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Post#1401 » by letsgosuns » Sun May 15, 2016 12:16 am

dremill24 wrote:I think the point isn't so much to copy their exact blueprint as it is to find front court players with defensive versatility, which if you don't think is important then you're just lost.


Getting versatile front court players that can defend as the article suggests is what every team in basketball tries to do. That is nothing new and certainly not a blueprint. This is what I have a problem with:

"Like Phoenix did with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, the Blazers built their identity around two attacking point guards in Damian Lillard and Most Improved Player C.J. McCollum."

"Yes, Portland provided proof the Suns’ model isn’t a failed experiment. There was also proof two ball-dominant point guards can play alongside — and sometimes at the same time as — a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe or, for Phoenix, Devin Booker. Like the Blazers, the Suns could be able to roll with three guards in stints, and it may not take Suns coach Earl Watson to draw from Stotts’ genius to make it happen."

Later on the author says:

"The Suns would be keen to copy the blueprint of what exactly to piece around a guard-oriented system that should remain in place no matter how Watson handles a complex group that will include some combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Archie Goodwin and perhaps Bogdan Bogdanovic."


Uhh did the Blazers win the title? No. Did they win 60+ games? No. Did they even win more games than the Dragic/Bledsoe Suns team? No. The Suns have proven for three straight years it is a failed experiment. The Blazers did nothing more than the 2013-14 Suns team. You want to follow the blueprint of a 44 win team? This is insane.

This writer says the two-point guard system should remain place with the slew of mediocre guards the Suns have. He claims it is successful because of what the Blazers just did. What does he consider success? Beating a injury-riddled Clippers team? Winning one game out of five versus the Warriors when Curry misses the first four games? It is a joke.

He also downplays what Booker is to the Suns and calls him a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe. Booker to the Suns is what Lillard is the Blazers. Booker is not a secondary option, stand at the three point line all game long player. He is a run the offense through him player.

I would much rather follow the blueprint of the Warriors. That team is a guard-dominated offense but guess what, they have a defined point guard and defined shooting guard that are 6'3" and 6'7". They do not have two ball-dominating point guards that are both about the same height. In addition, they do not have just some random versatile defending big guys. They have a top three power forward in the league in Draymond Green and arguably the best defensive center in the league in Bogut. That is a hell of a lot more than guys like Plumlee and Davis.

This makes me wonder what has happened to fans expectations of the Suns. You seriously want the Suns to be like the current Blazers? What? You want the benchmark to be 44 wins and lose in the first or second round? Not me. I want a championship. And if the Suns build a team like this article suggests, that will be their team. 40 something wins and an early playoff exit. Count me out of wanting a blueprint like that.

I cannot believe someone wrote an article that says hey, let's follow the blueprint of a loser! I guarantee you that the Blazers would not even follow what this article says. On the first moment of free agency, the Blazers will probably be on the phone with Whiteside or Horford and offer them max contracts because they know it is impossible to win a title the way this article says to build a team.
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Post#1402 » by thamadkant » Sun May 15, 2016 1:44 am

The Blazers are actually a team built similarly to the Warriors of 2 years ago.
Except their shooters arent as good as Warriors (Curry and Thompson) and their wingmen and big men rotation arent as honed in offensively.
But basically guard oriented offense with versatile 3,4,5 position players who can shift up or down defensively.

If they kept Batum, they would of been better.
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Post#1403 » by Qwigglez » Sun May 15, 2016 3:40 am

dantley4prez wrote:straight up: Portland got on a roll around the same time that Bledsoe went down for the season. coincidence? i think not so much.


You're saying the Monstars stole the Suns talent and gave it to the Blazers the night that Bledsoe got injured!?

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Post#1404 » by 8on » Sun May 15, 2016 3:54 am

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dantley4prez wrote:straight up: Portland got on a roll around the same time that Bledsoe went down for the season. coincidence? i think not so much.


You're saying the Monstars stole the Suns talent and gave it to the Blazers the night that Bledsoe got injured!?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeII9xkTnw[/youtube]


I'm saying that when we were healthy, we were kicking their asses. Our record was better than theirs.

When Bled went down, their record was suddenly much better, and they were kicking our asses.
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Post#1405 » by jcsunsfan » Sun May 15, 2016 6:00 am

Looks like the Laker pick is for sale if philly ends up with it.

