Ayton: Post Suns Haters

[lonea]

Lol people talk about his rebounding… meanwhile he’s getting paid max dollar for rebounding

LOL

[bwgood77]

Siakam has averaged 8.5 and 7.8 the last two years. Very solid for a PF.

Ayton's backup last night, Jabari Walker averages more per 36 than RWIII anyway.

Ayton is leading the NBA in rebounding. He is averaging 20 per 36. RWIII, despite playing fewer minutes, so having more energy, is averaging 8.9 per 36.

Strange arguments you have there.

Right back at you broksi.

You hang your hat on 4 games when it comes to DA and in the same breath refuse evidence that Toronto has been a crappy rebounding team in that same timeframe even though the numbers show it. Games like his turds vs. top tier competition (i.e. Embiid) shhhhh don't talk about that.

Jabrari Walker isn't even a true center and dude played a whopping 15mins. I couldn't care less what his "per 36 is" which is a very manipulative stat when it comes to deep bench guys who don't get significant minutes. No man on this planet would play him over Timelord when both are healthy so what are we even talking about.

It's just funny to me how much praise this guy needs for REBOUNDING - on a team with a relatively thin front line and a bunch of chuckers bombing away. Again the guy had 4 games of > 20 boards with the Suns and 26 of > 16 boards. It didn't translate into much outside of the '21 season. Based on his talent alone he SHOULD be averaging at least 10 boards a game. Now if he persists this year with some crazy number in the upper teens I'll gladly admit his effort has gone up.

Sure every C has turd rebounding games. He still rebounds better than most Cs...especially those in the first 5 years in his career. But often those with more experience rebounding vs NBA competition will outdo him. Especially MVP guys, but Embiid barely has averaged more in his career in more minutes.

I'm unsure why you are knocking him after a 23 rebound game. He is doing better in every area so far pretty much but isn't getting many shots....his team sucks.

You could argue A LOT of Cs SHOULD avg 10 a game, but typically only around 10 do, and he has every year in his first 5 years. Embiid didn't do that. Jokic didn't. AD didn't. Gobert didn't. Capela didn't. Sabonis didn't. Most all of the guys who average over 10 now took a while to get there. Most of those guys listed took until their 3rd or 4th year.

[KdoubleDees23]

Lol people talk about his rebounding… meanwhile he’s getting paid max dollar for rebounding

LOL

#1 rebounder right now Domantas Sabonis - 30 mill (2023) 42 mill (2024)
#2 rebounder right now Deandre Ayton - $32 mill (2023) 34 mill (2024)
#3 rebounder right now AD - $40 mill (2023) $43 mill (2024)
#4 rebounder right now Rudy Gobert - $41 mill (2023) $43 mill (2024)

Yep gotta pay for rebounding.

[spanishninja]

Lol people talk about his rebounding… meanwhile he’s getting paid max dollar for rebounding

LOL

#1 rebounder right now Domantas Sabonis - 30 mill (2023) 42 mill (2024)
#2 rebounder right now Deandre Ayton - $32 mill (2023) 34 mill (2024)
#3 rebounder right now AD - $40 mill (2023) $43 mill (2024)
#4 rebounder right now Rudy Gobert - $41 mill (2023) $43 mill (2024)

Yep gotta pay for rebounding.

Sabonis also averages 18 points and 6 assists
AD also averages 26 points and 4.3 stocks
even Gobert offers more offense.

[Qwigglez]

Just move on already.

[enigmatics]

Siakam has averaged 8.5 and 7.8 the last two years. Very solid for a PF.

Ayton's backup last night, Jabari Walker averages more per 36 than RWIII anyway.

Ayton is leading the NBA in rebounding. He is averaging 20 per 36. RWIII, despite playing fewer minutes, so having more energy, is averaging 8.9 per 36.

Strange arguments you have there.

Right back at you broksi.

You hang your hat on 4 games when it comes to DA and in the same breath refuse evidence that Toronto has been a crappy rebounding team in that same timeframe even though the numbers show it. Games like his turds vs. top tier competition (i.e. Embiid) shhhhh don't talk about that.

Jabrari Walker isn't even a true center and dude played a whopping 15mins. I couldn't care less what his "per 36 is" which is a very manipulative stat when it comes to deep bench guys who don't get significant minutes. No man on this planet would play him over Timelord when both are healthy so what are we even talking about.

It's just funny to me how much praise this guy needs for REBOUNDING - on a team with a relatively thin front line and a bunch of chuckers bombing away. Again the guy had 4 games of > 20 boards with the Suns and 26 of > 16 boards. It didn't translate into much outside of the '21 season. Based on his talent alone he SHOULD be averaging at least 10 boards a game. Now if he persists this year with some crazy number in the upper teens I'll gladly admit his effort has gone up.

Sure every C has turd rebounding games. He still rebounds better than most Cs...especially those in the first 5 years in his career. But often those with more experience rebounding vs NBA competition will outdo him. Especially MVP guys, but Embiid barely has averaged more in his career in more minutes.

I'm unsure why you are knocking him after a 23 rebound game. He is doing better in every area so far pretty much but isn't getting many shots....his team sucks.

You could argue A LOT of Cs SHOULD avg 10 a game, but typically only around 10 do, and he has every year in his first 5 years. Embiid didn't do that. Jokic didn't. AD didn't. Gobert didn't. Capela didn't. Sabonis didn't. Most all of the guys who average over 10 now took a while to get there. Most of those guys listed took until their 3rd or 4th year.

It's not really a knock.

I credited him for the performance (particularly the 7 offensive boards), but also acknowledged who it was against, no other real help on the boards, and discussed that we've seen games like that out of him.

