA even if that means a wing who's natural position is the 3.

[Barkley_34]

I'm more concerned with the pick cavs, several interesting options. I have been following two players who are not in any mook draft. After analyze, Jarrod Uthoff PF with good defence and excellent shot. Yesterday Michigan State lost to Iowa and Kahlil Felder pg of Oakland, electric, has the highest average of assists in NCAA

[rsavaj]

THE TANK CONTINUES

[AtheJ415]

If we end up with the 5th pick, I kind of hope we draft Jaylen Brown over Skal. I just have a lot of apprehension over guys who struggle in college. Still plenty of the season for him to turn it around though. Or, if we insist on a big, perhaps trade down or just reach and grab Ellenson or Poetl (although Poetl probably means we need to move Chandler).

I'm not sure it's best to take a SF with Bogdan coming over (he's a 2/3), but we can't get away from BPA, and I'm not certain Skal is that.

[bwgood77]

If we end up with the 5th pick, I kind of hope we draft Jaylen Brown over Skal. I just have a lot of apprehension over guys who struggle in college. Still plenty of the season for him to turn it around though. Or, if we insist on a big, perhaps trade down or just reach and grab Ellenson or Poetl (although Poetl probably means we need to move Chandler).

I'm not sure it's best to take a SF with Bogdan coming over (he's a 2/3), but we can't get away from BPA, and I'm not certain Skal is that.

I'm guessing we end up with like the 7th or 8th pick and Ellenson. I haven't watched him to see what his athleticism is like, but as a freshman he is a premier scorer and rebounder...heck as any college big he is already that.

[AtheJ415]

If we end up with the 5th pick, I kind of hope we draft Jaylen Brown over Skal. I just have a lot of apprehension over guys who struggle in college. Still plenty of the season for him to turn it around though. Or, if we insist on a big, perhaps trade down or just reach and grab Ellenson or Poetl (although Poetl probably means we need to move Chandler).

I'm not sure it's best to take a SF with Bogdan coming over (he's a 2/3), but we can't get away from BPA, and I'm not certain Skal is that.

I'm guessing we end up with like the 7th or 8th pick and Ellenson. I haven't watched him to see what his athleticism is like, but as a freshman he is a premier scorer and rebounder...heck as any college big he is already that.

You thinking bad luck, or do you believe we'll improve our play to end up at 7-8? I'd be okay with Ellenson at the moment.

[bwgood77]

If we end up with the 5th pick, I kind of hope we draft Jaylen Brown over Skal. I just have a lot of apprehension over guys who struggle in college. Still plenty of the season for him to turn it around though. Or, if we insist on a big, perhaps trade down or just reach and grab Ellenson or Poetl (although Poetl probably means we need to move Chandler).

I'm not sure it's best to take a SF with Bogdan coming over (he's a 2/3), but we can't get away from BPA, and I'm not certain Skal is that.

I'm guessing we end up with like the 7th or 8th pick and Ellenson. I haven't watched him to see what his athleticism is like, but as a freshman he is a premier scorer and rebounder...heck as any college big he is already that.

You thinking bad luck, or do you believe we'll improve our play to end up at 7-8? I'd be okay with Ellenson at the moment.

Well, I think we will play better if Booker and Warren continue to play as well as they did the other night, and Knight continues to do well. I think we will probably finish with a better record than Denver, Minnesota, and maybe Milwaukee and Sacramento, and definitely Philly and LA. Possibly New Orleans. So I guess anywhere from 5-8, but I think if we finish in bottom 7 or better we also have a decent chance of jumping into top 3. I think if you finish in bottom 5 though, odds say you will move down a spot, because there is a slightly better chance of of someone jumping you than you staying or jumping. If we finish 7th or below, odds go in the other direction.

[Duke4life831]

Its still within the realm of possibility for Ingram to go ahead of Simmons. As much as the media hype would like you to believe there isn't a unanimous #1 in this draft and Simmons is not a generational talent. His shooting form is an eyesore does not posses a reliable jumper and doesn't have much range to his offensive game.He's an elite rebounder but plays suspect defense. I think his ceiling isn't LBJ but a point forward hybrid between smaller/less powerful Blake Griffin and a more athletic Lamar Odom. I don't see him as an NBA PF and worst case scenario he turns out to be Evan Turner.