Knight, and 13?


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Post#1406 » by MrMiyagi » Sun May 15, 2016 8:03 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Looks like the Laker pick is for sale if philly ends up with it.

Knight, and 13?


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Post#1407 » by Frank Lee » Sun May 15, 2016 8:21 am

I'd like McMully to use all the picks with the latter ones being draft and stash. Bogdan will likely stay in Euro to sign a better deal next yr anyway... it would be a plus to have a couple of those euro bigs waiting in the wings, developing their games. There is a slew of them.
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Post#1408 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun May 15, 2016 1:51 pm

I'd do Knight and 13 for 5 in a 2017 draft scenario.

Not sure there's much difference in risk-reward with Brown/Dunn (DraftExpress 4/5) compared to Luwawu/Chriss (DraftExpress 12/13) though.
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Post#1409 » by Bogyo » Sun May 15, 2016 2:23 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I'd do Knight and 13 for 5 in a 2017 draft scenario.

Not sure there's much difference in risk-reward with Brown/Dunn (DraftExpress 4/5) compared to Luwawu/Chriss (DraftExpress 12/13) though.


I'd do it just to get rid of his salary - which won't look ugly at all after this years free agency. It's just that he is not good for us, or the development of our team in my opinion. Tried, failed, if we can get out and gain the 5th pick instead of the 13th I'm all for it. Heck, I might even throw in our 2nd rounder as well, if thats what it takes, as we don't want to have that many rookies.
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Post#1410 » by Djedefre » Sun May 15, 2016 2:26 pm

Absolutely. If the idea for the next season is do or die playoffs campaign, there's no need for more than one rookie knowing that we'll pursue a few mediocre FA's along with some trade for yet another mediocre 'not making the difference' player. At least we should try to grab 2017 pick(s) in the process to have something to build on after another silly attempt to be over night competitive turns into dust.
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Post#1411 » by MathiasPW » Sun May 15, 2016 2:44 pm

Doesn't Knight for pick hit some sort of salary matching impediment?
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Post#1412 » by Qwigglez » Sun May 15, 2016 3:17 pm

MathiasPW wrote:Doesn't Knight for pick hit some sort of salary matching impediment?


I think if the team can absorb the contract then it shouldn't matter. I'm not a salary cap guru but I think most teams will have a ton of money to spend on free agency and since the free agency pool is relatively small, teams might be willing to just take on Knight instead of overpaying for such and such player. Honestly, I think we are in a good position, Knight might actually have some kind of value, doubt he's worth a lottery pick but then again do the Kings really want to overpay for an aged 30 year old veteran in Rondo? Do the Grizzlies overpay for Conley? Does Chicago really want to rebuild or retool?

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Post#1413 » by BobbieL » Sun May 15, 2016 4:36 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that three free agents besides Durant the Suns are looking at are Batum, Horford, and Barnes. He mentioned the Suns are really interested in getting a small forward and power forward. He also said that for Barnes it would most likely be a sign and trade since Barnes is a restricted free agent.

Idk how I feel about this. I have never been a Horford fan but maybe he could benefit playing next to real centers like Chandler and Len. He also can hit threes so that is obviously good. Batum is a good player but I have never been a big fan of his either. Barnes is a good player too but how would he fare on a team that is not the Warriors. Would any of these players consider the Suns anyway?

I think all three of those guys will get maxed out by some team. That is how it will probably be for every player this coming offseason. Is it really worth it for the Suns to max out one of or maybe even two of Batum, Horford, or Barnes? At this point, who knows. The money really does not matter that much anymore because the cap is rising every year and you have to spend money somehow. It is imperative the Suns get more talented just so they can at least become a competitive team again. I certainly would be interested in something like a sign and trade of Knight and Tucker for Batum. This way the Suns cap space does not change much and they clear the logjam at point guard. Although I am sure who they target in free agency hinges on where their draft pick ends up and who they draft.


Two things: I heard the same report from Gambo and my thoughts after he "made some calls, talked to his sources"

1) Gambo has been less correct under Ryan McD than under previous years with the Suns

2) about the Barnes -- Gambo only said it like 6 times in a 10 minute segment. Literally, he must have said "Harrison Barnes Restricted Free Agent Sign & Trade" in some form five or six times.

