All I can say is thank goodness the suns are good this year because this chargers team is hella frustrating. I still feel like punching a hole in the wall lol. Oh well, at least we have Herbert for the next decade+, but gotta win with him on a rookie contract. That game is just so full of regrets wishing we could have just kicked field goals and wishing we could freaking tackle hahabwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
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matt131 wrote:All I can say is thank goodness the suns are good this year because this chargers team is hella frustrating. I still feel like punching a hole in the wall lol. Oh well, at least we have Herbert for the next decade+, but gotta win with him on a rookie contract. That game is just so full of regrets wishing we could have just kicked field goals and wishing we could freaking tackle hahabwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
I am much much more heartbroken and nervous during Chargers losses, especially gut punches, back breaker types. Maybe because there have been SO many "almosts" over the years. But I think the main thing is because one game means SO much more. I can't get worked up at all over 1 loss in the NBA, or even a couple in a row.
Even a regular season loss in a close playoff race in the NFL seems more important than one playoff loss early in a 7 game series.
But lets face it, the Chiefs are loaded and have the best young QB ever, and Herbert isn't far behind him, and in some respects may be better.
I just don't understand how the D is so bad. They are pretty healthy. But I think missing Asante Samuel Jr and Derwin James Jr late really hurt the pass D. TeVaughn Campbell sucks too.
I was a little surprised to see Chargers fans (or at least those with logos) posting in the Suns game thread while Chargers/Chiefs division lead battle on TNF near the end of the season was going on (garrick, Skybill, etc).
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matt131 wrote:All I can say is thank goodness the suns are good this year because this chargers team is hella frustrating. I still feel like punching a hole in the wall lol. Oh well, at least we have Herbert for the next decade+, but gotta win with him on a rookie contract. That game is just so full of regrets wishing we could have just kicked field goals and wishing we could freaking tackle hahabwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
This is pretty crazy. Having him out in the 4th and OT hurt...

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bwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
It was such a typical Chargers game, did you expect the end to be any different really? I wasn’t even surprised.
Chargers really miss Hunter Henry btw. He’s not killing it with NE but Jared Cook is so damn awful at catching the ball, he drops so damn many and I know Henry never had that problem.
To go from Gates and Henry to butter fingers Jared Cook has been painful. They need to draft a better TE next draft and get rid of Cook immediately.
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Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
It was such a typical Chargers game, did you expect the end to be any different really? I wasn’t even surprised.
Chargers really miss Hunter Henry btw. He’s not killing it with NE but Jared Cook is so damn awful at catching the ball, he drops so damn many and I know Henry never had that problem.
To go from Gates and Henry to butter fingers Jared Cook has been painful. They need to draft a better TE next draft and get rid of Cook immediately.
I like Cook and Parham. I dind't want to lose Henry but he wasn't worth that kind of money. Cook has been mostly very good. Bad drop in that game though.
Losing the coin toss was the killer along with losing Derwin James..I think I posted that graphic up above here...if not I will.
It might not be the worst thing though. Chargers beat KC the last two times on the road but haven't beaten them at home forever, so if they meet in the playoffs....
It all depends on health too. Missing Asante Samuels Jr hurt badly because Tevaughn Campbell sucks donkey balls.
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bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Painful loss for the Chargers. I can deal with the aggressiveness, but they made those last two KC drives too easy. And despite the change in OT rules a few years back, I still think it's quite unfair to allow a team to lose never even touching the ball in OT. The Chargers should have at least gotten a possession after KC scored. I like college rules better but they should just play an entire 5th period (same time as quarter).
It was such a typical Chargers game, did you expect the end to be any different really? I wasn’t even surprised.
Chargers really miss Hunter Henry btw. He’s not killing it with NE but Jared Cook is so damn awful at catching the ball, he drops so damn many and I know Henry never had that problem.
To go from Gates and Henry to butter fingers Jared Cook has been painful. They need to draft a better TE next draft and get rid of Cook immediately.