Agreed with all of this. One thing to also note with Simmons is the competition he has played. LSU has the 305th hardest schedule. They are playing teams that are bottom feeders of mid major conferences. He is scoring mostly off of his size and athleticism and he can get away with that against the teams he has faced so far. But look what happened when he went up against NC State, he put up 4 points on 1/6 shooting. I think as the season goes on and he gets into conference play (even though SEC is a pretty weak conference) you will see teams that are able to play him 1 on 1 and just sag off of him. Thats what State did, they just sagged off of him and dared him to take 10-15ft jumpers. Simmons is going to be great from day 1 in transition, but I have major questions when it comes to him scoring against NBA 4s. He also can not play the 3 in the NBA

[saintEscaton]

Its still within the realm of possibility for Ingram to go ahead of Simmons. As much as the media hype would like you to believe there isn't a unanimous #1 in this draft and Simmons is not a generational talent. His shooting form is an eyesore does not posses a reliable jumper and doesn't have much range to his offensive game.He's an elite rebounder but plays suspect defense. I think his ceiling isn't LBJ but a point forward hybrid between smaller/less powerful Blake Griffin and a more athletic Lamar Odom. I don't see him as an NBA PF and worst case scenario he turns out to be Evan Turner.

Agreed with all of this. One thing to also note with Simmons is the competition he has played. LSU has the 305th hardest schedule. They are playing teams that are bottom feeders of mid major conferences. He is scoring mostly off of his size and athleticism and he can get away with that against the teams he has faced so far. But look what happened when he went up against NC State, he put up 4 points on 1/6 shooting. I think as the season goes on and he gets into conference play (even though SEC is a pretty weak conference) you will see teams that are able to play him 1 on 1 and just sag off of him. Thats what State did, they just sagged off of him and dared him to take 10-15ft jumpers. Simmons is going to be great from day 1 in transition, but I have major questions when it comes to him scoring against NBA 4s. He also can not play the 3 in the NBA

Yeah I don't see him immediately thriving in a halfcourt set up because he neither stretches the floor nor does he bang down low. He isn't a natural scorer and right now his offensive game is limited to straightline drives in fastbreak and getting to the charity stripe at will by exploiting undersized mismatches. He won't be able to get away with that at the next level because he is not such a physically imposing specimen. He has only dominated inferior non-conference teams like North Florida

[saintEscaton]

If we end up with the 5th pick, I kind of hope we draft Jaylen Brown over Skal. I just have a lot of apprehension over guys who struggle in college. Still plenty of the season for him to turn it around though. Or, if we insist on a big, perhaps trade down or just reach and grab Ellenson or Poetl (although Poetl probably means we need to move Chandler).

I'm not sure it's best to take a SF with Bogdan coming over (he's a 2/3), but we can't get away from BPA, and I'm not certain Skal is that.

I agree I think Brown has Jimmy Butler two way upside. But I guess we would have to platoon him with TJ. They would compliment each other well. Skal is probably the most offensively polished big in this draft but there's just so many red flags. He reminds me of LMA with his faceup game but has a railthin frame that is not conducive to bulking up and I don't know if he will ever be able to attain an NBA ready body. He lacks the functional upper body strength to hang in the post even at the collegiate level. Coach Cal is telling him to stay in school for two years. I think he is the biggest boom or bust prospect

[Duke4life831]

Its still within the realm of possibility for Ingram to go ahead of Simmons. As much as the media hype would like you to believe there isn't a unanimous #1 in this draft and Simmons is not a generational talent. His shooting form is an eyesore does not posses a reliable jumper and doesn't have much range to his offensive game.He's an elite rebounder but plays suspect defense. I think his ceiling isn't LBJ but a point forward hybrid between smaller/less powerful Blake Griffin and a more athletic Lamar Odom. I don't see him as an NBA PF and worst case scenario he turns out to be Evan Turner.