Of the three, Barnes makes the most sense but is there still room for Warren
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Post#1414 » by saintEscaton » Sun May 15, 2016 6:30 pm

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dremill24 wrote:I think the point isn't so much to copy their exact blueprint as it is to find front court players with defensive versatility, which if you don't think is important then you're just lost.


Getting versatile front court players that can defend as the article suggests is what every team in basketball tries to do. That is nothing new and certainly not a blueprint. This is what I have a problem with:

"Like Phoenix did with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, the Blazers built their identity around two attacking point guards in Damian Lillard and Most Improved Player C.J. McCollum."

"Yes, Portland provided proof the Suns’ model isn’t a failed experiment. There was also proof two ball-dominant point guards can play alongside — and sometimes at the same time as — a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe or, for Phoenix, Devin Booker. Like the Blazers, the Suns could be able to roll with three guards in stints, and it may not take Suns coach Earl Watson to draw from Stotts’ genius to make it happen."

Later on the author says:

"The Suns would be keen to copy the blueprint of what exactly to piece around a guard-oriented system that should remain in place no matter how Watson handles a complex group that will include some combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Archie Goodwin and perhaps Bogdan Bogdanovic."

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Uhh did the Blazers win the title? No. Did they win 60+ games? No. Did they even win more games than the Dragic/Bledsoe Suns team? No. The Suns have proven for three straight years it is a failed experiment. The Blazers did nothing more than the 2013-14 Suns team. You want to follow the blueprint of a 44 win team? This is insane.

This writer says the two-point guard system should remain place with the slew of mediocre guards the Suns have. He claims it is successful because of what the Blazers just did. What does he consider success? Beating a injury-riddled Clippers team? Winning one game out of five versus the Warriors when Curry misses the first four games? It is a joke.

He also downplays what Booker is to the Suns and calls him a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe. Booker to the Suns is what Lillard is the Blazers. Booker is not a secondary option, stand at the three point line all game long player. He is a run the offense through him player.

I would much rather follow the blueprint of the Warriors. That team is a guard-dominated offense but guess what, they have a defined point guard and defined shooting guard that are 6'3" and 6'7". They do not have two ball-dominating point guards that are both about the same height. In addition, they do not have just some random versatile defending big guys. They have a top three power forward in the league in Draymond Green and arguably the best defensive center in the league in Bogut. That is a hell of a lot more than guys like Plumlee and Davis.

This makes me wonder what has happened to fans expectations of the Suns. You seriously want the Suns to be like the current Blazers? What? You want the benchmark to be 44 wins and lose in the first or second round? Not me. I want a championship. And if the Suns build a team like this article suggests, that will be their team. 40 something wins and an early playoff exit. Count me out of wanting a blueprint like that.

I cannot believe someone wrote an article that says hey, let's follow the blueprint of a loser! I guarantee you that the Blazers would not even follow what this article says. On the first moment of free agency, the Blazers will probably be on the phone with Whiteside or Horford and offer them max contracts because they know it is impossible to win a title the way this article says to build a team.


This is the most ridiclous post I've read on this board, and I usually agree with your extreme opinions LGS. This is why some of you need your bubbles burst. Booker is not even comparable to Dame at this point of his career, get back to me in a couple of years to determine whether he is the second coming of Brandon Roy. The Blazers blew out the Dubs once and played them tight when Steph returned. I'm sure Olshey is on the hot seat and considering letting Stotts go because of such a disappointing performance where they made all the pundits eat crow for saying they would be a cellar dweller after losing 3 starters in the offseason. They are far from a finished product but what they have is a formula for sustainable success unlike our fool gold '13 season. Anyways you are grossly oversimplifying what the Dubs do, you can't beat them at their own game they will run any team out of the gum and get back on the other end time in time. They have interchangeable 3&D personnel on both sides of the ball giving them so many small ball/death squad lineup combinations and Kerr's marraige of the SSOL, triangle and Spurs motion weak/strong offenses
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Post#1415 » by saintEscaton » Sun May 15, 2016 6:37 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:straight up: Portland got on a roll around the same time that Bledsoe went down for the season. coincidence? i think not so much.


You're saying the Monstars stole the Suns talent and gave it to the Blazers the night that Bledsoe got injured!?

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I'm saying that when we were healthy, we were kicking their asses. Our record was better than theirs.

