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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#141 » by DirtyDez » Sat Nov 2, 2013 12:54 am

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DirtyDez wrote:Good for him. Try to get what you feel you're worth and if he plays really well then he'll get it. If he doesn't, he wont... The sensitivity in here is frightening.


The bad thing is, if he really thinks he is a max player, I hope this doesn't turn into a Marion situation. Would you give him the max this summer? I don't think another team will, but I wouldn't even come close to giving him the max based on what we know now. If we give him a huge deal and Dragic outplays him over the next couple of years, what will Dragic want? Hopefully no team offers him a double digit per year deal and we can get him for like 36 over 4 years.


Probably not but I don't think a team will offer it either. If they do and we don't wanna match then we're about 30M under the cap.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#142 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:13 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Good for him. Try to get what you feel you're worth and if he plays really well then he'll get it. If he doesn't, he wont... The sensitivity in here is frightening.


The bad thing is, if he really thinks he is a max player, I hope this doesn't turn into a Marion situation. Would you give him the max this summer? I don't think another team will, but I wouldn't even come close to giving him the max based on what we know now. If we give him a huge deal and Dragic outplays him over the next couple of years, what will Dragic want? Hopefully no team offers him a double digit per year deal and we can get him for like 36 over 4 years.


Probably not but I don't think a team will offer it either. If they do and we don't wanna match then we're about 30M under the cap.


We are under the cap, we do not have any max players that we are committed to, poison pill contract provisions will have no impact. For a team to go after Bledsoe would be a waste of their free agent money and time. The only situation would be if some team values him MUCH more than we do. Since we are bereft of talent at this moment that is not likely.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#143 » by Kerrsed » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:40 am

Why do people keep putting "Career Backup"? The kid has been in the league for 4 years and was stuck behind the top PG in the league? How does that at all say "Career Backup"? I mean when CP3 went down, Bledsoe was putting up great numbers. He comes here and starts and puts up great numbers. Career Backup my ass!
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#144 » by Cutter » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:49 am

Kerrsed wrote:Why do people keep putting "Career Backup"? The kid has been in the league for 4 years and was stuck behind the top PG in the league? How does that at all say "Career Backup"? I mean when CP3 went down, Bledsoe was putting up great numbers. He comes here and starts and puts up great numbers. Career Backup my ass!

Well, for his entire short career he has been a back up. I wasnt implying that he would be a backup going forward. BTW I love the kid and hope he becomes a stud for us. Babby said today that he hopes Bledsoe does so well that Suns have pay him a ton of money to match a RFA offer.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#145 » by SunsFanSSOL » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:58 am

Bledsoe will be back. McD and Co. just can't afford to give Bledsoe near max money after having him play 1 game. That would kill a rebuilding team in the unlikely event he doesn't play well. I'm sure they want him here long term, otherwise they wouldn't have pushed so hard to get him. He's a Sun for the long haul.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#146 » by nevetsov » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:42 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:I'm sure they want him here long term, otherwise they wouldn't have pushed so hard to get him.


Not necessarily, they pushed so hard to get him because he's a positive asset, and we're currently in the asset accumulation stage of our rebuild. He's probably the biggest asset we have on this squad, outside of our pick.

If the right deal came along, I have no doubt McD would not hesitate to pull the trigger.


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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#147 » by Revived » Sat Nov 2, 2013 8:47 am

Why didn't the Suns hash out a contract extension with Eric Bledsoe after GM Ryan McDonough told 620 AM in Phoenix last week that the team was "hoping to get something done" with his prized young guard before Thursday's 11:59 p.m. deadline?

As covered in our recent broad look at the extension landscape, Bledsoe was seeking at least $10 million annually. He was after that sort of salary when he was still Chris Paul's backup with the Clippers and was naturally only emboldened to pursue a deal in the Ty Lawson/Steph Curry/Jrue Holiday ballpark when the Suns made him their marquee summer addition.

Yet sources say there was an undeniable gulf between the sides in this month's negotiations. The Suns were not willing to go that high
and are apparently convinced that they can handle any sort of lucrative offer sheet Bledsoe commands in July as a restricted free agent, whether that means matching the offer or facilitating a sign-and-trade if they deem the cost to be too pricey.

The Suns, in essence, were not prepared to pay Bledsoe at that level without seeing more of him in action when Goran Dragic (at $7.5 million annually) is more established in terms of running his own team. You can reasonably infer, then, that Phoenix actually won't be making Dragic available in the short term. Not until they're sure Bledsoe can indeed make the jump to full-time starter.

The risk there, of course, is that the 23-year-old uncorks a top-flight debut season in the desert, which would surely generate offer sheets in restricted free agency that the Suns won't want to see. The market for point guards next summer is quite thin, to put it charitably, with Toronto's Kyle Lowry and Detroit's Rodney Stuckey ranking as the most attractive unrestricted free agents among lead guards.

