The 2015 Suns Board Fantasy Thread

[sunskerr]

H2H announcement: I think I might have made a mistake in calculating the best possible number of games per week limit... Right now there isn't anybody who will reach the 45 per game limit. Which is pretty much an emergency situation because we want everyone to play the exact same number of games. If you guys are on board with it I'd like to cut it down to 36 (approx. 1 game per slot) before the start of next week's matchups.

[MrMiyagi]

Another rookie question, CP3 was in my lineup, but he's sitting out today's game. Does that still count as a game played?

[Stix]

Another rookie question, CP3 was in my lineup, but he's sitting out today's game. Does that still count as a game played?

nope

[b-ball forever]

Damn, all that stuff I went through mentioned above was to add Marcus Thornton, and b-ball forever just picked him up, and also Avery Bradley, and Kop Legend picked him up. That screw up sucks. At least my team had a good night tonight.

Ish Smith is still available

Seriously tho, a couple FA targets of mine got stolen under my nose as well

Well I was pissed when I saw Thornton doing well tonight but I ended up getting Barton instead and he had 19 pts, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 2 3s, and a block. Not bad for a guy probably not even on rosters in any other leagues.

Edit...and damn...right after posting that I went to go grab him in h2h and saw he got picked up 45 minutes ago.

Ahem, Thornton with another great game last night. 16 pts, 3 stls, 2 treys...

Gotta brag while I can before his minutes go back down once all the Rox players come back

[Qwigglez]

H2H announcement: I think I might have made a mistake in calculating the best possible number of games per week limit... Right now there isn't anybody who will reach the 45 per game limit. Which is pretty much an emergency situation because we want everyone to play the exact same number of games. If you guys are on board with it I'd like to cut it down to 36 (approx. 1 game per slot) before the start of next week's matchups.

Good idea. Because otherwise it's just the same as Yahoo and I thought the strategy was to have a limited number of games per week.

[spanishninja]

36 games way too low though. barely more than 5 games a day. Is it the intention that barely more than half of your lineup should play on average? I suggest something like 40 instead of 45. For reference, approximately 55 games are being played each week in the NBA. As far as I can tell there hasn't been any abusive activity going on in the first place (beyond people just adjusting their roster to rid themselves of bad performers), which is what I thought the games limit was supposed to address.

And to use my own example for next week, just by setting my lineups for the entire week to start the players with games on each day, I'm already at 41. Without using any moves.

[bwgood77]

H2H announcement: I think I might have made a mistake in calculating the best possible number of games per week limit... Right now there isn't anybody who will reach the 45 per game limit. Which is pretty much an emergency situation because we want everyone to play the exact same number of games. If you guys are on board with it I'd like to cut it down to 36 (approx. 1 game per slot) before the start of next week's matchups.

I think that sounds about right...I'd probably go with 37 or 38 though.

[bwgood77]

36 games way too low though. barely more than 5 games a day. Is it the intention that barely more than half of your lineup should play on average? I suggest something like 40 instead of 45. For reference, approximately 55 games are being played each week in the NBA. As far as I can tell there hasn't been any abusive activity going on in the first place (beyond people just adjusting their roster to rid themselves of bad performers), which is what I thought the games limit was supposed to address.

And to use my own example for next week, just by setting my lineups for the entire week to start the players with games on each day, I'm already at 41. Without using any moves.

Yeah, I can't tell if today's games have been counted in my score yet or not, but I am at 38 and I still have some guys going, so I will probably end up at 40 or so, and I have guys injured and I certainly haven't added dropped a bunch to play a max # of games...maybe my last post was a bit low.

Lets see where everyone ends up after today's games and see if the lower teams were active with lineup changes or had injuries and assess.

You should have quoted sunskerr here so he would get notification of your post, but since I quoted him maybe he will see this one.

[sunskerr]

For reference, approximately 55 games are being played each week in the NBA.

Please provide a reference or mathematical proof for this statement. I want to get this right.

[spanishninja]

For reference, approximately 55 games are being played each week in the NBA.