When Bled went down, their record was suddenly much better, and they were kicking our asses.


Wrong, Blazers were 14-20 the day after Bledsoe went down, we were 12-19 under his helm. We beat them on a back to back to open the season but of course they were still figuring things out and developing chemistry
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Post#1416 » by darealjuice » Sun May 15, 2016 6:44 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
You're saying the Monstars stole the Suns talent and gave it to the Blazers the night that Bledsoe got injured!?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeII9xkTnw[/youtube]


I'm saying that when we were healthy, we were kicking their asses. Our record was better than theirs.

When Bled went down, their record was suddenly much better, and they were kicking our asses.


Wrong, Blazers were 14-20 the day after Bledsoe went down, we were 12-19 under his helm. We beat them on a back to back to open the season but of course they were still figuring things out and developing chemistry


Like we weren't still figuring things out and developing chemistry too. Bledsoe and Knight had barely played together at that point, and we were playing with a lethargic starting power forward who didn't even want to be here.
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Post#1417 » by letsgosuns » Sun May 15, 2016 7:22 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
dremill24 wrote:I think the point isn't so much to copy their exact blueprint as it is to find front court players with defensive versatility, which if you don't think is important then you're just lost.


Getting versatile front court players that can defend as the article suggests is what every team in basketball tries to do. That is nothing new and certainly not a blueprint. This is what I have a problem with:

"Like Phoenix did with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, the Blazers built their identity around two attacking point guards in Damian Lillard and Most Improved Player C.J. McCollum."

"Yes, Portland provided proof the Suns’ model isn’t a failed experiment. There was also proof two ball-dominant point guards can play alongside — and sometimes at the same time as — a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe or, for Phoenix, Devin Booker. Like the Blazers, the Suns could be able to roll with three guards in stints, and it may not take Suns coach Earl Watson to draw from Stotts’ genius to make it happen."

Later on the author says:

"The Suns would be keen to copy the blueprint of what exactly to piece around a guard-oriented system that should remain in place no matter how Watson handles a complex group that will include some combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Archie Goodwin and perhaps Bogdan Bogdanovic."

Comp

Uhh did the Blazers win the title? No. Did they win 60+ games? No. Did they even win more games than the Dragic/Bledsoe Suns team? No. The Suns have proven for three straight years it is a failed experiment. The Blazers did nothing more than the 2013-14 Suns team. You want to follow the blueprint of a 44 win team? This is insane.

This writer says the two-point guard system should remain place with the slew of mediocre guards the Suns have. He claims it is successful because of what the Blazers just did. What does he consider success? Beating a injury-riddled Clippers team? Winning one game out of five versus the Warriors when Curry misses the first four games? It is a joke.

He also downplays what Booker is to the Suns and calls him a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe. Booker to the Suns is what Lillard is the Blazers. Booker is not a secondary option, stand at the three point line all game long player. He is a run the offense through him player.

I would much rather follow the blueprint of the Warriors. That team is a guard-dominated offense but guess what, they have a defined point guard and defined shooting guard that are 6'3" and 6'7". They do not have two ball-dominating point guards that are both about the same height. In addition, they do not have just some random versatile defending big guys. They have a top three power forward in the league in Draymond Green and arguably the best defensive center in the league in Bogut. That is a hell of a lot more than guys like Plumlee and Davis.

This makes me wonder what has happened to fans expectations of the Suns. You seriously want the Suns to be like the current Blazers? What? You want the benchmark to be 44 wins and lose in the first or second round? Not me. I want a championship. And if the Suns build a team like this article suggests, that will be their team. 40 something wins and an early playoff exit. Count me out of wanting a blueprint like that.

I cannot believe someone wrote an article that says hey, let's follow the blueprint of a loser! I guarantee you that the Blazers would not even follow what this article says. On the first moment of free agency, the Blazers will probably be on the phone with Whiteside or Horford and offer them max contracts because they know it is impossible to win a title the way this article says to build a team.