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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#148 » by Dragic13 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:19 am

I would have paid Bledsoe the 10m/year....he will most likely command more in RFA.

That being said Dragic is 5x the player Bledsoe is and he is making 7.5mil.

Dragic is underrated and Bledsoe is overrated.

They are both great players though and I hope we can keep them both as our backcourt for many years to come.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#149 » by Qwigglez » Sat Nov 2, 2013 11:27 am

I know it's only been two games but if he averages 20/6/6/1.5 for the remainder of the year, he is gonna command the max. I'd like for the Suns to give him $45mil/5 years, but I'm thinking he might see offers of $58mil for 4 years.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#150 » by Cutter » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:06 pm

Bledsoe statistically beasting in several categories except 3 point shooting (20%)

Tied for 6th in the league in free throw attempts at 10.5 per game (I love this stat). Dude gets to the hole.
Shooting 52.9% from 2-pt range which is great.
But only 20% from 3-pt range. If he could get this up to the low 30% range while all other stats stayed the same he might just get that huge offer.

Unfortunately all this is after just 2 games :lol:
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#151 » by BobbieL » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:43 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Image


He is with his "idol" and still no smile.

Also notice that he is already repping the city of Phoenix with D-backs gear.

This article best sums it up:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... --nba.html



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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#152 » by Revived » Sun Nov 3, 2013 7:21 am

LukasBMW wrote:

He is with his "idol" and still no smile.


He smiled after hitting that game winner! :D

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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#153 » by Revived » Sun Nov 3, 2013 8:12 am

Ok, after reading this article, it makes much more sense why we didn't resign Bledsoe.


However, I have some very good news for Suns fans. The more you understand about cap holds, the more you will see the genius behind waiting to re-sign Eric Bledsoe until after next summer's feeding frenzy.

Bledsoe's "cap hold" while he is a restricted free agent is only $6.57 million. No matter how big the offer he gets, the Suns only have to keep $6.57 million in cap room available to match any offer from another team.

"From the Suns' perspective," Suns President Lon Babby said to Paul Coro of azcentral.com last week regarding not extending Bledsoe just yet, "It needs to be considered from the context that Eric will be a restricted free agent in the summer, which gives us matching rights. In the end, it seemed prudent to wait until July. In the meantime, we will be rooting for Eric to have a great season."

Babby later confirmed to me that "We can match an offer sheet with Bird rights. Salary in offer sheet is included in team salary once team gives right of first refusal exercise notice."

So not only do the Suns have the right to match any offer, they don't even have to have all the cap space to do it (just the cap hold), while the signing team needs every penny of the offered salary. The Suns can use their Bird Rights on Bledsoe to exceed the cap to re-sign him (for anything bigger than his cap hold).

Now you can see more reason why the Suns waited and why Bledsoe waited as well. Bledsoe will still get every penny, and then some, without strapping the Suns cap future yet. In the two weeks or so it takes to match a Bledsoe offer next July, the Suns will have $4-7 million more dollars to spend in free agency (the difference between his cap hold and the likely offer amount).

Clever.

And by just doing a little more creative finagling to reduce cap number even further, the Suns could offer a mini-max contract to a free agent small forward or power forward (whichever hole remains after the draft) to pair with a re-signed Eric Bledsoe and the returning young core.

Imagine this current Suns team with a top-5 pick AND a top free agent next summer to fill the forward spots around Len/Plumlee and Dragic/Bledsoe/Goodwin. The best free agents will be restricted (like Bledsoe, 2010 draftees) who were not extended this fall, two of whom are named Gordon Hayward and Greg Monroe.

Even if the Suns don't want to spend all that money next summer, depending on trades between now and then, why tie up the money when you don't have to do it? Better to stay flexible as long as possible.

In the end, the Suns are in better shape than you might have thought next summer.

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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#154 » by NapoleonII » Sun Nov 3, 2013 8:25 am

I'm fine with mgmt playing it out. Let Bledsoe earn his contract. I'd be fine with 12m per year....expensive, but it's what the market dictates. Sometimes you gotta roll the die on a player like him, and hope he's the real deal. 2 regular season games cannot tell us that.


A top 3 pick (Wiggins), a signed Bledsoe, an aggressive and filled out Len, a prime Dragic + Plumlee in a mid to large market like PHX is looking like a somewhat enticing destination.

I think we have about a 2% chance of landing Lebron, but I'd pay Bledsoe 20m a year if it convinced Lebron to come here.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#155 » by JMac1 » Sun Nov 3, 2013 2:45 pm

NapoleonII wrote:I'm fine with mgmt playing it out. Let Bledsoe earn his contract. I'd be fine with 12m per year....expensive, but it's what the market dictates. Sometimes you gotta roll the die on a player like him, and hope he's the real deal. 2 regular season games cannot tell us that.


