2016 Draft

[saintEscaton]

Any link to watch or download yesterday's game of Duke?

Thank you.

Best prospect in this draft IMO, definitely a tier above Bender/Hield when it comes to measurables/projectable NBA skill set Really flashing his driving skills, consistently initiating and finishing through contact
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lf2RtW-usA[/youtube]

[Saberestar]

Yeah, in my opinon Ingram is the best prospect in this draft. One year younger than Simmons and has all the tools to be an All Star in a few years, his upside is huge. Simmons character/shooting put him an step behind him.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, in my opinon Ingram is the best prospect in this draft. One year younger than Simmons and has all the tools to be an All Star in a few years, his upside is huge. Simmons character/shooting put him an step behind him.

It's funny, at the beginning of the year I never thought Simmons' character would be an issue....from the very post in this thread..

Simmons, now 18, will be the most scrutinized freshman in the country when he takes the court this fall, and by far the biggest star the LSU men's basketball program has seen since Shaq.

But Simmons appears uniquely positioned to handle all of it, and handle it well — the pressure that comes along with carrying a program, the bull's eye on his back, the lead-up to potentially being the top pick in next year's NBA draft. His Aussie roots and his American basketball experiences have blended to create a 6-foot-10 selfless, yet utterly dominant basketball player. And his deep family ties have grounded him throughout all of it.

"You don't want to put the whammy on him by comparing him to Magic Johnson and LeBron and Tracy McGrady, but he's going to be a positionless star," says ESPN analyst Fran Fraschilla, who leads the network's international basketball coverage. "You're going to be able to put him on the court anywhere essentially at LSU, and he's going to be successful. He is a quintessential point forward. He's going to be Johnny Jones' coach on the floor. He's a marvelous talent, excellent athlete, great basketball instincts.

"It would be absolutely stunning to me, barring injury, if he's not the No. 1 pick in 2016."......


.....Simmons decision to spurn NCAA championship contenders for LSU did not surprise those close to him.

"Ben's a little crazy in that Ben doesn't want to play with the quote-unquote top five players in the country and win a championship," Liam Simmons says. "He wants to play with good players, in their right great players, and go out and beat the Kentuckys and the Dukes, the North Carolinas of the world. He'd love nothing more than to go into Kentucky and beat them … rather than go to Kentucky and win a championship because that's expected."

"I don't see why we can't be the best team in the SEC," he says. "Kentucky has good players but we have good players, too. It depends what leaders you have, who can lead. Me going to LSU is huge because I have to be a freshman and lead. I could have gone to Kentucky and been one of the other guys just playing there and trying to leave.

"For me, though, I want to leave a legacy — and that's at LSU."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2015/06/19/ben-simmons-lsu-basketball-nba-guard-forward-recruit/71257494/

[bwgood77]

Poll results (40 votes) for poll on our first pick:

If we don't get top 2, who would you want to take?

Bender 18 45%
Brown 10 25%
Dunn 7 18%
Ellenson 1 3%
Murray 4 10%

I think we probably would have had a vote or two for Hield as well if he was there.

Now changing poll for Washington pick.

[JMac1]

Spoiler:

I didn't say I didn't like nbadraft.net..I was saying I do like it. As much as you talk about age you certainly seem to act like a child as much as anyone here.

I am unsure who you think my poster boy is. I do like guys in position of need that can shoot like Chriss and Bender because they make sense for our team. And I and many others are well aware that you like all these guards.

Why is that everyone's go to line? I expect better than that from you. There was some cynicism in my post of course, but childish? Wow!

Just pointing out how difficult (or easy) it is for a lot of people to ignore what a player does and make excuses like, he is older; and the other guys has more potential to nullify the obvious, what they do on the court. It is just refreshing to see that everyone doesn't do that.

But go ahead label me childish because I made a salient point that you disagree with, that pretty common on RealGm.

Probably people's immediate go to line because that is how they feel so it immediately comes to mind.

But I always find it funny that you point out age because until once you mentioned your wife in a post I thought you were really young. I meant to point out that irony before.

But regardless, everyone can post in a classy or respectful manner regardless of age.

Anyway, it's like comparing a hs senior coveted by a bunch of people in college to a junior or senior in college that were not all that special or highly ranked for several years out of college. It is more purely based on need and upside though.

Probably people's immediate go to line because that is how they feel so it immediately comes to mind.

