2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[hollywood6964]

Ya ultimately I'd agree and to be honest short of KD telling the warriors "I'll resign if you trade Draymond" I don't see anyway they trade him to anyone they're still a contender KD or no.

If we're talking about defensive minded bigmen I'd rather have Capella anyway. Locked in deal, younger, cheaper and not annoying like Draymond.

He wouldn't make sense with Ayton. I mean, draymond would make sense, if he were like 14 mil a year. Or a guy like him. He's old, but paul milsap would be a likely candidate. Someone like him but younger, little more defensive minded.

Milasap would be great too but yeah he's even older then Draymond. Capella wouldn't be playing as C but as our PF in that scenario I laid out. His defense in particular his rebounding would be great next to Ayton. His defense and Ayton's potentially fantastic offense could compliment each other nicely.

I get that he was run off the court against GS but who besides Gordan really looked good? We need to worry about the basics like defense and rebounding and making it to .500 before we need think about beating the warriors in the playoffs.

I'm talking offensively. Ayton likes to be inside n capella does as well. clogged interior. Also, defensively, most pfs these days would give either of those 2 problems.

[bwgood77]

Looks like we agreed to terms with Oubre.

Check the Suns facebook page. I'm kinda shocked they posted what they did. Seems a bit risky to me.

Can you share what they posted ? I deactivated my Facebook cause of a crazy girl.

They posted a close photo of Oubre's face (only half of it) with the caption "#Shhh"

Everyone in the comments seems to agree this must mean we agreed to terms. Handshake deal.

My guess is 4 years and 60 mil.

I think it was on Suns twitter and instagram too. If they came to agreement with Oubre, I doubt they told the social media guy.

[bwgood77]

1. JJ and Bucks pick for Dinwiddie
2. Draft Culver
3. Restructure Tyler Johnson
4. Sign Julius Randle
5. Resign Oubre
6. Resign Holmes

Dinwiddie/Bumpy
Booker/Culver
Oubre/Bridges
TJ/Julius
Ayton/Holmes

Perfection.

Balance in positions and balance in age.

Not sure if we could afford to add two of the worst defensive players in the league. Dinwiddie was the worst non rookie PG defensively, at least according to DRPM. I doubt they are looking to trade him anyway.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Seems weird the Lakers are trying to trade ball. Apparently Gentry really wants to pair Lonzo with Jrue

I actually like balls system fit in Gentry's run and gun style.... But I can absolutely see why you would want all the shooting and a pick and roll PG with Zion. And at the end of the day they should just go all in and build completely around Zion. Look at what the bucks did this year around Giannis, when you have a rare talent do everything to compliment their game.

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[bigfoot]

1. JJ and Bucks pick for Dinwiddie
2. Draft Culver
3. Restructure Tyler Johnson
4. Sign Julius Randle
5. Resign Oubre
6. Resign Holmes

Dinwiddie/Bumpy
Booker/Culver
Oubre/Bridges
TJ/Julius
Ayton/Holmes

Perfection.

Balance in positions and balance in age.

Not sure if we could afford to add two of the worst defensive players in the league. Dinwiddie was the worst non rookie PG defensively, at least according to DRPM. I doubt they are looking to trade him anyway.

#3 is a no go. Can not restructure a players contract so that they make less money.

[Flying Colors]

#3 is a no go. Can not restructure a players contract so that they make less money.

I'm never been sure why people think TJ would even want to do something like that anyways. Why would anyone ever want to give up all that guaranteed money.

[lilfishi22]

#3 is a no go. Can not restructure a players contract so that they make less money.

I'm never been sure why people think TJ would even want to do something like that anyways. Why would anyone ever want to give up all that guaranteed money.

He wouldn't. There was a thinking that perhaps he was on $12m cash salary this season ($19m counted on the salary cap) and that there's a chance he could decline his option to resign for something at around $10-14m longer term. But I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that he's owed the full $19m if he opts in and nothing suggests he wouldn't.

[nevetsov]

If Lakers and Knicks are the only teams for AD, Lakers could tank the bidding war and get back at the Pels by telling the Knicks they aren't going to persue him. Knicks would only be bidding against themselves which drops the value the Pels will get. Might be why Pelinka told the young Lakers players to buy real estate in LA?

If the Lakers get nothing this year in FA (and I think it's looking increasingly possible) they might embrace the rebuild - hence they are looking to trade Lonzo for a additional top 10 pick.

They may be banking on us using our pick for a PG, in which case they could take Garland at 4, And Clarke/ Hayes at 7.