A top 3 pick (Wiggins), a signed Bledsoe, an aggressive and filled out Len, a prime Dragic + Plumlee in a mid to large market like PHX is looking like a somewhat enticing destination.

I think we have about a 2% chance of landing Lebron, but I'd pay Bledsoe 20m a year if it convinced Lebron to come here.


I think Lebron goes to Cleveland or stays in Miami BUT.........with the way Cleveland and Miami looks; if Bledsoe does turn into an allstar and Plumlee isnt an aberation and Len gets better and we get a Randle and Goodwin starts to show out, we might be a very attractive place for him.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#156 » by SideSwipe » Sun Nov 3, 2013 4:03 pm

It would seem that the biggest competition for Bledsoe may come from Orlando. They had interest previously in signing him. They could put together a $48/4 offer on the table that would really give PHX pause about what to do. That is a pretty rich deal, but ORL could absorb it without terribly affecting their own plans. They would be right on track with their own 111 plan. They would get a high pick, a good free agent and have plenty of trade fodder leftover to work with to get yet another top-flight trade asset.

They could put together an Oladipo, Nicholson, Top 5 pick plus salary filler (Nelson, Davis) for Love offer. That is a very strong offer. One that Phoenix can't match. Orlando could be pretty enticing for Bledsoe because of it. ORL could go with Bledsoe, FA, Harkless, Love, Vucevic. Or they could do one asset less and go for Aldridge. Either way, their future is looking just a little bit brighter than our own, for the moment.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#157 » by JMac1 » Sun Nov 3, 2013 7:35 pm

SideSwipe wrote:It would seem that the biggest competition for Bledsoe may come from Orlando. They had interest previously in signing him. They could put together a $48/4 offer on the table that would really give PHX pause about what to do. That is a pretty rich deal, but ORL could absorb it without terribly affecting their own plans. They would be right on track with their own 111 plan. They would get a high pick, a good free agent and have plenty of trade fodder leftover to work with to get yet another top-flight trade asset.

They could put together an Oladipo, Nicholson, Top 5 pick plus salary filler (Nelson, Davis) for Love offer. That is a very strong offer. One that Phoenix can't match. Orlando could be pretty enticing for Bledsoe because of it. ORL could go with Bledsoe, FA, Harkless, Love, Vucevic. Or they could do one asset less and go for Aldridge. Either way, their future is looking just a little bit brighter than our own, for the moment.



If we want Bledsoe, we have him, period!
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#158 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 4, 2013 11:30 pm

David (NOLA)

Now that he's going to be a RFA, what does your crystal ball say about the money Bledsoe will get next summer?
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Someone will give him the max. He's 23 years old and averaging 15-5-5 per 36 minutes last two seasons with freakish defensive ability and upside.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#159 » by nevetsov » Tue Nov 5, 2013 1:52 am

I hope we don't give him the max. IMO there are only a few PGs in the current PG heavy league who are true franchise players and worth max money. I'm talking about proven Allstar guys like Rose, Paul, and Westbrook who excel at:

- Playmaking
- Attacking the basket
- Mid range shooting
- Long range shooting
- On ball Defense
- Leadership

In the next tier of PGs (about #6-20 ranked, in the $13m-$8m per band) each of these guys are average/deficient in at least one of these categories. However, the disparity in talent in this group isn't significant enough IMO to warrant overpaying for a guy who will come up against a comparable guy most nights.

I'd currently rank Bledsoe towards the middle of the tier 2 band, with his critical deficiencies being:

- Mid range shooting
- Long range shooting
- Leadership

If he can improve these over the course of the season he may push up into the high end of the band but until he does so I wouldn't be prepared to overpay, given we have Goran at $8m who probably provides more across the board.


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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#160 » by Cutter » Tue Nov 5, 2013 4:06 am

nevetsov wrote:I hope we don't give him the max. IMO there are only a few PGs in the current PG heavy league who are true franchise players and worth max money. I'm talking about proven Allstar guys like Rose, Paul, and Westbrook who excel at:

- Playmaking
- Attacking the basket
- Mid range shooting
- Long range shooting
- On ball Defense
- Leadership

In the next tier of PGs (about #6-20 ranked, in the $13m-$8m per band) each of these guys are average/deficient in at least one of these categories. However, the disparity in talent in this group isn't significant enough IMO to warrant overpaying for a guy who will come up against a comparable guy most nights.

I'd currently rank Bledsoe towards the middle of the tier 2 band, with his critical deficiencies being:

- Mid range shooting
- Long range shooting
- Leadership

If he can improve these over the course of the season he may push up into the high end of the band but until he does so I wouldn't be prepared to overpay, given we have Goran at $8m who probably provides more across the board.


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Nice post. No max until major sustained improvement.

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