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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Fo-Real]

Wrong thread.

[bwgood77]

Ryan Dunn has a freshman in college...1.1 blk, .4 stl, Marion as a freshman was one of the best players in the country and already averaged and as a freshman averaged 2.5 stl and 1.9 blk, along with 18.7 pts and 9.3 boards (Dunn 2.6 pts, 2.9 reb).

Marion was good enough to be a top 10 pick after his freshman year when college competition with elite offense and defense against far better college competition than today.

Dunn played his soph year and got up to 2.3 blk and 1.3 stl (1/2 as many steals as Marion had as a freshman), along with his 8.1 pts and 6.9 reb.

If people even think he is better coming out, that was after another year, and he does nothing on the other side, while Marion put up a lot more numbers and had tons of energy on both sides...he was one of the best offensive rebounders I remember watching....like a pogo stick.

[sashaturiaf]

I have zero expectations for Dunn this season, his offense is way too raw and that's not something you can fix during a NBA season. Our cap situation is fked beyond belief and Dunn was the backs against the wall lets go all in pick that befits our cap and future picks situation.

As it currently stands he's not playable due to his **** offense, but in the unlikely case he can at least develop a respectable 3 point shot he will be an absolute star for his entire rookie contract

As for comparisons to the Matrix? Just no, you're setting yourself up for crushing disapppointment. Matrix was one of a kind, Josh Jackson is the more likely outcome and even he had more pedigree coming out than this guy

[enigmatics]

I have zero expectations for Dunn this season, his offense is way too raw and that's not something you can fix during a NBA season. Our cap situation is fked beyond belief and Dunn was the backs against the wall lets go all in pick that befits our cap and future picks situation.

As it currently stands he's not playable due to his **** offense, but in the unlikely case he can at least develop a respectable 3 point shot he will be an absolute star for his entire rookie contract

As for comparisons to the Matrix? Just no, you're setting yourself up for crushing disapppointment. Matrix was one of a kind, Josh Jackson is the more likely outcome and even he had more pedigree coming out than this guy

If he lives up to the defensive hype - he's playable in small ball lineups where they're spreading other teams thin with shooters.

[Slim Charless]

I have zero expectations for Dunn this season, his offense is way too raw and that's not something you can fix during a NBA season. Our cap situation is fked beyond belief and Dunn was the backs against the wall lets go all in pick that befits our cap and future picks situation.

As it currently stands he's not playable due to his **** offense, but in the unlikely case he can at least develop a respectable 3 point shot he will be an absolute star for his entire rookie contract

As for comparisons to the Matrix? Just no, you're setting yourself up for crushing disapppointment. Matrix was one of a kind, Josh Jackson is the more likely outcome and even he had more pedigree coming out than this guy

What a bad take.

So he's a 3 pointer away from being a legit star but also a worse version of Josh Jackson. OK cool. You have nvr seen the kid play have you?

Terrible take.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

7SOL team defensive stats were handicapped by the high fga of our opponents. If you looked at pps we were around the middle of the pack most of those seasons.

Overall, we were the best team in the league two of those seasons. Bad luck with injuries and whistles stole two rings from us. Could have had a bunch had things gone a bit differently. Wonder how Marion's legacy would be viewed then.

[MrMiyagi]

Turning on a kid after one summer league game.

We so predictable

[lilfishi22]

I have zero expectations for Dunn this season, his offense is way too raw and that's not something you can fix during a NBA season. Our cap situation is fked beyond belief and Dunn was the backs against the wall lets go all in pick that befits our cap and future picks situation.

As it currently stands he's not playable due to his **** offense, but in the unlikely case he can at least develop a respectable 3 point shot he will be an absolute star for his entire rookie contract

As for comparisons to the Matrix? Just no, you're setting yourself up for crushing disapppointment. Matrix was one of a kind, Josh Jackson is the more likely outcome and even he had more pedigree coming out than this guy

What a bad take.

So he's a 3 pointer away from being a legit star but also a worse version of Josh Jackson. OK cool. You have nvr seen the kid play have you?

Terrible take.

