The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[AtheJ415]

McD and Babby had been hyping our draft picks, young talent and cap space coming into this offseason. the offseason came and those assets weren't used to improve our team over last years team. That's why I am disappoint with this offseason


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You will not be dissapointed with Warren.

This. He hyped our picks, which we used on young talent we believe will help our team. Of all of those the only thing that didn't pan out was cap space, but what do you want the FO to do? Blow it on mediocre players? There were a couple guys worth a max that we swung for and missed. I'd rather we keep that space until we find a guy we really think is worth it. Spending it on the Luol Deng's of the world was not the way to go.

[lilfishi22]

And about other free agents, I agree....it was basically Love or bust. I actually would have been happy to sign Hawes even for a decent amount of money, just because he was better than Frye at 3 and at blocking and would have allowed Kief to flourish if they played together and given our center/PF rotation a little depth. But we did get Tolliver so we will see how that works out. And I think the IT signing was a great one. It seemed odd at the time, but the more I think about it, and with our system, it was a great one and he seems like a great dude.

If there is any negatives that stood out this offseason was probably the Hawes non-signing. The guy was the perfect replacement for Frye, he's younger, better defender, shot just as well if not better and cheaper. I think we really let that one slip through.

[Kerrsed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9drdg7

Hawks get Monroe
Pistons get Bledsoe
Suns get Milsap/Jennings

[NoKneeBledsoe]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9drdg7

Hawks get Monroe
Pistons get Bledsoe
Suns get Milsap/Jennings

Throw me a pick to or throw in!!

I like Jennings but I don't think he will fit our system

[NavLDO]

Been lurking the board for about a year or two...but quite a bit over the past 9 months or so. This is by far the best and most active Suns forum with some really knowledgeable fans, so thanks for keeping abreast of current news for the past couple of years.

Been a Suns fan since the mid-80s. Really loved the KJ, Majerle, Hornacek, Barkley years. Lived in Phoenix/Flagstaff(NAU) from 1980 - 1994. But then joined the Navy and have only been back on vacations and such.

Anyway, about this Bledsoe situation, I'm pretty much in line with the group that's willing to wait to see what happens at the start of the season. I'm in no rush to make a judgment either way. If I had a preference, however, it would be to trade him, I think. His knee situation scares me and don't think we'll ever get a full season out of him. That said, we'll surely miss him not on the roster, unless we can make a solid trade for a decent value player in exchange.

So, anyway, glad to have the opportunity to discuss the Suns from time to time! Go Suns!!!!

[AtheJ415]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9drdg7

Hawks get Monroe
Pistons get Bledsoe
Suns get Milsap/Jennings

Throw me a pick to or throw in!!

I like Jennings but I don't think he will fit our system

I actually think Jennings fits better in our system than any other. His biggest attributes are speed and handles, which are more fitting in open-court styles of play. I'm not the biggest Jennings fan out there, but I think he's been on 2 teams that are just horrible fits for him.

[NBA Fiend]

The rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around again. Rondo wants to test free agency next season so the suns could lose him for nothing at all. Come one, come all how does a rondo/dragic backcourt sound. Backcourt 2015 anyone?

[Kerrsed]

The rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around again. Rondo wants to test free agency next season so the suns could lose him for nothing at all. Come one, come all how does a rondo/dragic backcourt sound. Backcourt 2015 anyone?

I think Rondo will end up in Houston. The Rockets will strike out on obtaining Dragic or Bledsoe and Rubios price will be too damn high. Boston seems like they are fine going forward with a Smart/Bradley backcourt, and they could use whatever assets the Rockets offer (HOU 1st/NOP 1st/Capella/Jones/Papanikolaou) to help them in their re-build.

Rondo/Harden/Ariza/Moti/Howard

[bwgood77]

The rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around again. Rondo wants to test free agency next season so the suns could lose him for nothing at all. Come one, come all how does a rondo/dragic backcourt sound. Backcourt 2015 anyone?

