Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16)

[KLEON]

Now he puts Bookers in.

He was 1-5 and 0-3 from three, what's the deal dude?

What the f*ck does Tucker bring to the team?

[Cutter]

Morris with 5 turnovers in 15 minutes. This guy is trash and should just sit on the bench until he is traded.

[AtheJ415]

Hornacek needs to go. Rotations are absolute nonsense. Playcalling in crunch time sucks.


Also, for those who will inevitably blame our guards for this, there was a lot of ball movement in the last 6 minutes that resulted in nothing. 4-5 passes, that end up with a guy who doesn't want to shoot or else are easy to defend since our physical players are stationary despite the ball moving. There were even plays where MIL switched and we had mismatches, you could hear Knight tell Leuer to get in the post, but because it took so long to develop our guards had to just create a shot because there was 6-8 seconds on the clock at that point. This just happens way too often. Our first, second, and third options get shut down a ton in the base offense, and then our guards have to force a shot with no time left. And on defense down the stretch we simply couldn't stop a bucks offense that is far from scary. I think they scored on 8 of their last 10 possessions or something like that.


Time to move on. I don't know who the next guy is, but this team doesn't execute out of timeouts or down the stretch on key possessions on either end in my opinion. Kidd has a team that is just as young, and it's not like his go to players are superior talents to ours. MCW and Greg Monroe are no better weapons that what Phoenix has.

[RunDogGun]

Now he puts Bookers in.

He was 1-5 and 0-3 from three, what's the deal dude?

What the f*ck does Tucker bring to the team?

Tonight, 12/7/2 4-4 2-2 2-3.

[Blackification]

Getting harder and harder to care about this team every game they play

[Dumas_21]

Really, its time to play Goodwin, Warren and Booker bigger consistent minutes. Let them play without fear of making mistakes. I remember when Joe Johnson first came here he was always being benched for little mistakes but once we got rid of Penny, he was able to play through his mistakes and his game and confidence took off. Not that Book is lacking in confidence but some rotational consistency would go along ways to forming some kind of foundation for this team. I know it won't happen with Horny and Sarver as the helm but damn, it sure as hell would be nicer watching more Book on a nightly basis than that chucker Knight.

[kennydorglas]

This loss is completely unnaceptable
b2b, without their star

Something needs to be done.

[Dumas_21]

Now he puts Bookers in.

He was 1-5 and 0-3 from three, what's the deal dude?

On the final play, we had a slashing Bledsoe heading to the basket so why not have Booker in to open up the lane. Regardless of his game tonight, he's a threat from anywhere.

[PhxSunsFan13]

Wow this team is a joke

[KLEON]

He was 1-5 and 0-3 from three, what's the deal dude?

What the f*ck does Tucker bring to the team?

Tonight, 12/7/2 4-4 2-2 2-3.

Tucker is TRASH plain and simple. Booker and Warren bring more to the team. For the love of God why does Jeff keep bringing in Tucker in crunch time? He can't shoot or play defense so again what does he bring to this team?

Knight,Jeff and Keef need to go

[blacksun]

The Tucker hate on this board is insane, but Warren shouldve been the one to finish the game. Hornacek isnt the right coach for this team. bwgood has been preaching patience on him, coz he wanted to see how Horny would do without Kieff, but now that Kieff isnt really playing all that much, were not really any better. Now i wanna see this same team under another coach. Chances are, we either go up or go down the rankings, and thats better than where we are now.

Oh and Terrence Jones is trash. Hes no savior.

[KLEON]

Really, its time to play Goodwin, Warren and Booker bigger consistent minutes. Let them play without fear of making mistakes. I remember when Joe Johnson first came here he was always being benched for little mistakes but once we got rid of Penny, he was able to play through his mistakes and his game and confidence took off. Not that Book is lacking in confidence but some rotational consistency would go along ways to forming some kind of foundation for this team. I know it won't happen with Horny and Sarver as the helm but damn, it sure as hell would be nicer watching more Book on a nightly basis than that chucker Knight.

Dude we are already suffering as Suns' fan.