Garland
Ingram, Hart
Kuzma
LeBron, Hayes/ Clarke
...

Dare I say it, would they consider trading LeBron?

Say to HOU for Capella, Gordon and picks?

Garland
Gordon, Hart
Ingram, Kuzma
Clarke, Kuzma
Capella

[Mr Puddles]

With recent news the 2020 offseason is starting to look like it might have potential:

• Durant Achilles injury - I'm expecting him to opt in now
• AD trade - a dark horse team might give the Pelicans a offer they can't refuse in an attempt to convince him to stay like OKC did what Paul George and Toronto is trying to do with Leonard. E.g. I could see Boston swinging for the fences in an attempt to stay relevant. This would make is far more likely that AD becomes a free agent in 2020.
• Kristaps Porzingis move and recovery with dallas doesn't make him an automatic extension candidate. The mavs may pick up his option instead, which would make Porzingis a free agent in 2020.

Then there are a couple of interesting free agents as well. Our front office should play it smart this offseason and keep enough capspace for a max signing in 2020. If the Suns stay healthy and show promise this year we might be a dark horse to pick up a difference maker in free agency.

[offset]

I was just thinking. The Durant injury might help the Knicks land AD. If the Knicks still sign Durant and he has to miss all of next year then their 2020 draft pick is more valuable in a package for AD. The Knicks will have to trade all their assets for AD and AD proved with the Pelicans that he can't single handily carry a team. If Durant was playing next year then the 2020 pick probably would have been a super late pick, but with him sidelined the 2020 pick will probably be fringe lottery and maybe better. The Durant injury actually increased the Knicks future tradable assets.

[DirtyDez]

I’d throw up if we traded our pick for Ball or Smart. Just keep Tyler Johnson, sign Patrick Beverly.

I wouldn’t mind smart if we get back 14.

I'd do it if we got back 20. I mean a 25 yr old, first team all defense who's on a reasonable contract sounds fantastic. I assume you both watched the Boston- Milwaukee series. Smart and Morris were the only ones who showed any heart at all.

Nbadraft.net has Clarke going 20 right now. I’m sure Ainge views Smart as an essential piece going forward without Kyrie and possibly Rozier.

[Crives]

I was just thinking. The Durant injury might help the Knicks land AD. If the Knicks still sign Durant and he has to miss all of next year then their 2020 draft pick is more valuable in a package for AD. The Knicks will have to trade all their assets for AD and AD proved with the Pelicans that he can't single handily carry a team. If Durant was playing next year then the 2020 pick probably would have been a super late pick, but with him sidelined the 2020 pick will probably be fringe lottery and maybe better. The Durant injury actually increased the Knicks future tradable assets.

I think it’s the other way around and AD is now headed to our division...
The only way for Knicks to contend next year if they traded everything for AD was to pair him with KD. Now they will be worried about resigning AD like Boston.

[Crives]

I wouldn’t be surprised if AD to Lakers is announced tomorrow after KDs injury...

[Slim Charless]

I wouldn’t mind smart if we get back 14.

I'd do it if we got back 20. I mean a 25 yr old, first team all defense who's on a reasonable contract sounds fantastic. I assume you both watched the Boston- Milwaukee series. Smart and Morris were the only ones who showed any heart at all.

Nbadraft.net has Clarke going 20 right now. I’m sure Ainge views Smart as an essential piece going forward without Kyrie and possibly Rozier.

Ya no doubt. If shipping Smart off gets him AD though I'm he'll get over it. It's just be a matter of who Griffin values more: Smart or the 6th pick if this whole thing went down. He can always use other picks to grab Conley or maybe Lowery.

Can you imagine adding Clarke and Smart to this team? Our defense would take a huge leap up lol.

[Slim Charless]

I wouldn’t be surprised if AD to Lakers is announced tomorrow after KDs injury...

Ya speaking of that I'm no KD fan or GS fan but you can't help but feel bad for the guy. Plus that was a world class scumbag move by the Rap fans to cheer a guy when he goes down like that. It almost makes you wanna see the dubs pull this off to stick it to those people.

[Revived]

If the Suns still had Aaron Nelson, I wouldn’t have minded the Suns throwing crazy $$ at Durant even though he won’t play next season.

He’ll still only be 32 when he returns which isn’t ancient.

Edit: Nvm. Completely forgot we have zero cap space or close to it.