[bigfoot]

One thing is absolutely certain about DA ... he provides high entertainment value on this board.

[kennydorglas]

We could've just drafted Luka and avoided all this mess lol

[garrick]

We could've just drafted Luka and avoided all this mess lol

There's no telling what kind of a team we would have had we drafted Luka.

So far he hasn't shown he can play well with another superstar and his attitude and his play style is so ball dominant and ugly it's entirely possible he wouldn't mesh with Booker at all.

[sashaturiaf]

One thing is absolutely certain about DA ... he provides high entertainment value on this board.

And it's a WHOLE lot more entertaining when he's not on your team.

[sunskerr]

We could've just drafted Luka and avoided all this mess lol

There's no telling what kind of a team we would have had we drafted Luka.

So far he hasn't shown he can play well with another superstar and his attitude and his play style is so ball dominant and ugly it's entirely possible he wouldn't mesh with Booker at all.

People say this but I think it is pretty tough to look in hindsight in this manner. We can't see the future in 2018 all the way to 2023 so we cannot actually claim things like "he wouldn't mesh" when talking from 2023 back to 2018. And if we still want to keep our opinions of what Luka is now when talking hindsight, well, you still have to take Luka because he's averaging 30/10/10 or whatever it is.

The simplest thing is to just suck it up, admit we should have drafted Luka, and learn from it.

I don't think Jones is sitting in his office thinking "well, Luka has x qualities so its ok we didn't draft him". Absolutely not. He's learning how to get better at drafting and scouting.

[Desertfox]

Ya'll realize our player development sucks right? We could have drafted Luka and he could very well have been traded already after averaging 15/5, while Ayton be dropping 30/20 for someone else.

[garrick]

We could've just drafted Luka and avoided all this mess lol

There's no telling what kind of a team we would have had we drafted Luka.

So far he hasn't shown he can play well with another superstar and his attitude and his play style is so ball dominant and ugly it's entirely possible he wouldn't mesh with Booker at all.

People say this but I think it is pretty tough to look in hindsight in this manner. We can't see the future in 2018 all the way to 2023 so we cannot actually claim things like "he wouldn't mesh" when talking from 2023 back to 2018. And if we still want to keep our opinions of what Luka is now when talking hindsight, well, you still have to take Luka because he's averaging 30/10/10 or whatever it is.

The simplest thing is to just suck it up, admit we should have drafted Luka, and learn from it.

I don't think Jones is sitting in his office thinking "well, Luka has x qualities so its ok we didn't draft him". Absolutely not. He's learning how to get better at drafting and scouting.

Is JJ learning though?

Nothing really proves that and he seems to always prefer older rookies like Mikail and Cam but generally he hasn't liked drafting at all and has given away numerous 2nd and 1st round picks. The Jalen Smith pick was a head scratcher and most basketball pundits thought we took Jalen way too high especially with Halliburton still available.

Seems like he might have found a gem in Camara but we will have to see if he pans out.

[Calvin Klein]

We could've just drafted Luka and avoided all this mess lol

There's no telling what kind of a team we would have had we drafted Luka.

So far he hasn't shown he can play well with another superstar and his attitude and his play style is so ball dominant and ugly it's entirely possible he wouldn't mesh with Booker at all.

come on man. It's over. It's been over for years. Luka is a generational player. You draft him 100/100 and then see what happens. You think the Blazers don't regret not drafting MJ because they had Drexler??

[Boujack]

Deandre Ayton was caught in the stadium at the end of the match.

[enigmatics]

Deandre Ayton was caught in the stadium at the end of the match.

Prolly laughing about being 1-2 for sure.

[KdoubleDees23]

Deandre Ayton was caught in the stadium at the end of the match.

Prolly laughing about being 1-2 for sure.

I called it at the beginning of the year, Suns fans will get upset with Beal (he will be the one they point fingers at)

[JRoy]

Rebound % isn't great to look when looking at ranking, because a guy can play 10 mpg with tons of energy and get a lot of rebounds in those minutes since he isn't playing much, and have a high reb %.

RPG is probably the best, but you also have to compare mpg. He was usually in top 10 but also a number of the guys ahead of him played more minutes.

Yeah he isn't a bad rebounder though he can have his lapses at times. I honestly don't understand this offensive strategy from Billups and can't see Ayton or anyone aside from the guards in Portland being happy with the unstructured offense.

This Portland team needs a CP3 or Rubio type point guard and I don't think Brogdan is really the answer since he seems to be a score first type of guard and he doesn't seem to prefer PnR's since he waved off a few picks from DA this game.

It appears him and Scoot are slowly developing a little bit of chemistry...very slowly. But Sharpe and Grant have complete tunnel vision. Scoot can too but I think he is realizing he can't drive to the rim that much against NBA quality defenders because he gets blocked a lot. The paint is always super clogged. I don't know why Billups doesn't have them spread the floor.

Billups is a terrible coach.

Scoot rarely sees daylight on his drives and gets stuffed often.

[Slim Charless]

Ya'll realize our player development sucks right? We could have drafted Luka and he could very well have been traded already after averaging 15/5, while Ayton be dropping 30/20 for someone else.

Luka would do Luka things no matter where he was. That said, you're 100% correct on Ayton. Had we had a great coach who focused on DA not playing where he shouldn't be, we and he be better off.

This career high game in RBS makes it quite obvious. Treat the guy like a center and have him do center things, and he excels. Moronty didn't realize that.

[DirtyDez]

We’d all love Luka and defend him to the death if he was drafted by the Suns.