[letsgosuns]

It is impossible to deny that the Suns bench was better than the starters tonight. The big difference is that the majority of them are on rookie contracts and Bledose and Knight are paid like all stars. Bledsoe and Knight are nowhere near all stars. Watching them in crunch time tonight was embarrassing. After so many decades of great guard play on the Suns, it is beyond belief that the team's offense is built around two selfish, small guards that play isolation basketball almost every play.

If Nash, Kidd, or KJ had a team with Len, Warren, Booker, Leuer, and Teletovich, they would average 10+ assists with their eyes closed.

[Cutter]

I'm still not sold that Bledsoe is good enough to be the starting PG on a legit playoff contender. Yeah, he can run a non-playoff team and put up great stats, but I'm just not yet sold he can take this team to the promised land as the lead guard.

[AtheJ415]

Another issue is our turnovers. That falls on Hornacek too. You cannot average 17 a game and win. We have the same common themes all year. Guards or our SF's see how the D is overaggressively playing a pick and roll, and throw the pop or roll passes really early, and our bigs don't expect the pass (which falls on the bigs imo), resulting in a turnover and almost always fast break points because these soft passes end up in live balls. Our offense shuts down, somebody (usually a guard) tries to do too much and dribbles into traffic, another common turnover issue. Stupid passes is another. People of all positions assuming a shot on a fast break so they stop moving or turn away, which is especially hurtful to winning because you're losing transition points in the process. The stationary man in the corner attempting to do really anything other than shoot, except for the occasional Warren baseline floater, often results in a travel, a bad shot, dribbling off the foot, or an insanely bad shot from a guy like Tucker, which is as bad as a turnover.

I'm sick of the wasted possessions. I expect it early in the year when players are getting used to one another, but many of these should've been cleaned up by now. And that's a coaching issue every bit as much as it would fall on any of the players.

[Saberestar]

Sometimes to be patient is a good thing...and sometimes is not. We are giving to Hornacek 1000000 opportunities and he doesn't know how to run efficiently a team. He plays with players minutes a lot, taking a lot of confidence from the players.

Another example in the last two games....Mirza Teletovic. He was playing good basketball, and put a good offensive game against GSW with 24 points. The next game against the Pelicans he played 4 minutes. Today he was off.

[RunDogGun]

What the f*ck does Tucker bring to the team?

Tonight, 12/7/2 4-4 2-2 2-3.

Tucker is TRASH plain and simple. Booker and Warren bring more to the team. For the love of God why does Jeff keep bringing in Tucker in crunch time? He can't shoot or play defense so again what does he bring to this team?

Knight,Jeff and Keef need to go

Meh, that's just your opinion. Tucker rebounds, defends, and boxes out. GMAT went through a whole thing about this stuff. Tucker is a role player, and he only has trouble when he tries do stuff outside his skill set. Warren and Booker are getting their minutes. I really don't see why people are bitching so much.

[KLEON]

Sign Nash to a 10 day contract please

[AtheJ415]

Tucker played well today. I hate on him as much as anyone but he had a good game. This is the NBA. Even the worst starting SF in basketball, and I believe he is, will have a number of good games throughout the year. See Archie vs. the Kings as a rookie. AllNBA players are capable of playing well on any given night. It doesn't change the fact that he has no value to this team long-term and needs to be moved imo.

That said, with 10 seconds left or so, how Tucker is in over Warren when you are down 2 and must score is ridiculous to me, even if he has played better offense than usual. Particularly when the play call is for Bledsoe, Warren is the better decoy. The only logic to me is Tucker being the better rebounder, but you could simply demand Warren crash the boards on that play and make it damn clear he needs to attack the glass and you're better off.

[letsgosuns]

I'm still not sold that Bledsoe is good enough to be the starting PG on a legit playoff contender. Yeah, he can run a non-playoff team and put up great stats, but I'm just not yet sold he can take this team to the promised land as the lead guard.

I am not a big believer in solely looking at stats. The only thing I care about in basketball is wins and losses. This is the third straight with Bledsoe at the helm and the team has gotten worse each year. He is supposed to be the best player on the team. Hornacek said during the preseason that this is far and away the most talented roster he has had since he was hired. So how is it possible that the team sucks so badly? Maybe it is because the players leading the team are just not that good.