I like Cook and Parham. I dind't want to lose Henry but he wasn't worth that kind of money. Cook has been mostly very good. Bad drop in that game though.
Losing the coin toss was the killer along with losing Derwin James..I think I posted that graphic up above here...if not I will.
It might not be the worst thing though. Chargers beat KC the last two times on the road but haven't beaten them at home forever, so if they meet in the playoffs....
It all depends on health too. Missing Asante Samuels Jr hurt badly because Tevaughn Campbell sucks donkey balls.
The depth sucks and always has been an issue. It’s why I’m not a fan of the GM Tom Telesco overall. He’s been here for like 8 years now and it’s still many of the same issues dogging the team.
Cook has way too many drops. Saints fans hated him and still hate him for his drops in key situations.
Parham is decent but he had a big drop too on the play when he got injured. Hopefully he’s able to even play football again.
And yeah Derwin James injury was a bummer. He’s a great player but he’s way too injury prone. He’s already missed like half the games since he’s entered the league. Not sure I would pay him a big contract for a guy that’s so injury prone.
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Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:It was such a typical Chargers game, did you expect the end to be any different really? I wasn’t even surprised.
Chargers really miss Hunter Henry btw. He’s not killing it with NE but Jared Cook is so damn awful at catching the ball, he drops so damn many and I know Henry never had that problem.
To go from Gates and Henry to butter fingers Jared Cook has been painful. They need to draft a better TE next draft and get rid of Cook immediately.
I like Cook and Parham. I dind't want to lose Henry but he wasn't worth that kind of money. Cook has been mostly very good. Bad drop in that game though.
Losing the coin toss was the killer along with losing Derwin James..I think I posted that graphic up above here...if not I will.
It might not be the worst thing though. Chargers beat KC the last two times on the road but haven't beaten them at home forever, so if they meet in the playoffs....
It all depends on health too. Missing Asante Samuels Jr hurt badly because Tevaughn Campbell sucks donkey balls.
The depth sucks and always has been an issue. It’s why I’m not a fan of the GM Tom Telesco overall. He’s been here for like 8 years now and it’s still many of the same issues dogging the team.
Cook has way too many drops. Saints fans hated him and still hate him for his drops in key situations.
Parham is decent but he had a big drop too on the play when he got injured. Hopefully he’s able to even play football again.
And yeah Derwin James injury was a bummer. He’s a great player but he’s way too injury prone. He’s already missed like half the games since he’s entered the league. Not sure I would pay him a big contract for a guy that’s so injury prone.
Parham made a great catch and had it all the way down until he landed and injured his head severely. That was the only reason he dropped. He is usually money. Cook has been pretty good overall, especially for the price.
Gates was great, but all 3 of them have catch %s in the 60s...Gates was actually between 57% and 62% his last 3 years. Parham's catch % is elite this year. 74% which is better than any year Gates had and quite a bit better than Kelce this year (68%).
Cook could catch more but he has had some key big 3rd down catches. That likely td drop really hurt in that game though. He's a solid blocker though. I think they signed him more for that
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I like Cook and Parham. I dind't want to lose Henry but he wasn't worth that kind of money. Cook has been mostly very good. Bad drop in that game though.
Losing the coin toss was the killer along with losing Derwin James..I think I posted that graphic up above here...if not I will.
It might not be the worst thing though. Chargers beat KC the last two times on the road but haven't beaten them at home forever, so if they meet in the playoffs....
It all depends on health too. Missing Asante Samuels Jr hurt badly because Tevaughn Campbell sucks donkey balls.
The depth sucks and always has been an issue. It’s why I’m not a fan of the GM Tom Telesco overall. He’s been here for like 8 years now and it’s still many of the same issues dogging the team.
Cook has way too many drops. Saints fans hated him and still hate him for his drops in key situations.
Parham is decent but he had a big drop too on the play when he got injured. Hopefully he’s able to even play football again.