Please provide a reference or mathematical proof for this statement. I want to get this right.

It's a rough calculation based on 22 fantasy weeks per season, and the fact that there are 1230 games played per season total (82 games per team x 30 teams) / 2 teams played per game.

Another thing I noticed about the way ESPN handles game limits is this:

"* - If a team exceeds a games played limit during the middle of a gameday, that team will continue to accumulate stats until the end of the day. Stats will not count for any position which the games played max has been exceeded before the gameday begins."

I am not 100% sure yet, but to me the meaning of this rule is that if you are at, let's say 35/36 games at the end of saturday, and you have 7 players with games on Sunday, they will all accumulate stats on Sunday giving you a total of 42 games played. If this is true, it seems like it could lead to imbalances and even exploits potentially.

[sunskerr]

It's a rough calculation based on 22 fantasy weeks per season, and the fact that there are 1230 games played per season total (82 games per team x 30 teams) / 2 teams played per game.

Another thing I noticed about the way ESPN handles game limits is this:

"* - If a team exceeds a games played limit during the middle of a gameday, that team will continue to accumulate stats until the end of the day. Stats will not count for any position which the games played max has been exceeded before the gameday begins."

I am not 100% sure yet, but to me the meaning of this rule is that if you are at, let's say 35/36 games at the end of saturday, and you have 7 players with games on Sunday, they will all accumulate stats on Sunday giving you a total of 42 games played. If this is true, it seems like it could lead to imbalances and even exploits potentially.

That rule certainly does seem like an issue. But it looks unavoidable. Unfortunately ESPN has no system which stops managers from starting a number of players which would exceed the games played limit.

I understand the calculation for games played per week in the NBA = ~55 but roster size and makeup can't allow everyone to own players from 15 different teams.

My calculation for games played (fantasy) is 9 starting spots x 4 games (the max per week a team can play)=36. Right now I have an additional 9 games added to that (45) which would mean 5 games per spot which is impossible under NBA rules because a team can play no more than 4 games in 5 days, and no more than two games in two days:

game, game, rest, game, game, rest, rest OR game, game, rest, game, rest, game, rest

I'll look at the games played totals after the scores are finalized today. If nobody has hit the 45 games played mark I'm going to lower it.

[spanishninja]

From what I can see, nobody has hit 45 this week, but two are at 43, and one 44, again, simply from the way the schedule turned out. And judging from the results, games played doesn't really correlate necessarily with outcome.

I have no problem with a games limit, but I don't want one that requires excessive micromanagement, which I fear something like 36 will end up causing. I started a new job this year that requires quite a lot of travel and long commutes, and I really only have time t o set my lineup once a week or so. Having to count games played throughout the week (without the aid of a readily visible counter on the "my team" tab) makes this pretty tedious.

[spanishninja]

It's a rough calculation based on 22 fantasy weeks per season, and the fact that there are 1230 games played per season total (82 games per team x 30 teams) / 2 teams played per game.

Another thing I noticed about the way ESPN handles game limits is this:

"* - If a team exceeds a games played limit during the middle of a gameday, that team will continue to accumulate stats until the end of the day. Stats will not count for any position which the games played max has been exceeded before the gameday begins."

I am not 100% sure yet, but to me the meaning of this rule is that if you are at, let's say 35/36 games at the end of saturday, and you have 7 players with games on Sunday, they will all accumulate stats on Sunday giving you a total of 42 games played. If this is true, it seems like it could lead to imbalances and even exploits potentially.

That rule certainly does seem like an issue. But it looks unavoidable. Unfortunately ESPN has no system which stops managers from starting a number of players which would exceed the games played limit.

I understand the calculation for games played per week in the NBA = ~55 but roster size and makeup can't allow everyone to own players from 15 different teams.

My calculation for games played (fantasy) is 9 starting spots x 4 games (the max per week a team can play)=36. Right now I have an additional 9 games added to that (45) which would mean 5 games per spot which is impossible under NBA rules because a team can play no more than 4 games in 5 days, and no more than two games in two days:

game, game, rest, game, game, rest, rest OR game, game, rest, game, rest, game, rest

I'll look at the games played totals after the scores are finalized today. If nobody has hit the 45 games played mark I'm going to lower it.