I like Rondo, but I don't want him long term. If we HAVE to get rid of Bledsoe for whatever reason it would be fun to see him and Dragic and the team together. But as we all know, McD is a huge Rondo fan and rightly feels he made a great choice with him getting him in the draft. But I would hate to see us let Dragic go to lock up Rondo. I hate guys who can't shoot though (I know I said I liked him, but in general)....I think if you run a 2 pg offense you need two guys who can shoot if need be.

I'd just really hate it if we traded Bledsoe for Rondo and then end result was maxing out Rondo to let Dragic go. It could also possibly create a difference of opinion between ownership and GM. Assets are nice to have though.

I still think everyone is jumping the gun assuming we will ultimately trade Bledsoe (at least before the season).

It is still my strong opinion he will never take the QO and will end up taking some deal. It could/will be a month from now, so I wonder if it is worth posting these recurring thoughts as people will increasingly come up with more hypothetical deals in the meantime, and nothing is likely to change. It's not like these other teams are going to have more increasing interest either if they haven't already unless Bledsoe or his agent comes out and flatly says they want a trade....and then they still don't have much leverage, eg Eric Gordon.

At this point I wish someone gave him an offer and we matched and it was over, but if we end up signing him (which I think is still the highest probability) that is better because we can trade him to wherever we want if we want.

[Jdiddy701]

I haven't seen a legit source about it so I wouldn't get too high on it. But I rather get Rondo than whatever Houston has to offer. The Suns can flip and trade Rondo right after for something decent.


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[letsgosuns]

I would take Rondo for Bledsoe right now even with Rondo being a free agent next season. I love Rondo. He is a pure winner. Plus Dragic is going to be a free agent next season too so the Suns could actually see how Rondo and Dragic play together, then either re-sign both or pick one. Rondo is a legitimate game changer. I think him and Plumlee would be deadly on the pick and roll together. Also since Rondo is such a pure point guard, Dragic could concentrate on scoring, which is what he does best.

[AtheJ415]

I want nothing to do with a player who kills all spacing on the floor and has been a chemistry concern for years. Bledsoe over Rondo every day. Bledsoe's younger with more upside too. Not to mention Rondo will want a max too.

[Revived]

Lol what a crappy offseason. The highlight this offseason was the signing and DUI of PJ Tucker


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You forgot LeBron almost choosing the Suns.

Just kiddin.

[gaspar]

The rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around again. Rondo wants to test free agency next season so the suns could lose him for nothing at all. Come one, come all how does a rondo/dragic backcourt sound. Backcourt 2015 anyone?

Bledsoe on QO >>> expiring Rondo, and it's not particularly close.

[gaspar]

And about other free agents, I agree....it was basically Love or bust. I actually would have been happy to sign Hawes even for a decent amount of money, just because he was better than Frye at 3 and at blocking and would have allowed Kief to flourish if they played together and given our center/PF rotation a little depth. But we did get Tolliver so we will see how that works out. And I think the IT signing was a great one. It seemed odd at the time, but the more I think about it, and with our system, it was a great one and he seems like a great dude.

If there is any negatives that stood out this offseason was probably the Hawes non-signing. The guy was the perfect replacement for Frye, he's younger, better defender, shot just as well if not better and cheaper. I think we really let that one slip through.

It was reported that Hawes was choosing between the Clippers and Suns and he took less money to play for a contender.

[gaspar]

And this offseason can be worse in the next few days if we trade Bledsoe for Kostas Papanikolau, Patrick Beverly, some filler and one lottery protected pick.......hopefully it is only a bad vibration that I have

You getting that feeling because you think that might be a last resort type of trade?

I'm about 93 percent certain Bledsoe is getting traded. And 7 percent goes to some weird outcome that he comes back.

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I'm 99% sure he won't be traded. No one will give him a max contract and trade valuable assets to the Suns. McDonough won't trade him for scraps, we will just dare him to take the QO.

[AtheJ415]

Lol what a crappy offseason. The highlight this offseason was the signing and DUI of PJ Tucker


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You forgot LeBron almost choosing the Suns.