Again, I wouldn't expect you to do such a thing, considering that is a sign of lacking impulse control and petty IMO, especially when you know that I am not a child. What was the point of that passive aggressive comment?

But I always find it funny that you point out age because until once you mentioned your wife in a post I thought you were really young. I meant to point out that irony before.

I point out age and experience when it comes to providing a POV not judging behavior. This is a message board where people argue, debate, and discuss sports, of course dialogue can become vitriolic, bombastic, facetious, subjective, and put people in a state of pure denial; that is typical of sport arguments age be damned, at least my experience, turn on First Take. I can imagine how old you would think Steve A and Skip Bayless were if they just posted their thoughts on Realgm under a pseudonym or Bill O'Riley and any other national TV personality that provides commentary and POV's. I love it when posters become indignant and act as if this board is a black jacket affair when debating sports, that's hilarious; then using that as an excuse for assuming someone is younger, versus the actual assumption being made on the age group that frequents these types of forums (first reason why I assume a posters age, then go from there) and the CONTENT of their post, but that is typical of someone who passes judgment and classifying behavior and deny that they do it, then through irrational rationalization, void themselves of all accountability when they are wrong......happens way too frequently.

I know you are going to go all semantics on me and say things like First Take is different and blah blah blah, that is what I expect, but I just what to call you out on your undermining posts. You did it twice too. Bringing up how old you thought I was by mentioning my wife is too much. You should not respond with "I find it funny," if you want to be mature and have the ear of someone, but maybe that wasn't your intent, who knows?

And how is it ironic that you thought I was young? Does that put me at fault or you? Because you miss interpret my age based on what you think or believe to be age appropriate for an online discussion thus makes irony is again hilarious and arrogant to the fullest. But that's cool, doesn't bother me.

Cheers

I still don't believe in drafting Euros that haven't started nor dominated the Euro leagues or international play. I trust players from the NCAA, but that's just me. I'd take Bender, but prefer one of the guards, and I am glad that the Draftepress people appear to be from Missouri..........Show me mutha Effer (oops, only a teenager would say that, not a married man)!

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Again, I wouldn't expect you to do such a thing, considering that is a sign of lacking impulse control and petty IMO, especially when you know that I am not a child. What was the point of that passive aggressive comment?

But I always find it funny that you point out age because until once you mentioned your wife in a post I thought you were really young. I meant to point out that irony before.

I point out age and experience when it comes to providing a POV not judging behavior. This is a message board where people argue, debate, and discuss sports, of course dialogue can become vitriolic, bombastic, facetious, subjective, and put people in a state of pure denial; that is typical of sport arguments age be damned, at least my experience, turn on First Take. I can imagine how old you would think Steve A and Skip Bayless were if they just posted their thoughts on Realgm under a pseudonym or Bill O'Riley and any other national TV personality that provides commentary and POV's. I love it when posters become indignant and act as if this board is a black jacket affair when debating sports, that's hilarious; then using that as an excuse for assuming someone is younger, versus the actual assumption being made on the age group that frequents these types of forums (first reason why I assume a posters age, then go from there) and the CONTENT of their post, but that is typical of someone who passes judgment and classifying behavior and deny that they do it, then through irrational rationalization, void themselves of all accountability when they are wrong......happens way too frequently.

I know you are going to go all semantics on me and say things like First Take is different and blah blah blah, that is what I expect, but I just what to call you out on your undermining posts. You did it twice too. Bringing up how old you thought I was by mentioning my wife is too much. You should not respond with "I find it funny," if you want to be mature and have the ear of someone, but maybe that wasn't your intent, who knows?

And how is it ironic that you thought I was young? Does that put me at fault or you? Because you miss interpret my age based on what you think or believe to be age appropriate for an online discussion thus makes irony is again hilarious and arrogant to the fullest. But that's cool, doesn't bother me.

Cheers

I still don't believe in drafting Euros that haven't started nor dominated the Euro leagues or international play. I trust players from the NCAA, but that's just me. I'd take Bender, but prefer one of the guards, and I am glad that the Draftepress people appear to be from Missouri..........Show me mutha Effer (oops, only a teenager would say that, not a married man)!

To the first part, I've thought about mentioning that many times before but exercised impulse control. And I mention that what you call "people's go to line" is a response to you FIRST calling them young while at the same time saying so in a childish manner.