And yeah Derwin James injury was a bummer. He’s a great player but he’s way too injury prone. He’s already missed like half the games since he’s entered the league. Not sure I would pay him a big contract for a guy that’s so injury prone.
Parham made a great catch and had it all the way down until he landed and injured his head severely. That was the only reason he dropped. He is usually money. Cook has been pretty good overall, especially for the price.
Gates was great, but all 3 of them have catch %s in the 60s...Gates was actually between 57% and 62% his last 3 years. Parham's catch % is elite this year. 74% which is better than any year Gates had and quite a bit better than Kelce this year (68%).
Cook could catch more but he has had some key big 3rd down catches. That likely td drop really hurt in that game though. He's a solid blocker though. I think they signed him more for that
I think your mixing up Cook with Anderson, Cook is not a good blocker at all.
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3.) Cook is well-known for being a threat in the passing game but that’s at the cost of not being a big contributor as a run-blocker. How did the Saints work around this issue with Cook? How often was he actually asked to block in the run game?
“Not often. The Saints have had other tight ends who were primarily responsible for blocking (or chipping), so it was just not something Jared Cook was asked to do often.”
Cook also is not a good blocker, which is kind of a big deal as Parham is not that polished of a blocker, either. Pro Football Focus gave Cook a 57.6 run-blocking grade last season.
https://boltbeat.com/2021/03/18/la-chargers-news-jared-cook-grade/
He’s not a blocking TE at all and Lombardi definitely knew that from their time together with the Saints.
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Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:The depth sucks and always has been an issue. It’s why I’m not a fan of the GM Tom Telesco overall. He’s been here for like 8 years now and it’s still many of the same issues dogging the team.
Cook has way too many drops. Saints fans hated him and still hate him for his drops in key situations.
Parham is decent but he had a big drop too on the play when he got injured. Hopefully he’s able to even play football again.
And yeah Derwin James injury was a bummer. He’s a great player but he’s way too injury prone. He’s already missed like half the games since he’s entered the league. Not sure I would pay him a big contract for a guy that’s so injury prone.
Parham made a great catch and had it all the way down until he landed and injured his head severely. That was the only reason he dropped. He is usually money. Cook has been pretty good overall, especially for the price.
Gates was great, but all 3 of them have catch %s in the 60s...Gates was actually between 57% and 62% his last 3 years. Parham's catch % is elite this year. 74% which is better than any year Gates had and quite a bit better than Kelce this year (68%).
Cook could catch more but he has had some key big 3rd down catches. That likely td drop really hurt in that game though. He's a solid blocker though. I think they signed him more for that
I think your mixing up Cook with Anderson, Cook is not a good blocker at all.
And3.) Cook is well-known for being a threat in the passing game but that’s at the cost of not being a big contributor as a run-blocker. How did the Saints work around this issue with Cook? How often was he actually asked to block in the run game?
“Not often. The Saints have had other tight ends who were primarily responsible for blocking (or chipping), so it was just not something Jared Cook was asked to do often.”Cook also is not a good blocker, which is kind of a big deal as Parham is not that polished of a blocker, either. Pro Football Focus gave Cook a 57.6 run-blocking grade last season.
https://boltbeat.com/2021/03/18/la-chargers-news-jared-cook-grade/
He’s not a blocking TE at all and Lombardi definitely knew that from their time together with the Saints.
Interesting. That's what Popper said when the Chargers signed him. He's obviously a blocker since he had over 150, just not one of the best of them I guess. And that was a couple years ago.
But back to drops. He has had 6 this year out of 71 targets, but last year he had only 2 and the year before 4.

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Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:matt131 wrote:4:20 mark to about 5:22 of the latest Lowe post podcast, Zach talks briefly about the suns and how good we've been and how he doesn't care about our easy schedule. Mentioned we are just good at everything. Incredibly brief, but still nice to hear.BobbieL wrote:.Revived wrote:.garrick wrote:Skybill40 wrote:.
How about that Sunday night football game?