It just goes to show how difficult it is to stay in the league without being productive (and positively impactful) on the offensive end. JJ had a far better and more extensive offensive resume coming into the league compared to Dunn and Josh was also a phenomenal defensive prospect (not to the extent of Dunn). He was a top 5 prospect in that draft that busted. Having talent isn't the only thing required to stay in the league. Just like only playing one side of the ball may not keep you in the league. Dunn needs to at least been seen as a threat offensively with or without the ball and I'm not talking about just off cuts or in transition a couple of times a game.

[sashaturiaf]

I have zero expectations for Dunn this season, his offense is way too raw and that's not something you can fix during a NBA season. Our cap situation is fked beyond belief and Dunn was the backs against the wall lets go all in pick that befits our cap and future picks situation.

As it currently stands he's not playable due to his **** offense, but in the unlikely case he can at least develop a respectable 3 point shot he will be an absolute star for his entire rookie contract

As for comparisons to the Matrix? Just no, you're setting yourself up for crushing disapppointment. Matrix was one of a kind, Josh Jackson is the more likely outcome and even he had more pedigree coming out than this guy

What a bad take.

So he's a 3 pointer away from being a legit star but also a worse version of Josh Jackson. OK cool. You have nvr seen the kid play have you?

Terrible take.

I worded it poorly, I meant he's a 3 ball away from being a star for his contract. I don't have any doubts on his defense at all, but if he's an absolutely zero on offense it won't mean much in terms of being an overall positive. He doesn't need to be Kobe, just be able to knock down an open 3 is enough.

[Crives]

1-1 defense was amazing, could become best 1-1 defender in the league. Help defense was great but didn’t seem amazingly elite with impact anywhere near guys like AD/Giannis/PrimeDraymond. Hard to judge help defense on a summer team league like this though

Hopefully we see him become an absolutely elite help defender, teams just going to switch off him and avoid him being primary defender

[Saberestar]

1-1 defense was amazing, could become best 1-1 defender in the league. Help defense was great but didn’t seem amazingly elite with impact anywhere near guys like AD/Giannis/PrimeDraymond. Hard to judge help defense on a summer team league like this though

Hopefully we see him become an absolutely elite help defender, teams just going to switch off him and avoid him being primary defender

His defense is absolutely amazing and he can navigate screens or switch everything defending easily 1-4.

He just needs to improve his awareness on offense to be a two-way player. PJ Tucker was superlimited on offense but with only 2 skills he was useful enough for his teams. Those skills were offensive rebounder and 3p shot from the corner.

He has elite athleticism so he can be a threat as a finisher in transition and lobs/cuts...I would say that's 1 skill on offense. He just needs to add another one...catch&shoot 3 pointer would be perfect for him but can be another one.

He will play most minutes on offense as a PF because we have KD and Royce on the roster who can score from long range.

[bwgood77]

Turning on a kid after one summer league game.

We so predictable

No one is turning on him, but that doesn't mean he's a better defender than Marion. That's absurd. I think most people expect him to be a solid to great defender but could have trouble staying on the floor due to his lack of offensive ability, and we hope it improves.

Those with expectations that he WILL be a star if he gets a 3 pt shot, etc, are likely setting themselves up for disappointment.

[bwgood77]

1-1 defense was amazing, could become best 1-1 defender in the league. Help defense was great but didn’t seem amazingly elite with impact anywhere near guys like AD/Giannis/PrimeDraymond. Hard to judge help defense on a summer team league like this though

Hopefully we see him become an absolutely elite help defender, teams just going to switch off him and avoid him being primary defender

His defense is absolutely amazing and he can navigate screens or switch everything defending easily 1-4.

He just needs to improve his awareness on offense to be a two-way player. PJ Tucker was superlimited on offense but with only 2 skills he was useful enough for his teams. Those skills were offensive rebounder and 3p shot from the corner.

He has elite athleticism so he can be a threat as a finisher in transition and lobs/cuts...I would say that's 1 skill on offense. He just needs to add another one...catch&shoot 3 pointer would be perfect for him but can be another one.

He will play most minutes on offense as a PF because we have KD and Royce on the roster who can score from long range.

Yeah, if he could end up a PJ Tucker that would be awesome. Anything above that would be gravy. He's got a lot of time and I think a good work ethic, so lets be hopeful.