I watch it happen time and time again (in the last few months), and mentioning it now is because it is quite repetitive that you get engaged in a high school-ish level of argument and on top of that, you start calling people childish.

"bwgood doesn't like proven guards because of his poster boy" isn't a valid or reasonable statement or argument. I've mentioned I like Dunn. I also like Hield. But I also know we are loaded at the guard position right now and we have a glaring hole at PF. I don't even mind playing small, but even if we are able to trade Knight and Archie, we still have Bledsoe, Booker, Bogdan, Warren to play the 3, etc, and the league is full of guards, so they have slightly less value in my mind than bigs, particularly when your team is full of guards and lacking a PF.

About your long second thought, no one is at fault and I think age is irrelevant. I think it is likely many people wonder how old others are.

However, I've only seen one person here point out time and time again that someone must be young in a way that appears they are insinuating that person is less educated or something.

Also, btw, I thought about pointing out how I thought you were younger before, typed it up and everything (and this was LONG ago (when I thought you were younger, when I wasn't around as much), and it certainly wasn't because I thought less of you as a poster at that time or anything) but I never posted that I used to think that because I started thinking you might take it the wrong way.

[MathiasPW]

As long as discussions are about basketball, they are fun.

As soon as they become about posters or posts, not so much anymore.

Except when we make fun of each other, cause that's always fun

Just my two cents.

[bwgood77]

As long as discussions are about basketball, they are fun.

As soon as they become about posters or posts, not so much anymore.

Except when we make fun of each other, cause that's always fun

Just my two cents.

What about your thread about improving quality of posts? Just kidding.

I agree.

No one likes to read long arguments.

On another note, I realized I forgot Sabonis on the new poll so it has reset to zero, so whoever voted for Chriss the first time (only vote that was there), can revote.

[MathiasPW]

As long as discussions are about basketball, they are fun.

As soon as they become about posters or posts, not so much anymore.

Except when we make fun of each other, cause that's always fun

Just my two cents.

What about your thread about improving quality of posts? Just kidding.

I agree.

No one likes to read long arguments.

On another note, I realized I forgot Sabonis on the new poll so it has reset to zero, so whoever voted for Chriss the first time (only vote that was there), can revote.

That was another me.

To be honest I don't really remember what I suggested, but the general idea was to reduce unnecessary negativity and create incentives to keep/bring good posters.

[Saberestar]

Those players on the poll...it is a tough question.

It is really difficult to select on of them. My three favourites are Rabb, Davis and Luwawu.

In Rabb I see the highest potential, he can be much more than a role player.

Davis is intriguing, but he did not play so many minutes per game and he seems a role player at best. A good one (like Henson or even Ibaka) but not a go-to guy/ All Star. Just an impression, obviously I can be wrong.

Luwawu seems like a player with great potential to me, reminds me of Batum. Can be a good option if we select a big with our first pick.

[saintEscaton]

With the Cavs pick we should target the Croats, Zizic/Zubac as Eurostash centers to eventually replace Chandler/give Len competition. Juancho would be a steal there if he’s available. With our second rounder we should look at Trimble/Ulis/Gary Payton III to run our second unit, we need a proper back up PG once we dump the Knightmare and Archie definitely isn’t the answer

[kennydorglas]

i'm almost 100% sure we're going to draft Ullis

[JMac1]

Spoiler:

Again, I wouldn't expect you to do such a thing, considering that is a sign of lacking impulse control and petty IMO, especially when you know that I am not a child. What was the point of that passive aggressive comment?

But I always find it funny that you point out age because until once you mentioned your wife in a post I thought you were really young. I meant to point out that irony before.

I point out age and experience when it comes to providing a POV not judging behavior. This is a message board where people argue, debate, and discuss sports, of course dialogue can become vitriolic, bombastic, facetious, subjective, and put people in a state of pure denial; that is typical of sport arguments age be damned, at least my experience, turn on First Take. I can imagine how old you would think Steve A and Skip Bayless were if they just posted their thoughts on Realgm under a pseudonym or Bill O'Riley and any other national TV personality that provides commentary and POV's. I love it when posters become indignant and act as if this board is a black jacket affair when debating sports, that's hilarious; then using that as an excuse for assuming someone is younger, versus the actual assumption being made on the age group that frequents these types of forums (first reason why I assume a posters age, then go from there) and the CONTENT of their post, but that is typical of someone who passes judgment and classifying behavior and deny that they do it, then through irrational rationalization, void themselves of all accountability when they are wrong......happens way too frequently.