What a game lol. Very Chargers esque with the giving up a 17 pt lead but thankfully able to win it at the end.
Mike Williams gets left wide open by defenses so often especially on end of game situations. Its happened multiple times before, it’s very interesting.
If the Chargers lose to the Texans this will be FAR worse and more embarrassing than the Suns losing to the Warriors. FAR FAR more meaningful given the playoff race too. And it will really bother me. Pathetic so far.
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bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
How about that Sunday night football game?
What a game lol. Very Chargers esque with the giving up a 17 pt lead but thankfully able to win it at the end.
Mike Williams gets left wide open by defenses so often especially on end of game situations. Its happened multiple times before, it’s very interesting.
If the Chargers lose to the Texans this will be FAR worse and more embarrassing than the Suns losing to the Warriors. FAR FAR more meaningful given the playoff race too. And it will really bother me. Pathetic so far.
Don’t disagree with anything you said here.
Humiliating. Really hope Telesco is fired I hate that man. He’s responsible for this team having zero depth.
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Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:What a game lol. Very Chargers esque with the giving up a 17 pt lead but thankfully able to win it at the end.
Mike Williams gets left wide open by defenses so often especially on end of game situations. Its happened multiple times before, it’s very interesting.
If the Chargers lose to the Texans this will be FAR worse and more embarrassing than the Suns losing to the Warriors. FAR FAR more meaningful given the playoff race too. And it will really bother me. Pathetic so far.
Don’t disagree with anything you said here.
Humiliating. Really hope Telesco is fired I hate that man. He’s responsible for this team having zero depth.
The run D sucks regardless. I guess it's ok if Justin Jones plays but he's out so much. Then of course with Bosa, Asante Samuel Jr, Davis (who is Samuel's backup), Derwin James banged up, then on offense no Linsley, Ekeler, Mike Williams, Guyton or Parham.
I don't know about Slater...he was out last week. The int before halftime killed them. Would have made it like 19-10.Instead Houston turns it into points and it's 17-12 the other way at the half.
Lots of guys out but Houston had 23 guys or something on the COVID list too. Talk about guys playing like they want it. Houston guys fighting for their jobs I guess and Chargers probably thinking a win is in the bag and now they are out of the playoffs for now and likely have to win out to have a shot.
Regardless of players out though, this should be a win.
Staley bothers me a bit. He's a good talker and smart but the team seems to be motivated and then not motivated, and then their run D almost always sucks, their special teams is usually still bad, and they rarely win big, even against bad teams.
I got to where Lynn made me irate last year but there were times last year with more injuries and no offensive line where the Chargers looked elite and built huge leads on KC, TB, and NO, before conservative coaching and miscues cost the team those games. The peaks of last year the team looked better. There are time the Chargers peak well this year and overall they are better with fewer boneheaded decisions but they also have an at least somewhat healthy Derwin James, two stud rookies and a solid OL. They SHOULD be a lot better.
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Me vs you for the chip. Good luck this weekend
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Slim Charless wrote:Kyler Murray wrote:Waiting to see some more votes. I can fill last spots with a friend or 2. I'll give it a couple more days then I'm creating a league.
Me vs you for the chip. Good luck this weekend
Looks like you are favored by 11. https://fantasy.espn.com/football/boxscore?leagueId=1871448217&matchupPeriodId=17&seasonId=2021&teamId=8
And Puff had the second highest score last week, just unfortunate he was playing you. Pretty competitive season with 4 teams at 7-7, one at 6-8, one at 8-6. Kyler ahead at 11-3 though. Should be a good championship.
You split the season series. As for your real teams, interesting the Chiefs start 3-4 and are now 11-4 and the Cards start 7-0 and are 3-5 since. Of course Kyler was out and missing D Hop in at least one game when he got back. Things are a lot tougher for him when he can't just lob it up for him.
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bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Kyler Murray wrote:Waiting to see some more votes. I can fill last spots with a friend or 2. I'll give it a couple more days then I'm creating a league.