The problem with deciding games played following the schedule of a single team is simply that your fantasy team does not consist of players from just one team, and you also have 13 players on your team to fill those 9 spots. Assuming that an owner is expected to actually use bench players instead of leaving them there all week, this means that it doesn't end up actually working out to 9x4=36.

I think the way to limit games played per week is through the number of player moves per week. Reducing the number of moves from 4 to 2 would be a better way to curb abuse imo.

[sunskerr]

5 games per spot is impossible to reach though. We want to best limit the disparity between games played per team. The total number of players on a roster is 12, which if you take the 3-4 game average, apply it to the bench (3 players) and add it to our 36 limit baseline comes out to 45. Which basically equates to "play everybody".

[spanishninja]

5 games per spot is impossible to reach though. We want to best limit the disparity between games played per team. The total number of players on a roster is 12, which if you take the 3-4 game average, apply it to the bench (3 players) and add it to our 36 limit baseline comes out to 45. Which basically equates to "play everybody".

I wouldn't say 5 games per spot is impossible to reach, since three teams this week came very close without even using all their moves for the week.

And just so I understand clearly, is it the idea the owners should not play everybody? There doesn't seem to be a point of having more than 9 rounds of the draft if we weren't going to use the bench guys.

The disparity in games played is going to occur regardless, I think. But it works out over the course of the entire season because a 30-game week in week 2 will be balanced out with a 45-game week in week 10.

[sunskerr]

The idea was to come up with a way to force owners to actually think about which games they would select to play rather than just throwing out players passively. I'm not sure this is possible with a 9 man squad which is why i mentioned a while ago that next year would feature 8 starters and 4 or 5 bench

[spanishninja]

The idea was to come up with a way to force owners to actually think about which games they would select to play rather than just throwing out players passively. I'm not sure this is possible with a 9 man squad which is why i mentioned a while ago that next year would feature 8 starters and 4 or 5 bench

Well, I don't necessarily think that this is a necessary aspect of fantasy basketball (as opposed to football). After all, if I am near the limit, the decision to start Damian Lillard ahead of Will Barton requires absolutely zero strategy. However, I'm ok with it, as long as the limit is reasonable and doesn't require excessive micromanagement. FYI the average number of games played by each team in our league was 38 this week, so perhaps this is a good place to set the limit.

[sunskerr]

The idea was to come up with a way to force owners to actually think about which games they would select to play rather than just throwing out players passively. I'm not sure this is possible with a 9 man squad which is why i mentioned a while ago that next year would feature 8 starters and 4 or 5 bench

Well, I don't necessarily think that this is a necessary aspect of fantasy basketball (as opposed to football). After all, if I am near the limit, the decision to start Damian Lillard ahead of Will Barton requires absolutely zero strategy. However, I'm ok with it, as long as the limit is reasonable and doesn't require excessive micromanagement. FYI the average number of games played by each team in our league was 38 this week, so perhaps this is a good place to set the limit.

I'll start with your initial suggestion of 40 games. I agree with 36 probably being too drastic.

[bwgood77]

The idea was to come up with a way to force owners to actually think about which games they would select to play rather than just throwing out players passively. I'm not sure this is possible with a 9 man squad which is why i mentioned a while ago that next year would feature 8 starters and 4 or 5 bench

Well, I don't necessarily think that this is a necessary aspect of fantasy basketball (as opposed to football). After all, if I am near the limit, the decision to start Damian Lillard ahead of Will Barton requires absolutely zero strategy. However, I'm ok with it, as long as the limit is reasonable and doesn't require excessive micromanagement. FYI the average number of games played by each team in our league was 38 this week, so perhaps this is a good place to set the limit.

I'll start with your initial suggestion of 40 games. I agree with 36 probably being too drastic.

Sounds right to me.

[spanishninja]

cool. Now I can focus on feeling out the trade market!