I know you are going to go all semantics on me and say things like First Take is different and blah blah blah, that is what I expect, but I just what to call you out on your undermining posts. You did it twice too. Bringing up how old you thought I was by mentioning my wife is too much. You should not respond with "I find it funny," if you want to be mature and have the ear of someone, but maybe that wasn't your intent, who knows?

And how is it ironic that you thought I was young? Does that put me at fault or you? Because you miss interpret my age based on what you think or believe to be age appropriate for an online discussion thus makes irony is again hilarious and arrogant to the fullest. But that's cool, doesn't bother me.

Cheers

I still don't believe in drafting Euros that haven't started nor dominated the Euro leagues or international play. I trust players from the NCAA, but that's just me. I'd take Bender, but prefer one of the guards, and I am glad that the Draftepress people appear to be from Missouri..........Show me mutha Effer (oops, only a teenager would say that, not a married man)!

To the first part, I've thought about mentioning that many times before but exercised impulse control. And I mention that what you call "people's go to line" is a response to you FIRST calling them young while at the same time saying so in a childish manner.

I watch it happen time and time again (in the last few months), and mentioning it now is because it is quite repetitive that you get engaged in a high school-ish level of argument and on top of that, you start calling people childish.

"bwgood doesn't like proven guards because of his poster boy" isn't a valid or reasonable statement or argument. I've mentioned I like Dunn. I also like Hield. But I also know we are loaded at the guard position right now and we have a glaring hole at PF. I don't even mind playing small, but even if we are able to trade Knight and Archie, we still have Bledsoe, Booker, Bogdan, Warren to play the 3, etc, and the league is full of guards, so they have slightly less value in my mind than bigs, particularly when your team is full of guards and lacking a PF.

About your long second thought, no one is at fault and I think age is irrelevant. I think it is likely many people wonder how old others are.

However, I've only seen one person here point out time and time again that someone must be young in a way that appears they are insinuating that person is less educated or something.

Also, btw, I thought about pointing out how I thought you were younger before, typed it up and everything (and this was LONG ago (when I thought you were younger, when I wasn't around as much), and it certainly wasn't because I thought less of you as a poster at that time or anything) but I never posted that I used to think that because I started thinking you might take it the wrong way.

"bwgood doesn't like proven guards because of his poster boy" isn't a valid or reasonable statement or argument. I've mentioned I like Dunn. I also like Hield. But I also know we are loaded at the guard position right now and we have a glaring hole at PF.

That means you place the guards behind Bender; is that not true? I really have to say BW prefers to pick Bender over the guards because he likes Bender better overall and we need a PF? Come on, the point is, if not for Bender you'd be happy with one of the guards........

Bender is your poster boy, means he is your guy.

Poster Boy: a person who appears on a poster 2.
a person who typifies or represents a particular characteristic, cause, opinion, etc: a


To everything else you posted,

1. I guess I have to learn the rules of sports arguing decorum for adults.
2. Please quote me calling someone childish where I initiated the word. I never use that word to label or describe someone. If you find it, I will band myself for a month!

[JMac1]

Watch us win the draft because we all anticipate picking 4-6! I am calling it now.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Again, I wouldn't expect you to do such a thing, considering that is a sign of lacking impulse control and petty IMO, especially when you know that I am not a child. What was the point of that passive aggressive comment?



I point out age and experience when it comes to providing a POV not judging behavior. This is a message board where people argue, debate, and discuss sports, of course dialogue can become vitriolic, bombastic, facetious, subjective, and put people in a state of pure denial; that is typical of sport arguments age be damned, at least my experience, turn on First Take. I can imagine how old you would think Steve A and Skip Bayless were if they just posted their thoughts on Realgm under a pseudonym or Bill O'Riley and any other national TV personality that provides commentary and POV's. I love it when posters become indignant and act as if this board is a black jacket affair when debating sports, that's hilarious; then using that as an excuse for assuming someone is younger, versus the actual assumption being made on the age group that frequents these types of forums (first reason why I assume a posters age, then go from there) and the CONTENT of their post, but that is typical of someone who passes judgment and classifying behavior and deny that they do it, then through irrational rationalization, void themselves of all accountability when they are wrong......happens way too frequently.