Me vs you for the chip. Good luck this weekend
Looks like you are favored by 11. https://fantasy.espn.com/football/boxscore?leagueId=1871448217&matchupPeriodId=17&seasonId=2021&teamId=8
And Puff had the second highest score last week, just unfortunate he was playing you. Pretty competitive season with 4 teams at 7-7, one at 6-8, one at 8-6. Kyler ahead at 11-3 though. Should be a good championship.
You split the season series. As for your real teams, interesting the Chiefs start 3-4 and are now 11-4 and the Cards start 7-0 and are 3-5 since. Of course Kyler was out and missing D Hop in at least one game when he got back. Things are a lot tougher for him when he can't just lob it up for him.
I'm actually worried about the Bengals. They're good and can legit win this weekend. I'm not sure KC's secondary can handle them plus Mixon is no joke either.
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Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
Me vs you for the chip. Good luck this weekend
Looks like you are favored by 11. https://fantasy.espn.com/football/boxscore?leagueId=1871448217&matchupPeriodId=17&seasonId=2021&teamId=8
And Puff had the second highest score last week, just unfortunate he was playing you. Pretty competitive season with 4 teams at 7-7, one at 6-8, one at 8-6. Kyler ahead at 11-3 though. Should be a good championship.
You split the season series. As for your real teams, interesting the Chiefs start 3-4 and are now 11-4 and the Cards start 7-0 and are 3-5 since. Of course Kyler was out and missing D Hop in at least one game when he got back. Things are a lot tougher for him when he can't just lob it up for him.
I'm actually worried about the Bengals. They're good and can legit win this weekend. I'm not sure KC's secondary can handle them plus Mixon is no joke either.
Yeah, they are good but inconsistent. The Chargers beat them pretty badly. The Chiefs are playing as well as anyone. It kind of sucks for the Chargers that Carson Wentz is out. They play the Raiders who the Chargers are tied with...though if the Chargers win out they should finish ahead of the Raiders I think anyway. But I don't think the Colts miss the playoffs even if they lose this one. Good conf record which is tiebreaker among multiple teams and a game ahead of others aside from New England who I don't expect to lose either. I figure there is one spot up for grabs between Miami, Baltimore, LAC, LV, and maybe Pitt, Den, Clev though those are long shots, particularly the last two. Chargers really took a huge blow when they blew that game against the Texans.
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bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Looks like you are favored by 11. https://fantasy.espn.com/football/boxscore?leagueId=1871448217&matchupPeriodId=17&seasonId=2021&teamId=8
And Puff had the second highest score last week, just unfortunate he was playing you. Pretty competitive season with 4 teams at 7-7, one at 6-8, one at 8-6. Kyler ahead at 11-3 though. Should be a good championship.
You split the season series. As for your real teams, interesting the Chiefs start 3-4 and are now 11-4 and the Cards start 7-0 and are 3-5 since. Of course Kyler was out and missing D Hop in at least one game when he got back. Things are a lot tougher for him when he can't just lob it up for him.
I'm actually worried about the Bengals. They're good and can legit win this weekend. I'm not sure KC's secondary can handle them plus Mixon is no joke either.
Yeah, they are good but inconsistent. The Chargers beat them pretty badly. The Chiefs are playing as well as anyone. It kind of sucks for the Chargers that Carson Wentz is out. They play the Raiders who the Chargers are tied with...though if the Chargers win out they should finish ahead of the Raiders I think anyway. But I don't think the Colts miss the playoffs even if they lose this one. Good conf record which is tiebreaker among multiple teams and a game ahead of others aside from New England who I don't expect to lose either. I figure there is one spot up for grabs between Miami, Baltimore, LAC, LV, and maybe Pitt, Den, Clev though those are long shots, particularly the last two. Chargers really took a huge blow when they blew that game against the Texans.
Think you guys will still make it. Hopefully the Pats lose to Miami at the end of the season....and Jacksonville this weekend. Would love to see them go down lol.