This is the most ridiclous post I've read on this board, and I usually agree with your extreme opinions LGS. This is why some of you need your bubbles burst. Booker is not even comparable to Dame at this point of his career, get back to me in a couple of years to determine whether he is the second coming of Brandon Roy. The Blazers blew out the Dubs once and played them tight when Steph returned. I'm sure Olshey is on the hot seat and considering letting Stotts go because of such a disappointing performance where they made all the pundits eat crow for saying they would be a cellar dweller after losing 3 starters in the offseason. They are far from a finished product but what they have is a formula for sustainable success unlike our fool gold '13 season. Anyways you are grossly oversimplifying what the Dubs do, you can't beat them at their own game they will run any team out of the gum and get back on the other end time in time. They have interchangeable 3&D personnel on both sides of the ball giving them so many small ball/death squad lineup combinations and Kerr's marraige of the SSOL, triangle and Spurs motion weak/strong offenses


I think you really misunderstood what I said. First off, I never said Booker was anywhere near Lillard right now. I said he is to the Suns what Lillard is to the Blazers. Their main guy. I was comparing roles on the team. This writer said Booker plays Crabbe's role and I completely disagree. The Phoenix Suns are making Booker the face of the franchise as a few articles have already stated. Crabbe is not the face of the Blazers franchise.

Secondly, I believe people are beyond overestimating what the Blazers are. I have seen it happen so many times. It happened with the 2003 Suns. Everyone saw the Suns take the Spurs to six games in the first round and thought Marbury, Marion, and Amare would eventually be a juggernaut. They came back to reality the next year and the team traded Marbury and Hardaway. The same thing happened with the 2013-14 Suns. They won 48 games and people thought they were so much better than they really were. It was a fluke.

Here is what I think of the Blazers. They are a good team. They have two excellent guards. Far better than what the Suns have. In fact, of the Suns guards, I only think Booker has the potential to be on Lillard's level one day. Anyway, what happened to them this year. They won 44 games. They made the playoffs. They were blown out in games one and two of their first round series. Annihilated. They won game three at home as they have one of the best home crowds in the NBA and always have. And when you have that, even mediocre teams can win at home against top teams. Then what happened. Paul and Griffin got hurt. Boom. End of the series. Over. Finished. All the Blazers had to do was show up and they win.

Then the Blazers face the Warriors without Curry the first four games. Go down 3-1. Are they competitive? Yes. But who cares. The Suns were very competitive in Golden State that one game towards the end of the season too. Knight went crazy in the third quarter and even Len had a great game. The Suns almost won that game and the Warriors had Curry and it was in Golden State. So does that make this Suns team close to accomplishing anything? No.

Let's assume for hypothetical purposes that Paul and Griffin did not get injured and the Blazers lose in the first round in five games. So 44 wins and a first round exit in five games is their season's result. Still want to follow their blueprint? Because the bottom line about their team is they won 44 games. That is more indicative of who they really are. Their second round appearance in the playoffs is predicated on the fact that they played a far better team that unfortunately suffered major injuries to its two star players.

Are the Blazers building something? Absolutely. As I mentioned previously, I think they should go after Whiteside and/or Horford. One of those guys plus another free agent could elevate them to elite status. Without that though, the Blazers will not go anywhere if all they have are role playing frontcourt players. You need way more than that. But that is what the article wants the Suns to do. Go after role playing big men to build the team as if that is the first step towards building winner. Newsflash. The Suns already have role playing big men. Chandler is the ultimate role playing defensive center. Former defensive player of the year. What the Suns are missing is all-stars. I said to use the blueprint of the Warriors in the sense the Suns should model their team after a champion, not the loser. How is that hard to understand. The author wants the Suns to follow a blueprint of a team that won 44 games and lost in the playoffs. If that is not ultimately the dumbest way to build your team, Idk what is.
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Post#1418 » by 8on » Sun May 15, 2016 7:36 pm

i stand corrected on our records. that said....

10/30/15 - healthy Phoenix 110, Portland 92
10/31/15 - Phoenix 101, Portland 90

i don't remember what was up with Tyson after we were 7-5, but he only played 20 something minutes in our 13th game. then he got hurt, and it was all downhill from there.

it is accurate to say that we were in Portland's ballpark up until Bled went down. after Bled went down, we weren't. i think the two events are directly related, but maybe i'm just a crazy kook.
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Post#1419 » by bwgood77 » Sun May 15, 2016 10:52 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I'd do Knight and 13 for 5 in a 2017 draft scenario.

Not sure there's much difference in risk-reward with Brown/Dunn (DraftExpress 4/5) compared to Luwawu/Chriss (DraftExpress 12/13) though.