I know you are going to go all semantics on me and say things like First Take is different and blah blah blah, that is what I expect, but I just what to call you out on your undermining posts. You did it twice too. Bringing up how old you thought I was by mentioning my wife is too much. You should not respond with "I find it funny," if you want to be mature and have the ear of someone, but maybe that wasn't your intent, who knows?

And how is it ironic that you thought I was young? Does that put me at fault or you? Because you miss interpret my age based on what you think or believe to be age appropriate for an online discussion thus makes irony is again hilarious and arrogant to the fullest. But that's cool, doesn't bother me.

Cheers

I still don't believe in drafting Euros that haven't started nor dominated the Euro leagues or international play. I trust players from the NCAA, but that's just me. I'd take Bender, but prefer one of the guards, and I am glad that the Draftepress people appear to be from Missouri..........Show me mutha Effer (oops, only a teenager would say that, not a married man)!

To the first part, I've thought about mentioning that many times before but exercised impulse control. And I mention that what you call "people's go to line" is a response to you FIRST calling them young while at the same time saying so in a childish manner.

I watch it happen time and time again (in the last few months), and mentioning it now is because it is quite repetitive that you get engaged in a high school-ish level of argument and on top of that, you start calling people childish.

"bwgood doesn't like proven guards because of his poster boy" isn't a valid or reasonable statement or argument. I've mentioned I like Dunn. I also like Hield. But I also know we are loaded at the guard position right now and we have a glaring hole at PF. I don't even mind playing small, but even if we are able to trade Knight and Archie, we still have Bledsoe, Booker, Bogdan, Warren to play the 3, etc, and the league is full of guards, so they have slightly less value in my mind than bigs, particularly when your team is full of guards and lacking a PF.

About your long second thought, no one is at fault and I think age is irrelevant. I think it is likely many people wonder how old others are.

However, I've only seen one person here point out time and time again that someone must be young in a way that appears they are insinuating that person is less educated or something.

Also, btw, I thought about pointing out how I thought you were younger before, typed it up and everything (and this was LONG ago (when I thought you were younger, when I wasn't around as much), and it certainly wasn't because I thought less of you as a poster at that time or anything) but I never posted that I used to think that because I started thinking you might take it the wrong way.

"bwgood doesn't like proven guards because of his poster boy" isn't a valid or reasonable statement or argument. I've mentioned I like Dunn. I also like Hield. But I also know we are loaded at the guard position right now and we have a glaring hole at PF.

That means you place the guards behind Bender; is that not true? I really have to say BW prefers to pick Bender over the guards because he likes Bender better overall and we need a PF? Come on, the point is, if not for Bender you'd be happy with one of the guards........

Bender is your poster boy, means he is your guy.

Poster Boy: a person who appears on a poster 2.
a person who typifies or represents a particular characteristic, cause, opinion, etc: a


To everything else you posted,

1. I guess I have to learn the rules of sports arguing decorum for adults.
2. Please quote me calling someone childish where I initiated the word. I never use that word to label or describe someone. If you find it, I will band myself for a month!

Lets just stop whatever argument you are trying to make that doesn't have to do with basketball. It is pointless for me to engage.

As far as the draft goes, I will say Bender is not better than the guards right now. I will also say there are two reasons I'd rather go with him. I think although the guards have a higher floor, Bender has a higher ceiling, and in addition to that, he fits a need for our team.

In addition to the most reputable draft sites placing Bender higher than the guards (so it's not just me...perhaps I trust real scouts moreso than you), we also have a dire need at PF and not a need at guard.

I mean the scouts' rankings are pure rankings not even considering what the Suns' perspective would be and how loaded they are at guard already.

[saintEscaton]

Demetrius Jackson is an absolute beast, won the game for ND with two consecutive baskets and a steal to wrap it up in crunchtime

[bwgood77]

Demetrius Jackson is an absolute beast, won the game for ND with two consecutive baskets and a steal to wrap it up in crunchtime

I thought about putting him and maybe Valentine and Baldwin in the current poll. Would you take him over the bigs with the Detroit pick?

[JMac1]

Lets just stop whatever argument you are trying to make that doesn't have to do with basketball. It is pointless for me to engage.

Ditto

[Mulhollanddrive]

A 3rd / 4th year players' stats are unlikely to improve against NBA opposition compared to college kids.

Jackson is a 15 / 4 player who shoots 33% from 3.

[ATTL]

I'm thinking Chriss is going to shoot up to the mid-lottery after the combine and workouts. He really would look good catching lobs from book.

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