[Qwigglez]

Turning on a kid after one summer league game.

We so predictable

No one is turning on him, but that doesn't mean he's a better defender than Marion. That's absurd. I think most people expect him to be a solid to great defender but could have trouble staying on the floor due to his lack of offensive ability, and we hope it improves.

Those with expectations that he WILL be a star if he gets a 3 pt shot, etc, are likely setting themselves up for disappointment.

I'm turning on him. Once the three-month period after teams sign players is over where they are trade-eligible, I expect an immediate Torrey Craig deal for Ryan Dunn to occur.

I just hope Dunn finds his niche in the NBA. He doesn't have to develop a 3-pointer quickly (though it would help him). Jimmy Butler is a guy that only played half of his rookie season due to DNP's Coach's decision (my assumption) and barely got 8-9 minutes in a game. He worked on his craft and became 2nd team all defense in his 3rd season, with terrible efficiency on offense I might add.

It all depends on Dunn's attitude and his work ethic on what he may become. For a kid to be making $2.5 million salary at 21 years old, IDK it's hard to predict if they are hungry enough to make more or if they care about basketball anymore at that point.

[Saberestar]

1-1 defense was amazing, could become best 1-1 defender in the league. Help defense was great but didn’t seem amazingly elite with impact anywhere near guys like AD/Giannis/PrimeDraymond. Hard to judge help defense on a summer team league like this though

Hopefully we see him become an absolutely elite help defender, teams just going to switch off him and avoid him being primary defender

His defense is absolutely amazing and he can navigate screens or switch everything defending easily 1-4.

He just needs to improve his awareness on offense to be a two-way player. PJ Tucker was superlimited on offense but with only 2 skills he was useful enough for his teams. Those skills were offensive rebounder and 3p shot from the corner.

He has elite athleticism so he can be a threat as a finisher in transition and lobs/cuts...I would say that's 1 skill on offense. He just needs to add another one...catch&shoot 3 pointer would be perfect for him but can be another one.

He will play most minutes on offense as a PF because we have KD and Royce on the roster who can score from long range.

Yeah, if he could end up a PJ Tucker that would be awesome. Anything above that would be gravy. He's got a lot of time and I think a good work ethic, so lets be hopeful.

An interesting point about Dunn...

I think that he can "easily" have a long career in the NBA because at 21 he already has an elite skill... and that skill is on high demand and well rewarded since the last All-Star.

I wouldn't be so confident about him one year ago, but Adam Silver got the message and the refs are allowing players to play defense finally in RS and even more in the playoffs.

Players who are great at that have more value now and higher potential just for that.

I would say that PJ Tucker (or Crowder) would be a solid outcome for him but I wouldn't call it "awesome" because his physical profile and his defensive instincts are crazy good.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I just don't understand the timeline.

Win now but spend our main asset on a long term project.

[Slim Charless]

I just don't understand the timeline.

Win now but spend our main asset on a long term project.

Well then you're very slow....

Spoiler:

to catch on to how this is a win now move

But I'll try and guide you. Like helping someone through basic algebra.

What part of "lock down defender" do you not understand?

What part of "our defense was completely diced by Minnesota" do you not understand? Even during the year it was awful. KD was our best defensive player for long stretches of the year. That cannot happen again.

We'll go with these questions first. Then we can break it down from there.

[lilfishi22]

I just don't understand the timeline.

Win now but spend our main asset on a long term project.

Well then you're very slow....

Spoiler:

to catch on to how this is a win now move

But I'll try and guide you. Like helping someone through basic algebra.

What part of "lock down defender" do you not understand?

What part of "our defense was completely diced by Minnesota" do you not understand? Even during the year it was awful. KD was our best defensive player for long stretches of the year. That cannot happen again.

We'll go with these questions first. Then we can break it down from there.

Might help to get your point across if you weren't being so condescending in all your replies because someone else doesn't share your views

[WeekapaugGroove]

I just don't understand the timeline.

Win now but spend our main asset on a long term project.

He was a late first round pick, this isn't some valuable asset that easily could have been used for some team changing player. The fact is most guys picked in this range won't amount to anything. Maybe he'll help and maybe he'll be in Europe in 3 years.. shrug

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