If that # 5 is the original Lakers pick, there is no way McD would trade Knight and another lottery pick for the same pick he traded along with Ennis and Plumlee FOR Knight. He would like like a complete asshat then.
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letsgosuns wrote:
dremill24 wrote:I think the point isn't so much to copy their exact blueprint as it is to find front court players with defensive versatility, which if you don't think is important then you're just lost.


Getting versatile front court players that can defend as the article suggests is what every team in basketball tries to do. That is nothing new and certainly not a blueprint. This is what I have a problem with:

"Like Phoenix did with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, the Blazers built their identity around two attacking point guards in Damian Lillard and Most Improved Player C.J. McCollum."

"Yes, Portland provided proof the Suns’ model isn’t a failed experiment. There was also proof two ball-dominant point guards can play alongside — and sometimes at the same time as — a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe or, for Phoenix, Devin Booker. Like the Blazers, the Suns could be able to roll with three guards in stints, and it may not take Suns coach Earl Watson to draw from Stotts’ genius to make it happen."

Later on the author says:

"The Suns would be keen to copy the blueprint of what exactly to piece around a guard-oriented system that should remain in place no matter how Watson handles a complex group that will include some combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Archie Goodwin and perhaps Bogdan Bogdanovic."

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Uhh did the Blazers win the title? No. Did they win 60+ games? No. Did they even win more games than the Dragic/Bledsoe Suns team? No. The Suns have proven for three straight years it is a failed experiment. The Blazers did nothing more than the 2013-14 Suns team. You want to follow the blueprint of a 44 win team? This is insane.

This writer says the two-point guard system should remain place with the slew of mediocre guards the Suns have. He claims it is successful because of what the Blazers just did. What does he consider success? Beating a injury-riddled Clippers team? Winning one game out of five versus the Warriors when Curry misses the first four games? It is a joke.

He also downplays what Booker is to the Suns and calls him a silky-smooth gunner like Allen Crabbe. Booker to the Suns is what Lillard is the Blazers. Booker is not a secondary option, stand at the three point line all game long player. He is a run the offense through him player.

I would much rather follow the blueprint of the Warriors. That team is a guard-dominated offense but guess what, they have a defined point guard and defined shooting guard that are 6'3" and 6'7". They do not have two ball-dominating point guards that are both about the same height. In addition, they do not have just some random versatile defending big guys. They have a top three power forward in the league in Draymond Green and arguably the best defensive center in the league in Bogut. That is a hell of a lot more than guys like Plumlee and Davis.

This makes me wonder what has happened to fans expectations of the Suns. You seriously want the Suns to be like the current Blazers? What? You want the benchmark to be 44 wins and lose in the first or second round? Not me. I want a championship. And if the Suns build a team like this article suggests, that will be their team. 40 something wins and an early playoff exit. Count me out of wanting a blueprint like that.

I cannot believe someone wrote an article that says hey, let's follow the blueprint of a loser! I guarantee you that the Blazers would not even follow what this article says. On the first moment of free agency, the Blazers will probably be on the phone with Whiteside or Horford and offer them max contracts because they know it is impossible to win a title the way this article says to build a team.


This is the most ridiclous post I've read on this board, and I usually agree with your extreme opinions LGS. This is why some of you need your bubbles burst. Booker is not even comparable to Dame at this point of his career, get back to me in a couple of years to determine whether he is the second coming of Brandon Roy. The Blazers blew out the Dubs once and played them tight when Steph returned. I'm sure Olshey is on the hot seat and considering letting Stotts go because of such a disappointing performance where they made all the pundits eat crow for saying they would be a cellar dweller after losing 3 starters in the offseason. They are far from a finished product but what they have is a formula for sustainable success unlike our fool gold '13 season. Anyways you are grossly oversimplifying what the Dubs do, you can't beat them at their own game they will run any team out of the gum and get back on the other end time in time. They have interchangeable 3&D personnel on both sides of the ball giving them so many small ball/death squad lineup combinations and Kerr's marraige of the SSOL, triangle and Spurs motion weak/strong offenses


Plus they are super young as well, so they should only improve. Following the Warriors blue print is easier said than done too. Lets go out and find ourselves a Curry. Or lets follow the Bulls 96 team blue print.

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