Just kiddin.

I get the feeling that some have no idea how good Thomas is. We added a top 50-70 player for next to nothing imo, who is still very young with room for improvement.

We drafted a SF who has done nothing but excel (I know it's summer league, but still, I see no reason to not be optimistic about Warren's future on this team), and we kept PJ on a front-loaded deal that maintains flexibility going forward. DUI or not that's a good move.

It would've been nice to shore up the front court, but we maintained the flexibility to do that in the future and accumulated more assets to help with that. I think it's clear the club views Kieff as the PF of the future, so what we need to look for is a solidified backup PF (we'll see if Marcus can handle that), and an upgrade at the 5, either through Plumlee or Len's development. If that doesn't happen obviously we have to make a move to upgrade.

For those wanting a splash, we'll probably add to the front court during the season. In our system 3 guards can play starters minutes. We have 4 stellar guards. I expect 1 to be moved, and I think it'll be Green. He's the worst of the 4 and on a deal that is easy to move, and with our cap space we can get a guy who is on a bigger deal. I guess what I'm saying is we should wait until we see what comes of the cap space before we sit here complaining about the offseason. There's still moves to make. For instance, say we trade Green and a pick for Ryan Anderson, would everyone still wish we had signed Deng or Hawes at that point?

[AtheJ415]

And this offseason can be worse in the next few days if we trade Bledsoe for Kostas Papanikolau, Patrick Beverly, some filler and one lottery protected pick.......hopefully it is only a bad vibration that I have

You getting that feeling because you think that might be a last resort type of trade?

I'm about 93 percent certain Bledsoe is getting traded. And 7 percent goes to some weird outcome that he comes back.

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I'm 99% sure he won't be traded. No one will give him a max contract and trade valuable assets to the Suns. McDonough won't trade him for scraps, we will just dare him to take the QO.

I'll be incredibly disappointed in McDonough if we move Bledsoe for any of the deals mentioned on here (except for Horford). He has real upside and these poo poo platter deals being discussed here are ridiculous imo. Bledsoe can complain all he want, but at the end of the day, much like Batum a few years ago, he'll suck it up and play for Phoenix.

[lilfishi22]

And this offseason can be worse in the next few days if we trade Bledsoe for Kostas Papanikolau, Patrick Beverly, some filler and one lottery protected pick.......hopefully it is only a bad vibration that I have

You getting that feeling because you think that might be a last resort type of trade?

I'm about 93 percent certain Bledsoe is getting traded. And 7 percent goes to some weird outcome that he comes back.

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I'm 99% sure he won't be traded. No one will give him a max contract and trade valuable assets to the Suns. McDonough won't trade him for scraps, we will just dare him to take the QO.

+1

I see no reason why we need to short change ourselves to give Bledsoe what he wants. The guy is a pro and if it means he's playing on the QO or 48/4, I don't think he's going to cause us any problems on the court or in the locker room.

[ThatBoyNick]

The rondo/Bledsoe rumors are floating around again. Rondo wants to test free agency next season so the suns could lose him for nothing at all. Come one, come all how does a rondo/dragic backcourt sound. Backcourt 2015 anyone?

I think Rondo will end up in Houston. The Rockets will strike out on obtaining Dragic or Bledsoe and Rubios price will be too damn high. Boston seems like they are fine going forward with a Smart/Bradley backcourt, and they could use whatever assets the Rockets offer (HOU 1st/NOP 1st/Capella/Jones/Papanikolaou) to help them in their re-build.

Rondo/Harden/Ariza/Moti/Howard

Rockets also have their full TPE, and BAE to use. Lets say they get Ilyasova(or Bass) with TPE, and O'Neal with BAE.

Rondo, Beverley
Harden, Daniels
Ariza, Garcia
Ilyasova, Motiejunas
Howard, O'Neal

I'm curious from a non biased perspective, if healthy, how good would a team like that be in your guys opinions? Is it on OKC's level? better or equal to the Clips etc?