Agreed with all of this. One thing to also note with Simmons is the competition he has played. LSU has the 305th hardest schedule. They are playing teams that are bottom feeders of mid major conferences. He is scoring mostly off of his size and athleticism and he can get away with that against the teams he has faced so far. But look what happened when he went up against NC State, he put up 4 points on 1/6 shooting. I think as the season goes on and he gets into conference play (even though SEC is a pretty weak conference) you will see teams that are able to play him 1 on 1 and just sag off of him. Thats what State did, they just sagged off of him and dared him to take 10-15ft jumpers. Simmons is going to be great from day 1 in transition, but I have major questions when it comes to him scoring against NBA 4s. He also can not play the 3 in the NBA

Yeah I don't see him immediately thriving in a halfcourt set up because he neither stretches the floor nor does he bang down low. He isn't a natural scorer and right now his offensive game is limited to straightline drives and getting to the charity stripe by exploiting undersized mismatches. He has only dominated inferior non-conference teams like North Florida.

Exactly. Again in transition the guy is going to look great from day 1. I also think Simmons will make a couple all star games. I just dont see the franchise changing player like many are saying. Also look at who is really pushing Simmons as the next great player, ESPN. ESPN knows this is a down year in college, and they want people to watch LSU because they show almost every LSU game on the SEC network. They also air the draft so they know if they really pump up this kid, their ratings will see a bump.

If the draft was today I would take Simmons #1. But if Ingram can continue his play as of late against legit competition which he will see plenty in the ACC I would probably bump him over Simmons. Unless Simmons shows improvement in his jumper or low post skills. Also Ingram playing in the tourney and Simmons missing it will play a role as well, if Ingram can look good in March and have a deep tourney run, that will definitely help his stock.

I just value perimeter scoring more (especially from a 6/9.5 guy) than a 6'10 point forward with no scoring skills and a below average defender

[jcsunsfan]

Simmons reminds me of Danny Manning, or a better Boris Diaw. The question is whether he makes everyone around him better, like Manning did. The college version of Manning could have 30 points and 18 rebounds and still have played an excellent team game. He was truly one of the greatest college players ever. The thing you have to remember is that Manning did it as a senior. What would Simmons be like in the NCAA 3 years from now?

[AtheJ415]

Simmons is still the unquestioned #1 for me. I think he'll be a star, even if he does require development. The only other guy I feel really good about is Dunn. I guess I'm hoping we take 1 of those 2.

I can see some positives in the swing 4/5 guys, but I think all are fairly risky.

[RussellandFlow]

Dunn is a favorite of mine as well, good size, can handle, has range and quick. I watched the St John's game today and he dominated (yes I know it is St Johns) and make it look so easy. He still has a tendency to play too fast at times which results in turnovers. Simmons is the unquestioned #1 guy right now due to his versatility and upside and I do not see anyone going before him even with his faults (lack of a jumper and tendency to float on defense). Another guy I like is Brandon Ingram who along with Simmons are probably the only two guys who have the talent to be superstars. As for the Cal guys (Brown and Rabb) I think Brown is for sure a 1 & done but I believe Rabb is going to return for one more season.

[bwgood77]

Dunn is a favorite of mine as well, good size, can handle, has range and quick. I watched the St John's game today and he dominated (yes I know it is St Johns) and make it look so easy. He still has a tendency to play too fast at times which results in turnovers. Simmons is the unquestioned #1 guy right now due to his versatility and upside and I do not see anyone going before him even with his faults (lack of a jumper and tendency to float on defense). Another guy I like is Brandon Ingram who along with Simmons are probably the only two guys who have the talent to be superstars. As for the Cal guys (Brown and Rabb) I think Brown is for sure a 1 & done but I believe Rabb is going to return for one more season.

Yeah, it seems like Ingram and Simmons are the top two at this point and maybe Dragan Bender at three...but Skal has time to show what he has. But Dunn looks nice too.

[bwgood77]

In other news, we have our first UA/ASU showdown tomorrow and Bobby Hurley has ASU balling, while AZ hasn't completely played up to expectations. ASU might have a higher RPI...I'm guessing they do because AZ's is terrible.

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