[lilfishi22]

With recent news the 2020 offseason is starting to look like it might have potential:

• Durant Achilles injury - I'm expecting him to opt in now
• AD trade - a dark horse team might give the Pelicans a offer they can't refuse in an attempt to convince him to stay like OKC did what Paul George and Toronto is trying to do with Leonard. E.g. I could see Boston swinging for the fences in an attempt to stay relevant. This would make is far more likely that AD becomes a free agent in 2020.
• Kristaps Porzingis move and recovery with dallas doesn't make him an automatic extension candidate. The mavs may pick up his option instead, which would make Porzingis a free agent in 2020.

Then there are a couple of interesting free agents as well. Our front office should play it smart this offseason and keep enough capspace for a max signing in 2020. If the Suns stay healthy and show promise this year we might be a dark horse to pick up a difference maker in free agency.

Am I crazy to think that teams would *STILL* max out Durant even with this? Especially the Knicks. They'd max him out even if he was losing a leg

[Slim Charless]

With recent news the 2020 offseason is starting to look like it might have potential:

• Durant Achilles injury - I'm expecting him to opt in now
• AD trade - a dark horse team might give the Pelicans a offer they can't refuse in an attempt to convince him to stay like OKC did what Paul George and Toronto is trying to do with Leonard. E.g. I could see Boston swinging for the fences in an attempt to stay relevant. This would make is far more likely that AD becomes a free agent in 2020.
• Kristaps Porzingis move and recovery with dallas doesn't make him an automatic extension candidate. The mavs may pick up his option instead, which would make Porzingis a free agent in 2020.

Then there are a couple of interesting free agents as well. Our front office should play it smart this offseason and keep enough capspace for a max signing in 2020. If the Suns stay healthy and show promise this year we might be a dark horse to pick up a difference maker in free agency.

Am I crazy to think that teams would *STILL* max out Durant even with this? Especially the Knicks. They'd max him out even if he was losing a leg

I was thinking the same thing in regards to NYK. It's not like he didn't look good before he went down-he was shooting lights out. They dont care, they'll max still, sit him the whole year and try again with a 2020 high pick and w/e cap room they make.

Does this completely close the door on him coming back with possible shadyness in regards to GS medical staff or will he decide to return and run it back b/c he wanted to play just that much and their med staff had nothing to do with it? Drama this summer

[lilfishi22]

With recent news the 2020 offseason is starting to look like it might have potential:

• Durant Achilles injury - I'm expecting him to opt in now
• AD trade - a dark horse team might give the Pelicans a offer they can't refuse in an attempt to convince him to stay like OKC did what Paul George and Toronto is trying to do with Leonard. E.g. I could see Boston swinging for the fences in an attempt to stay relevant. This would make is far more likely that AD becomes a free agent in 2020.
• Kristaps Porzingis move and recovery with dallas doesn't make him an automatic extension candidate. The mavs may pick up his option instead, which would make Porzingis a free agent in 2020.

Then there are a couple of interesting free agents as well. Our front office should play it smart this offseason and keep enough capspace for a max signing in 2020. If the Suns stay healthy and show promise this year we might be a dark horse to pick up a difference maker in free agency.

Am I crazy to think that teams would *STILL* max out Durant even with this? Especially the Knicks. They'd max him out even if he was losing a leg

I was thinking the same thing in regards to NYK. It's not like he didn't look good before he went down-he was shooting lights out. They dont care, they'll max still, sit him the whole year and try again with a 2020 high pick and w/e cap room they make.

Does this completely close the door on him coming back with possible shadyness in regards to GS medical staff or will he decide to return and run it back b/c he wanted to play just that much and their med staff had nothing to do with it? Drama this summer

Apparently after he got off the court, he was in the locker room with his agent and wouldn't let anyone else (GS staff etc) in there. I'm pretty sure he was done with the Warriors anyway and this basically shuts the door on any thoughts of coming back. If I was KD, I'd be pretty pissed. I'm sure he had a lot of indirect pressure to play, he caved to it and now this happens.

[offset]

I was just thinking. The Durant injury might help the Knicks land AD. If the Knicks still sign Durant and he has to miss all of next year then their 2020 draft pick is more valuable in a package for AD. The Knicks will have to trade all their assets for AD and AD proved with the Pelicans that he can't single handily carry a team. If Durant was playing next year then the 2020 pick probably would have been a super late pick, but with him sidelined the 2020 pick will probably be fringe lottery and maybe better. The Durant injury actually increased the Knicks future tradable assets.

I think it’s the other way around and AD is now headed to our division...
The only way for Knicks to contend next year if they traded everything for AD was to pair him with KD. Now they will be worried about resigning AD like Boston.

AD already said he would resign with the Knicks, and Durant will be healthy by the time his contract is up.